Starfield Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[yes plz]

has the definition of 'walking simulator' changed or is that video creator just really retarded

 

[JamesDixon]

has the definition of 'walking simulator' changed or is that video creator just really retarded

That's his humor as he's making fun of Bugthesda in general.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

i came late to the party, tried to keep up but skipped the last 5 pages.
i know science, i know astronomy, i know videogames. i'm fine with the absence of the atmospheric flight. i spent too long on x, i spent years on elite 2, you just can't have a realistic atmosphere entering without time compression and/or several other shortcuts. also pathfinding hasn't kept up with graphics in the last 30 years, and if the autopilot keeps crashing on stations (at worst) or tries to circle around a station from a million kilometers looking for the right angle to dock (at best, which would had taken seconds instead of hours if done closer) in x, from a company which has been doing this and only this and just this for the last 25 years...
procedural is fine, it's going to let the game be free from the assassin's creed syndrome "if there's a platform, there must be a way to reach it" which makes all the modern worlds feel so artificial.
fallout 76's engine has reached some decent degree of stability, all i wish from this game is to actually be a series of assets the real heroes, the modders, can build a decent game with.

in a perfect world, this is (almost) the kind of game i've always wanted, but i'm rather confident bethesda will botch this. my inner child wants to stay excited and interested.

 

[Yosharian]

I would seriously recommend watching that 21 Kiloton video actually as he made some really good points.

 

[Irxy]

I would seriously recommend watching that 21 Kiloton video actually as he made some really good points.

I have better things to do than watch an hour long video of some seriously butthurt dude whining about every little thing he can nitpick.
Tried to watch it, but he spends 5 minutes talking about how bad is a that slogan shown for 3 seconds nobody not autistic even remembers is there.
If you think he does make some fair points somewhere out there, just list them here.

 

[Child of Malkav]

Can't wait for something like this to happen but in space, with Cthulhu

https://webmshare.com/Eeb3Y

 

[Yosharian]

I would seriously recommend watching that 21 Kiloton video actually as he made some really good points.

I have better things to do than watch an hour long video of some seriously butthurt dude whining about every little thing he can nitpick.
Tried to watch it, but he spends 5 minutes talking about how bad is a that slogan shown for 3 seconds nobody not autistic even remembers is there.
If you think he does make some fair points somewhere out there, just list them here.

I mean fair enough if you don't think it's worth your time.

He explains clearly why he spent 5 minutes talking about the quote so if you didn't pick up on that maybe you weren't paying attention.

I don't think I'm gonna summarise the video for you.

 

[Forest Dweller]

Just stumbled on this:

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/8587...e-of-crap-former-bethesda-dev-says/index.html

Starfield's engine is a 'piece of crap,' former Bethesda dev says
Starfield's new upgraded Creation Engine 2 isn't playing nicely with space flight mechanics, a former developer has alleged.
Derek Strickland
@DeekeTweak

PUBLISHED WED, APR 27 2022 5:50 PM CDT | UPDATED THU, MAY 19 2022 11:59 AM CDT

Starfield's game engine is a "piece of crap," a former Bethesda Game Studios developer has said.


Starfield's new revamped Creation Engine 2 may be having some issues, particularly with flight mechanics. A former Bethesda Game Studios developer actually says the "engine is a piece of crap," saying that space flight isn't all that fun.

The developer has been sharing Starfiled info on forum site ResetERA since 2021. The user has been authenticated by ResetERA's site admins, and Jason Schreier also confirmed the user was legitimate.

"The engine isn't great and I don't like the feel of the flying, that's just a person's opinion," the user said. "Again, that's to me, you may love it. So it's hard to say, I'm really interested in knowing what some of you guys will think about the game in general. Very very curious."

"I'm particularly speaking to the usability of the engine not the capability of it, those are two different things. For example unreal and unity are very user friendly while CryEngine is a pain in the ass but its very powerful."

Note:The user has deleted their account on ResetERA.

Starfield may also have an overabundance of content, which makes sense because it's the first mainline RPG that Bethesda will have released since 2015's Fallout 4.

"The engine is a piece of crap[...] Starfield is looking good, weekly Thursday playtests since the beginning of [2021] and more and more setuff is coming online. Shooting feels alright, flying is terrible at the moment in my opinion--it's just not fun to me. Lighting and stuff is looking better and better, though it's not on the level of Horizon Forbidden West or anything like that. It's still a good looking game.

"In terms of will it ship on time, Bethesda will try that's for sure. They'll cut what they [need to] and they have an overabundance of content, probably too much, so that's not the issue. Finding the fun and of course bug fixing is the big thing."

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/8587...e-of-crap-former-bethesda-dev-says/index.html

 

[Bigg Boss]

It's worth noting that there's no FO4SE version of Hide UI. So I have no idea if the Script Extender even offers any way of doing it.

If it doesn't, it's because nobody cared enough to reverse engineer it and write the hooks needed.

What are you guys after that Gopher's Immersive HUD doesn't offer? It's based on r2k's HUD Framework and highly configurable, so there was probably little need for Silverlock to do anything on the Script Extender side after that.

Modding aside, it's downright embarrassing that after some two decades of recurring subpar UIs and modders showing them how to fix 'em, Bethesda still can't seem to wrap their heads around the requirements of a good PC interface. I know - why bother when mods will fix it? - but then I doubt that Beth would do any better if mods didn't fix it every time either.

No what is embarrassing is the entire NMA/Codex memberbase still buying their shit. Then they act shocked when turn-based RPG's stop selling as well because everyone acts hardcore while still playing shitty Bethesda games BECAUSE YOU CAN MOD THEM!!!! OH BOY!

 

[Hobo Elf]

No what is embarrassing is the entire NMA/Codex memberbase still buying their shit. Then they act shocked when turn-based RPG's stop selling as well because everyone acts hardcore while still playing shitty Bethesda games BECAUSE YOU CAN MOD THEM!!!! OH BOY!

You are allowed to buy and play both turn based and RT FPP RPGs. And I hope no one is under any illusion that a turn-based RPG would outsell Starfield. They wouldn't, not even if they were the only kind of RPG available on the market.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

No what is embarrassing is the entire NMA/Codex memberbase still buying their shit. Then they act shocked when turn-based RPG's stop selling as well because everyone acts hardcore while still playing shitty Bethesda games BECAUSE YOU CAN MOD THEM!!!! OH BOY!

You are allowed to buy and play both turn based and RT FPP RPGs. And I hope no one is under any illusion that a turn-based RPG would outsell Starfield. They wouldn't, not even if they were the only kind of RPG available on the market.

I don't know... DOS2 sold very well. Speaking about JRPGs, there are recent TB games that seems to have a lot of success too, such as Persona 5. I am curious to see how these games compares to the typical Bethesda or Bioware action RPGs of the '10s.

 

[Spectacle]

You are allowed to buy and play both turn based and RT FPP RPGs. And I hope no one is under any illusion that a turn-based RPG would outsell Starfield. They wouldn't, not even if they were the only kind of RPG available on the market.

I could see Baldur's Gate 3 outselling Starfield, if the latter is a janky piece of crap that's more like No Man's Sky than "Skyrim in Space"

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

it's bethesda. they could shit in a box and it'd sell anyway.

 

[Hobo Elf]

I don't know... DOS2 sold very well. Speaking about JRPGs, there are recent TB games that seems to have a lot of success too, such as Persona 5. I am curious to see how these games compares to the typical Bethesda or Bioware action RPGs of the '10s.

They can sell well. They have always sold well. The problem is that they don't make ALL of the money like suits want. They don't believe in niche markets, they only want the mass audience. My point was that both kind of game can exist, but the type of experience that Bethesda offers have more mass appeal. If Bethesda stopped making games today the people who play their games aren't going to migrate into the TB space.

You are allowed to buy and play both turn based and RT FPP RPGs. And I hope no one is under any illusion that a turn-based RPG would outsell Starfield. They wouldn't, not even if they were the only kind of RPG available on the market.

I could see Baldur's Gate 3 outselling Starfield, if the latter is a janky piece of crap that's more like No Man's Sky than "Skyrim in Space"

Bethesda's sales are in the 10 million range. I can't find DOS2 sales figures but in 2017 it was over 1 million, so I can see it being in the 2-3mil range now. I doubt BG3 will suddenly outsell Starfield and being on the Microsoft game pass won't eat into sales profits as the platform has proven to actually increase game sales.

 

[Gargaune]

You are allowed to buy and play both turn based and RT FPP RPGs. And I hope no one is under any illusion that a turn-based RPG would outsell Starfield. They wouldn't, not even if they were the only kind of RPG available on the market.

I could see Baldur's Gate 3 outselling Starfield, if the latter is a janky piece of crap that's more like No Man's Sky than "Skyrim in Space"

Unlikely, the target demographics for ARPGs and cRPGs are too far off. DOS2 was hailed as a smashing success in its segment for selling a million copies in the first two months, and BG3's done exceptionally well and sold more than that in its first EA week alone. But still, Skyrim sold 30 million copies just by 2016, plenty more millions since, TW3 has topped 40 million copies since launch, Fo4 shipped 12 million retail copies just on release, etc.

And even if Starfield were the worst videogame ever, say they literally shipped a copy of No Man's Sky with new cover art, you gotta remember it'd be Bethesda's following game that would risk the brunt of the backlash. Case in point - Cyberpunk 2077 got an astonishing (and somewhat excessive) level of bad press, and it still sold 13 million copies year-one.

 

[BruceVC]

You are allowed to buy and play both turn based and RT FPP RPGs. And I hope no one is under any illusion that a turn-based RPG would outsell Starfield. They wouldn't, not even if they were the only kind of RPG available on the market.

I could see Baldur's Gate 3 outselling Starfield, if the latter is a janky piece of crap that's more like No Man's Sky than "Skyrim in Space"

Unlikely, the target demographics for ARPGs and cRPGs are too far off. DOS2 was hailed as a smashing success in its segment for selling a million copies in the first two months, and BG3's done exceptionally well and sold more than that in its first EA week alone. But still, Skyrim sold 30 million copies just by 2016, plenty more millions since, TW3 has topped 40 million copies since launch, Fo4 shipped 12 million retail copies just on release, etc.

And even if Starfield were the worst videogame ever, say they literally shipped a copy of No Man's Sky with new cover art, you gotta remember it'd be Bethesda's following game that would risk the brunt of the backlash. Case in point - Cyberpunk 2077 got an astonishing (and somewhat excessive) level of bad press, and it still sold 13 million copies year-one.

You guys should do what I am doing, I will be buying both BG3 and Starfield

 

[rusty_shackleford]

lmao at the idea of DOS2 being in a "niche market"

we know from the steam sales data leak a few years back that the only rpg which beat it in terms of sales is witcher 3

 

[Funposter]

lmao at the idea of DOS2 being in a "niche market"

we know from the steam sales data leak a few years back that the only rpg which beat it in terms of sales is witcher 3

Steamspy hasn't been allowed to reveal exact figures for quite some time now, but it's still good for ballpark estimates, and DOS2 has sold over 5 million copies on PC alone. This actually puts it in the same sales bracket of 5-10 million as Fallout 4, Skyrim and Dark Souls 3. The Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk broke past the 10 million mark. Steamspy also indicates 20+ million for Elden Ring but idk if that's a weird figure or not.

 

[ArchAngel]

lmao at the idea of DOS2 being in a "niche market"

we know from the steam sales data leak a few years back that the only rpg which beat it in terms of sales is witcher 3

Steamspy hasn't been allowed to reveal exact figures for quite some time now, but it's still good for ballpark estimates, and DOS2 has sold over 5 million copies on PC alone. This actually puts it in the same sales bracket of 5-10 million as Fallout 4, Skyrim and Dark Souls 3. The Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk broke past the 10 million mark. Steamspy also indicates 20+ million for Elden Ring but idk if that's a weird figure or not.

That all depends on how you answer the next question.

Spoiler

What is a RPG?

 

[Hobo Elf]

lmao at the idea of DOS2 being in a "niche market"

we know from the steam sales data leak a few years back that the only rpg which beat it in terms of sales is witcher 3

Steamspy hasn't been allowed to reveal exact figures for quite some time now, but it's still good for ballpark estimates, and DOS2 has sold over 5 million copies on PC alone. This actually puts it in the same sales bracket of 5-10 million as Fallout 4, Skyrim and Dark Souls 3. The Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk broke past the 10 million mark. Steamspy also indicates 20+ million for Elden Ring but idk if that's a weird figure or not.

DOS2 sales aren't even in the same league as Skyrim. Skyrim is one of the best selling games of all time.

 

[Gargaune]

lmao at the idea of DOS2 being in a "niche market"

we know from the steam sales data leak a few years back that the only rpg which beat it in terms of sales is witcher 3

Steamspy hasn't been allowed to reveal exact figures for quite some time now, but it's still good for ballpark estimates, and DOS2 has sold over 5 million copies on PC alone. This actually puts it in the same sales bracket of 5-10 million as Fallout 4, Skyrim and Dark Souls 3. The Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk broke past the 10 million mark. Steamspy also indicates 20+ million for Elden Ring but idk if that's a weird figure or not.

DOS2 sales aren't even in the same league as Skyrim. Skyrim is one of the best selling games of all time.

Yep, they're worlds apart. Besides, smaller market segment than Skyrim doesn't necessarily translate to "niche".

Rusty just likes to fold up little paper dolls of us and imagine we say things he can argue against. Then he makes the little paper dolls kiss and touches himself.

 

[Funposter]

lmao at the idea of DOS2 being in a "niche market"

we know from the steam sales data leak a few years back that the only rpg which beat it in terms of sales is witcher 3

Steamspy hasn't been allowed to reveal exact figures for quite some time now, but it's still good for ballpark estimates, and DOS2 has sold over 5 million copies on PC alone. This actually puts it in the same sales bracket of 5-10 million as Fallout 4, Skyrim and Dark Souls 3. The Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk broke past the 10 million mark. Steamspy also indicates 20+ million for Elden Ring but idk if that's a weird figure or not.

DOS2 sales aren't even in the same league as Skyrim. Skyrim is one of the best selling games of all time.

Skyrim sold a lot of copies on the Xbox 360

 

[blessed king of longing]

the ___ with guns trope strikes again!

 

[Blaine]

INT., PRISONER TRANSPORT SHUTTLE
FOUR PRISONERS are in resistor restraints. Two stare out the viewing portals into the void; one speaks to THE PROTAGONIST as xhe awakens.

SUPER: FTS Wagner, en route to Starbase Helgen

MALE PRISONER
"Hey, you. You're finally out of stasis. You were trying to run that blockade, right? Flew right into that Federation patrol, just like us, and that smuggler over there."

 

[Blaine]

INT., PRISONER TRANSPORT SHUTTLE
FOUR PRISONERS are in resistor restraints. Two stare out the viewing portals into the void; one speaks to THE PROTAGONIST as xhe awakens.

SUPER: FTS Wagner, en route to Starbase Helgen

MALE PRISONER
"Hey, you. You're finally out of stasis. You were trying to run that blockade, right? Flew right into that Federation patrol, just like us, and that smuggler over there."