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"R00fles", as ancient philosophers would have said.
Nidalee brings good sustain, attack speed steroid and safety (traps) pre-6, and after that also high burst damage and chasing potential. And in the bot lane CC is not as important as in solo lanes.
 

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Nidalee support sucks. She's even worse when teamfights start and she can't do shit to peel for the carry.
 

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Nidalee's kit as a support is a joke, if I want a support with high early damage and decent sustain, Sona brings more reliable harass as well wider variety of buffs (that can affect whole team) and one of the best ultimates in the game and great late game scaling for a support, in opposition to Nidalee who just becomes a heal bot if you don't snowball your lane.

Furthermore, Nidalee's heal on the latter levels becomes the least mana efficient skill in the game, even multitarget spells can be as efficient if they heal just one person. It also has poor synergy with secondary effect, heals in general work better with defensive buffs as it compliments the ability to save the target while offensive buffs are more effective if they are used at the start of engagement, before your health drops.

And in the bot lane CC is not as important as in solo lanes.
CC is one of the most important, if not the most important, aspect of supports kit.

1. In laning phase, the job of support is to protect the carry from aggressive plays, harrass, sustain and make kill-winning plays. Having CC is crucial for both saving carry's ass and securing kills.

2. Post laning phase, depending on your role in team, you'll either initiate or stay with carry and peel for him. You can't initiate without CC and peeling is very hard, in case of Nidalee it's limited to healing for pitiful 200hp.

3. Supports need to scale without having many items and having some sort of CC is one of the best ways to achieve that.
 

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You have to remember one thing, though. Nidalee's javelin toss has such crazy base damage that it can still take off loads of HP from people, even on support-budget if you buy auxiliary ap (evil tome, ice shard, dunno). This makes her very good for pokey comps if you can aim it properly, and have any idea how to play Nid, i.e. shoot from under the fog of war at weird angles.
 

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I'd rather have a spearkitty supporting than a healgoat :3
Soraka is the best. I was watching Doublelift over the weekend and he was screaming for his support to pick Soraka - Kog'maw instead of Janna - Kog'maw. He got his Soraka and proceeded to trounce his lane and carry the whole game. In that particular game, Soraka's silence was invaluable against Katarina. People also underestimate Soraka's passive, very nice against magic.
 

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People who say 'CC > everything else' are like young boys who discover masturbation and decide it's the best thing ever and that they gonna dedicate the rest of their lives to furiously jerking off.
Sure, it has quite good pleasure to effort ratio, but there's more in life than that.

@Jim-Cojones
I'm definitely not arguing that sona is bad support. But Nidalee has utilities that Sona lacks - long range poke/bush checker with spear, trap that lowers resistances and which can serve as miniward for small bushes, little heal with huge AS steroid, godly juking ability and decent burst in cougar.
And best part of Nidalee's heal is not the heal itself - it's the AS buff that gives huge damage increase for your ADC.
CC is one of the most important, if not the most important, aspect of supports kit.
1. In laning phase, the job of support is to protect the carry from aggressive plays, harrass, sustain and make kill-winning plays. Having CC is crucial for both saving carry's ass and securing kills.
2. Post laning phase, depending on your role in team, you'll either initiate or stay with carry and peel for him. You can't initiate without CC and peeling is very hard, in case of Nidalee it's limited to healing for pitiful 200hp.
3. Supports need to scale without having many items and having some sort of CC is one of the best ways to achieve that.

I definitely disagree with a statement that CC the most important aspect of support kit. It's strong aspect that's is always useful - but if other members of your team have plenty of stuns themselves then you'd better off with things that would nicely cover the weaknesses of your team's composition - be it sustain, long range poke, map awareness - rather than stacking CC.

Ad 1. The job of the support is to support. Having CC is one way to do it, keeping him topped and buffing his damage (via AS) is another. As of securing kills, well... in laning, more often than not, Nidalee is gonna grab a kill herself instead of donating it to her ADC, but I'd say it's pretty hard to escape the pouncing cat, so kill is quite secure in her paws. On the other hand, Nid can make better use of the items than most of the supports, so it's not that big of a deal.
Ad 2. Or you can do other useful things like: poking, buffing your ADC, keeping enemies scouted, reducing resistances of enemy bruisiers, baiting like a boss, helping bursting down enemy's carries. If you're good you can even do most of those things at the same time.
Ad 3. Sure, CC is a good way to do that, but Nida has no problems with scaling herself - her Q has bonus scaling with range/missing health, trap reduces resistances by % of total, AS buffs scales with your carry AD.
 
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That sounds far too sensible. I haven't seen anybody do anything with Nidalee support she's just picked by people who don't want to support and don't care if it costs the game. Seems like summer is a terrible time to play lol, I don't know where all these trolls suddenly came from but it's like I'm in one of those Nunu Bot videos, just yesterday I got a Maokai support for my Varus and the first thing I find out is that I can't do anything because they have mundo support with Doran's Shield, Maokai doesn't give a shit about the bushes and we can't get any ganks either so every last hit I do Mundo and Graves charge at me. Then he starts to rant about how useless an ADC I am. K. Last shot under tower you say, can you guess what a 4-man gank bot with Fiddlesticks looks like? Meh.

Game before that I got a Nunu support, bought mana manipulator, doesn't give a shit about wards so I get to buy them, buys ap ofc and solo pushes randomly around the map, and we could have won that bs match too if not for the fifth afk/dc of the day.

It's also nice that this game considers 4v5 a fair match because "everybody gets them". Just yesterday 5 basically won matches just afk/dc. Today first match, yeah this started off well successful invade, bot lane won too because Alistar is better than fucking Nunu but oh Tryndamere feeds Jax and then leaves so they five man bot at 7 minutes mark. Feels good man.
 

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You have to remember one thing, though. Nidalee's javelin toss has such crazy base damage that it can still take off loads of HP from people, even on support-budget if you buy auxiliary ap (evil tome, ice shard, dunno). This makes her very good for pokey comps if you can aim it properly, and have any idea how to play Nid, i.e. shoot from under the fog of war at weird angles.

Good point.

Granted I'm only a silver tier player but Nidalee does work in those poke-orientated teams. For example, with a team comp of Nid + Ez + Diana/Viktor + Jayce with a solid tanky anchor for themselves works decently at my level of play. It's actually quite fun because with that much poke a team cannot simply dodge everything. And at my level, teams simply lack the cohesion to engage effectively to combat it.
 

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Nu-Yi. Looks okay, apparently they're removing AP Yi for the amusement of all those kill steal win lane lose game fags. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3567137

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New Riven splash art. That was a priority? And it looks so stupid, the old one is kinda boring but just what the hell is she doing here? Plowing the fields of justice?

Also in the works :
Orb of Winter

+70 Magic Resist
+20 Health Regen per 5 seconds

UNIQUE Passive: Grants a shield that absorbs up to 30 (+20 per level) damage. The shield will refresh after 9 seconds without receiving damage.

Cost: 1000

Seems like an ARAM item I'm going to nearly always buy as first item.
 

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Goth Riven, such an outsider!

Also Orb of Winter is coming, probably as a cheap counter to "LOL POKE" in ARAMs. Considering how ass MR itemization is it could be useful in SR as well, but I get a feeling the numbers on that shield are too good to last.
 

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Shit, Zyra was free for a whole week and I just played LoL once... Meh whatever. I can't decide between zyra and thresh. From that single game I couldn't tell. I mean, she's fun and all but Thresh probably wins in terms of fun and utility.

He still won't top Lulu for me though.
 
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Shit, Zyra was free for a whole week and I just played LoL once... Meh whatever. I can't decide between zyra and thresh. From that single game I couldn't tell. I mean, she's fun and all but Thresh probably wins in terms of fun and utility.

He still won't top Lulu for me though.

Thresh easily. He's incredibly fun and if you're any good at throwing his hooks and sweeps you'll have to get stuck with a total braindead AD to miss all the kills you serve up.
 

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Thresh is, together with Lulu, yhe most fun support in my opinion. I carried that scrub Markman with the thresher in two games earlier today, in the second game only my ADC had more gold than me at the end. :M
 
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Anyone else playing Rengar? He feels incredibly UP to me. I'm guessing his main combo is R-E-E-W-Q, but it's still only enough to BARELY get your teammate a kill, rather than get yourself a kill. Nocturne can do the same job, much more efficiently.
 

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