So, anyone playing League of Legends?

[Demnogonis Saastuttaja]

Oh? When I played the Tracks of Grind it had teamkillers and everything anybody said was complaining.

 

[Hellraiser]

Aura items are toxic? What? Honestly Riot?

Is there even an aura item that people other than the support get all the time? Even FH, Abyssal or WotA are situational.

 

[Grunker]

Even Abyssal is situational.

Do people even read this shit or do you just go "FUUUUU" based on the latest FFSRIOT news?

We're also not saying actives. Some auras are good because they provide some gameplay or strategy. A mana Manip could be good (if balanced etc) buying it in a lane with a hungry ADC. Absyssal Scepter requires specific synergies to use, or requires discomfort in a mage's positioning (or changes your own positioning to use it). These are good examples.

+Defensive stats to everyone near by? There's nothing to do, no strategy to rally around, no decisions in any term. I might not have clarified this in my off-the-cuff explanation earlier, but there's no nuance to Aegis (and WotA, to an extent) outside of gold/efficiency ones.

I don't agree that Aegis is bad item design, and I generally don't agree much with RIOT's definition of "toxic" and "unfun", or at least I don't think they're very consistent about it, but you guys seem to just fly off your hinges every time there's some new bit of info.

 

[Hellraiser]

Hurr durr, way to miss my point grunker.

 

[Grunker]

Hurr durr, way to miss my point grunker.

You questioned using Abyssal as an example of bad aura design. Since Morello did the opposite, who's the "hurr durr" here?

 

[Hellraiser]

Oh and where did I say that?

 

[Grunker]

Oh and where did I say that?

Why challenge Morello's point then use Abyssal Scepter as an example if you knew Morello thought it was a good item and not included in the ones he were criticizing? That makes no sense.

 

[Hellraiser]

Why challenge Morello's point then use Abyssal Scepter as an example if you knew Morello thought it was a good item and not included in the ones he were criticizing? That makes no sense.

Your idiotic assumptions makes no sense. I simply expressed my disbelief at calling aura items toxic when the meta doesn't revolve around them, and there are few if any items that people get on champions other than supports. Then I listed examples of the ones that usually get built by other roles (not badly designed items ffs) and mentioned that even the most popular ones are situational.

And what nuances outside of gold efficiency does he want on aura items? That's how you decide what you get for all items not just them. Is it the most gold efficient choice given the current state of the match. The hell does he want beside that? That's how itemization has always worked in his damn game.

 

[Renegen]

Bullwark has its place, it counters AOE teamcomps. A locket just doesn't do the trick since many of the spells are instantaneous.

 

[Juul]

Oh dear Odin, the games in Korea make LCS look like shit.

Can you tell me where I can watch Korean games, ideally with English commentary?

http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/HOT6iX_Champions_Summer_2013 - Bottom of this page contains a schedule. Page also contains standings and various information about the league.
http://www.twitch.tv/ongamenet/popout - Is the stream.

 

[Azael]

http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/25173-riot-pwyff-posts-tentative-pbe-changes-pbe-patch

Lots of changes incoming apparently. PBE only, but still. Thresh will be weaker early game, but if he manages a good laning phase he will be much stronger late game so should be interesting.

New Spirit Visage makes Mundo (Spirit of the Ancient Golem nerfs makes Mundo though)

Jungle changes seems rough, camps spawning at 2.05 p. much means you can't except any help from your laners. Then again, this might make the jungle more manly again.

 

[Demnogonis Saastuttaja]

What do you mean, that's just the wolves and wraiths and such.

 

[Azael]

What do you mean, that's just the wolves and wraiths and such.

Derp. Misread. Still, the XP changes means you need all the XP from the buff camp for yourself to reach lvl 2. So no AoE stuff from your laners then I guess.

 

[Ulminati]

Bulwark gone. No armor on Aegis.

 

[Renegen]

Jungle changes seems rough, camps spawning at 2.05 p. much means you can't except any help from your laners. Then again, this might make the jungle more manly again.

I thought that too, but if you notice only the 3 smaller camps spawn later. The big ones also give the same exp if you combine the exp from the small lizards. It's really just a change against early counter jungling, and Nunu specifically. I personally don't think Nunu's worth a ban at all if you're a competent jungler, but meh, anything that gets him off the ban list so I can support with him again.

 

[Hellraiser]

Bulwark gone. No armor on Aegis.

 

[Grunker]

Bulwark gone. No armor on Aegis.

so dumb

 

[Berekän]

Rise of Taric once again

 

[Renegen]

Rise of Taric once again

You know who completely disappeared from the meta? Miss Fortune. I had a hard time understanding why my MF wasn't winning anymore but Chaox was able to articulate it. MF isn't as good as she once was because no one stacks armor reduction anymore. When she was played, you had Xin or Jarvan every other game, Renekton, Nasus and everyone bought Black Cleavers. I recently played Taric - MF and forgot what a good lane it still is. And beyond the laning phase, Taric has his own auras and armor reduction to help MF land a killer ult. Taric is really underrated these days, but I see a comeback. With Draven nerfed, and with so many weak laners these days, Vayne, Tristana, Caitlyn, it's about time the kill lanes made a comeback. And I mean real kill lanes, not a Nami that sometimes lands her bubbles, but a Taric or Leona that zone the enemy out hard and never miss their initiates.

 

[Grunker]

weak laners

Caitlyn

 

[Juul]

Rise of Taric once again

MF isn't as good as she once was because no one stacks armor reduction anymore. When she was played, you had Xin or Jarvan every other game, Renekton, Nasus and everyone bought Black Cleavers. I recently played Taric - MF and forgot what a good lane it still is. And beyond the laning phase, Taric has his own auras and armor reduction to help MF land a killer ult. Taric is really underrated these days, but I see a comeback. With Draven nerfed, and with so many weak laners these days, Vayne, Tristana, Caitlyn, it's about time the kill lanes made a comeback. And I mean real kill lanes, not a Nami that sometimes lands her bubbles, but a Taric or Leona that zone the enemy out hard and never miss their initiates.

I don't agree with this at all. J4 is still played A LOT. Xin is making a slight comeback and was never really gone. Renektion and Nasus are still picked regularly. MF did not disappear, but she has certainly decreased a lot in popularity. Why? - I don't know, and it does not appear Chaox knows either.

Also, Caitlyn is NOT a weak laner by any stretch of the imagination.
With regards to 'kill-lanes' are you referring to professional play or standard client games? Because kill lanes stopped being popular professionally due to lane-swaps every single game.

 

[Renegen]

You get 1 kill advantage on Caitlyn, she's fucked. And you can always duel her if you have strong initiate. True, she's super strong early. I was talking kill lanes in solo queue of course.

 

[Darth Roxor]

Context: We wanted to reduce the burden of buying an Aegis / Bulwark every game. By combining Aegis and Locket, we can more clearly push them into their strategic niche of team fight area-effect damage reduction.

Haha, what. By combining aegis and locket, they've effectively done nothing to reduce this supposed burden of getting it every game, in fact they've probably increased it instead.

 

[Ulminati]

RIOT, while doing item balance:

 

[Grunker]

reminded me of this lol