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Vapourware Star Citizen - Only people with too much money can become StarCitizens! WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE?

Discussion in 'MMO(RP)G / Online Discussion' started by Morgoth, Sep 10, 2012.

  1. zapotec Learned

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    My argument is "why they should release the game, when they are making money in the current eternal alpha state?" while your reply was "There are millions of people just waiting for the release!!"

    Also, how they can sell 10 millions copies with Squadron42 when popamole Star Wars squadron sold one million copies is beyond my imagination (and it sold just one million copies because sci-fi ships videogames do not sell well).
     
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  2. Perkel Arcane

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    But how can it sell 10mln coppies when it sold already 3mln in early alpha while not even being released while SW squadron only sold 1 mln and was released ?

    Do you see problem here ? They already outsold by two times SW Squadron while not even being released.

    Despite bugs, constant crashes and very little gameplay systems they actually got 3mln people. And somehow you don't believe they can go for 10mln sales. I don't really care how much they sell but it is idiotic to assume they won't sell a lot SQ42 when it will finally come out.
     
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  3. zapotec Learned

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    Let's make it simple:

    In its early access state DayZ sold 4 millions copies from 2013-2018 (release date included) they sold another one million copies and in 2020 another one million.

    Do you see that the numbers are not decuplicating after the release? That's because early access games does not get a big boost of sales if the game is not released ASAP.

    In 5 years of early access people interested in the game would have already bought it!

    Remember we are talking about YEARS, not weeks, they are not buying an house, the "only a minority buy early access" it's not a valid argument when we are talking about games with years of early access.

    In 5/8 years people with an interest to the game, but unsure to buy it because it's an early access, would buy it anyway because maybe during that large period of time they manage to have some cash to burn off or they get drunk.
     
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  4. Perkel Arcane

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    Pretty fair assestment of game state as of start of 2021 for people who don't know about state of the game as of now:

     
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  5. AN4RCHID Arcane

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    Problem with this comparison is that you're talking SQ42, which is not an early access game. Presumably most of the people who wanted to play DayZ had already played it when it 'released' and the release was a non-event. No one has played SQ42, so the release will be an actual release. CIG aren't making hardly any money off SQ42 hype which is all but dead at this point. They only stand to gain by releasing it.
     
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  6. zapotec Learned

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    There is no problem with that comparison because i was talking about Star Citizen.
     
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  7. Myobi Scholar

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    x'D
     
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    It's true. They've basically been radio silent on Squadron for years. They make their big money around the ship sales and events for the PU.
     
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    To think that all the actors in the cutscenes will be long dead by then....the credits will be a bonafide IN MEMORIAM.
     
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  10. Myobi Scholar

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    What you on about? They had yet another "release" date for it late last year, they just missed it like the previous ones. But that isn’t even what I found funny, “making money off hype” pretty much sums up CIG entire business, maybe once it stops selling, they might actually focus on trying to sell some fucking video games.
     
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  11. AN4RCHID Arcane

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    They didn't have a release date last year, they had a date for when the game would enter internal beta. And that had been given when the old roadmap first came out.
     
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  12. Myobi Scholar

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    Yeah, the release of the BETA version of it, I don't remember them saying anything about it just being an "internal" release though
    @ https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/1/thread/staggered-development-faq-1

    Its just typical Chris shitty ass management as usual ~ but hey, maybe, with some luck, Microsoft will also buy this one, that way we could finally play the damn thing.
     
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  13. underground nymph Learned

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    This game though provides a good-looking screenshot simulator and unimaginably tedious discussion threads.
     
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  14. Grimlorn Arcane

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    No once Squadron42 is released and sucks it will definitely hurt hype and donations for Star Citizen. It's why they've held it back all this time, when they could have easily gotten another 100 million just by selling 2 million copies of it which would be feasible. The reason they haven't done this, is because they can keep the gravy train going by continuing to get donations via their cult donors who still believe. Once the product is released, however, the dream is over.
     
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  15. Perkel Arcane

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    There was never going to be public BETA of SQ42. It was supposed to go beta internally by end of 2020. But it was obvious pretty much to everyone who followed development around mid 2020 that they will be doing another feature that will for sure push it further away covid or not. The feature is "physical ship components" and they had to basically rework all the ships to include those components places they are still doing that currently. All new ships already come with spaces for those components to be swaped by player though they are not intractable for now until whole system goes V1.

    What hype you are talking about ? There is no hype on net. Every-time there is article about Sc it is either that this is a scam or that they delayed again something. It is mostly word of mouth that gets them money. There are no articles that praise it and there are no community made articles praising it. Even people who play it say outright that people should wait with buy until game is ready or in much better state.
     
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  16. Grimlorn Arcane

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    How can you say there isn't hype for a game that has been in development for 7-8 years and just gained a record amount of donations last year? There is most certainly hype for this product. The articles don't matter. Once a product is delivered that hype will be gone though, and the donations will dry up. Same with all games really. Cyberpunk being a recent example.
     
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  17. Perkel Arcane

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    LOL. When CDPR will announce Expansion people will line up for it like nothing happened. After few patches they won't even remember launch. You live in some alternate reality.
     
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  18. Perkel Arcane

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    what new they are working on:

    - rivers for planets (being both auto and artist handmade)
    - terrain modification
    - possibility for player to modify terrain
    - prototyping new solutions to space/air combat one which are capacitors (to force more jousting)



    I was wondering how they will fix the problem of player owned bases/homesteads etc when players wouldn't be able to modify ground but it looks like they solved that problem with such system oriented generation.
     
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  19. Yaar Podshipnik Arcane Patron

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    So yet another complete game worth of a new system to add to this monstrosity, another excuse to delay this closer and closer to the heat death of the universe...
     
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  20. Perkel Arcane

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    They removed Dalamar and by that Levski landzone in PTU. Considering that their new roadmap shows they started work on Nyx system it was pretty predictable.

    Systems progress according to their new roadmap:
    - Stanton (lacks only Crusader landing zone and final Crusader gas giant asset)
    - Pyro - in midst of heavy work
    - Nyx - started recently
    - Odin - Mostly done (SQ42)

    Both crusader landing zone and cloud tech which are requirements for it are mostly done in finishing stages so stanton should be finished in 3.14. Pyro seems to be the most finished system outside of Stanton and i fully expect they will drop it into PU once their server meshing comes online this year which will start as 4.0. Nyx is small system with only Dalamar landing zone which is finished so i expect them to drop it pretty quickly into game. Odin is mostly done but for sure it won't be available in SC until they release SQ42 part1.

    Overall all of other system outside of stanton should be way faster to be done as they are mostly lifeless and have like 1-2 landing zones which are mostly bigger space stations rather than cities like in Stanton.
     
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    The removal has nothing to do with "starting to work on Nyx". They removed it because their servers can't handle it.
     
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  22. Perkel Arcane

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    They update massively their roadmap app with missing teams and added cards for rest of this year. Some key stuff without bullshit fillers:

    3.13 - Q1 :
    - new types of caves, sinkholes accessible only by ships, open which allow for ground vehicle.
    - mounted guns (ability to mount guns on statives like getting that HMG on cutty black as close support ship)
    - closet spawning (stuff you can loot)
    - vehicle names and serials
    - vehicle visual degradation (ships wearing down as you use them)
    - ship -> station docking + merlin docking to constelation.
    - 1 ship with 2 variants and 1 Tank

    3.14 - Q2 :
    - Crusader gas giant and Orison landing zone
    - Physical inventory, all equipment will have their own inventories
    - Scanning redesign, pinging, scanning etc.
    - "hacking"
    - shields rework with new graphics tech

    3.15 - Q3 :
    - FPS ammo rework, ammo will be in magazines and it won't magically refill itself with your stored ammo total like now.
    - Freeform cutting. Ability to cut out ship exterior to get inside ship.
    - Bombs and Mines
    - Salvage - ability to salvage parts of wrecks (T0 later version will expand what you can do)
    - 2 new ships
    - Ship interior/exterior culling - performance upgrade

    3.16 - Q4 :
    - Orison landing zone upgrade
    - FPS weapon wear and missfire
    - Lockers and player inventory stashes
    - Fire and fire extinguisher. Stuff now can catch fire.
    - Shield emiters - Shield will have localized emiters you can destroy.

    Not in cards but to be released this year (in detailed roadmap):
    - Vulcan - Q2 with possible slip to Q3 - performance upgrade
    - iCache - Q2/Q3 - database rework that allows more things having persistence without making server cry like being able to store information about cargo you haul and survive server crashes etc.
    - Server Meshing - Q4/Q1 2022 - huge performance upgrade that opens up game for new systems 100s/1000s of players etc. If it will be in Q4, 3.16 card will be renamed to 4.0 probably.
    - Pyro - relies on Server Meshing. If SM is in Pyro will be added to Q4 card
    - Cloud tech - with release of new Crusader and Orison Landing zone (city is in clouds of gas giant).
    - Dynamic fire spread - It is in Q4 card but as "fire extinguisher". Due to damage or arson things in ship can catch fire and that fire may spread if not stopped.
    - Ship components - With salvage T0 Q3
    - Cargo storage - finished but waits for iCache.

    To be released 2022:
    - Q1 Pyro system if server meshing slips from Q4 2021 to Q1
    - Nyx system (small transit system) Dalamar is only populated station there, progress bar says they are already working on it.
     
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  23. PorkyThePaladin Arcane

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    Star Citizen is kinda like Dwarf Fortress (endless scope and ambition) if Tarn Adams behaved like Bernie Madoff.
     
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  24. Yaar Podshipnik Arcane Patron

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    Bookmarked post to verify "progress" later.
     
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  25. justincz Educated

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    lol, are you retarded? thoes are FORUM accounts only, not backers. and tens of thousands of them have several accounts. the number of backers are a fraction of the "citizens" they indicate.
     
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