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Starfield Thread - now with Shattered Space horror expansion

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forgot to rank it, base game only:

Morrowind > New Vegas > Oblivion > Fallout 3 > Skyrim > Fallout 4 > Starfield
 

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Remember, Bugthesda took more time to make Starfield than Oblivion, FL3 and Skyrim combined. And with much more workers.

Is the result better or worse than this 3 games?

Why so much inefficiency? Diversity hires?
Weed, plus no Great Books for Men.
 

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okay I'm done with this game, finished the United Colonies questline, which is one of the four factions in the game and "mediocre" doesn't even describe it. I know Hadrian is a clone of a man but come on, she was a really cool character that I was looking forward to getting as a companion. All I get for this shitty questline is an apartment and some store discounts? Are you kidding me.

You missed the legendary anti-xeno armor set when they ask you to (optionally) get gear from the armor on the bug planet? Used it almost up until the ending from about the half point in the game myself.

Also I think you do get a vanguard ship (well I had one suddenly who knows from where in my ship list). The crappy rewards sooner applies to Ryujin if you ask me, the +3 manipulation is the best one they give, but the persuasion system is already a joke without it and without any points it's possible to get through most of those with at worst minimal quickload abuse. Besides that you just get the operative clothes, useless for a non-stealth character (and even the, how useful are those?). Truly it doesn't pay to be a corporate lackey.
 
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NG+ involves redoing the walk to each temples and complete the shitty minigames ten times for each power to maximize them. Then, you have to collect all seven artifacts in the same dungeons each time, making it an absurd grind. All of this effort results in maybe witnessing one or two changes in the lodge and a few lines of text. And why would you grind? There's no challenge, no reason to upgrade your character, and you lose everything at each NG+. It's probably the second-worst design I've seen in my life, after Mechajammer. I really don't understand why this game gets a free pass, especially when compared to how Cyberpunk 2077 was criticized at release, despite being in much better shape. It's not even good-looking, which should be a minimum expectation for an AAA game. My nephew is currently playing Kingdom Come on an old PC, and he's quite happy with it. When he looked at Starfield, he said it looks like shit, and I have to agree.
You got it backwards. The ng+ changes are not to make people that don't like the grind do it, it's just a hat tip to those that do. They have a playerbase and deliver to it.

The many many many millions that bought Cyberpunk on launch expected Witcher 3 quality/polish. That's why the strong backlash.
 

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The storage space is laughable seriously, I'm convinced they really never tested the game, had to use a mod to increase ship storage x3.
 

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How the actual fuck you get from not agreeing with storage space to "they didn't test the game".
 

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The storage space is laughable seriously, I'm convinced they really never tested the game, had to use a mod to increase ship storage x3.
If you are talking about starting ship you can fairly easily add more storage to it. It looked ugly after that but whatever. Later I finished Ranger storyline and got a Ranger ship with over 2000 storage.
 

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okay I'm done with this game, finished the United Colonies questline, which is one of the four factions in the game and "mediocre" doesn't even describe it. I know Hadrian is a clone of a man but come on, she was a really cool character that I was looking forward to getting as a companion. All I get for this shitty questline is an apartment and some store discounts? Are you kidding me.

Well, at least I can now say I've seen most of what the game has to offer, though the Crimson Fleet questline is supposed to be the best, I won't bother doing any quests in this game anymore until they release a DLC, and patches, and mods. In fact, I'm not going to touch it until a "Game of the Year" edition or something like that comes out with all DLCs bundled. Then, and only then will I give this turd another try.

Some might be wondering why I became so critical of the game towards the end. Well, it's because in the end all games fall apart, all but the classics that is. I can infinitely replay BG1, VTMB or even New Vegas. On the other hand games like Starfield, and all of Bethesda's games really, fall apart at the seams sooner or later and you see them for what they are: a turd.

Only true classics can stand the test of time, and Niggerfield is a far cry from one. After doing some of the quest content, I have to revise my initial score of 6/10 to a 4/10, it's hilariously badly written and if I add that up with the spacesim, base building and looter shooter systems that basically go nowhere, that's a pretty fair score I'd say.
but you do get Hadrian as a companion.

Maybe you're so autistic not even Bethesda npcs want to be around you
 

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You missed the legendary anti-xeno armor set when they ask you to (optionally) get gear from the armor on the bug planet? Used it almost up until the ending from about the half point in the game myself.
No but my gear was better as I was loot hunting and leveling up for many hours before starting the quest content. It looked really cool though and I was disappointed it was worse than the random loot I found off Spacers in the level 75 systems.
 

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You got it backwards. The ng+ changes are not to make people that don't like the grind do it, it's just a hat tip to those that do. They have a playerbase and deliver to it.
Not really, because you have to do a NG+ and lose all your items to see the credits roll. That’s very atypical for the open ended Bethesda games that their playerbase is used to.
 

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The storage space is laughable seriously, I'm convinced they really never tested the game, had to use a mod to increase ship storage x3.
The container in your room in the Lodge has infinite storage. For ship storage you need to upgrade your ship with cargo modules.
 

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I've never played a New Game Plus in anything, how does it work? You just keep your skills but the map and the story rewind to the beginning? I saw some reviewer argue that you should beeline the main plot in Starfield as quickly as possible and then do all your exploring and Barbie dream houses in NG+, is that the case?
 

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I've never played a New Game Plus in anything, how does it work? You just keep your skills but the map and the story rewind to the beginning? I saw some reviewer argue that you should beeline the main plot in Starfield as quickly as possible and then do all your exploring and Barbie dream houses in NG+, is that the case?
If you plan to try NG+ that is the best way. But if there are changes to missions in NG+ you will not know what they are if you didn't do those missions in standard game.
 

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I'm sorry Sarah, but it's not me, it's you.

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That terrain in the horizon looks like it's from some earliest Crytech pre-alpha build when they were just testing the initial steps of the tech for first Far Cry. Wtf
 
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I've never played a New Game Plus in anything, how does it work? You just keep your skills but the map and the story rewind to the beginning? I saw some reviewer argue that you should beeline the main plot in Starfield as quickly as possible and then do all your exploring and Barbie dream houses in NG+, is that the case?
Depends on the game, usually you keep your skills and items so you can either advance quickly through the same game again to try new paths, or you play a harder difficulty. Fagottassi's article goes into how it works on Starfield. TL;DR you lose everything but your skills, but there's some other stuff.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulta...-a-good-decision-by-bethesda/?sh=6d4eaa913fd3

I don't see the point of beelining for NG.
 

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I'm sorry Sarah, but it's not me, it's you.

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Why do you still have Space Karen following you LOL. She complained all the time when I would try to steal anything.
Andreja just says: "Oh, now that is ours?"
 

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I've never played a New Game Plus in anything, how does it work? You just keep your skills but the map and the story rewind to the beginning? I saw some reviewer argue that you should beeline the main plot in Starfield as quickly as possible and then do all your exploring and Barbie dream houses in NG+, is that the case?
There are 2 main "reasons" to do NG+:

1) Many quests have an A and B outcome where you get to decide, by doing NG+ you can try to do these quests with a different choice, and see a different consequence
2) To grind up your 24 Starborn powers to rank 10, meaning you have to collect all 24 temples in 10 NG+ runs to fully max out your character. Your starborn ship and suit also get upgraded up to rank 10 each time.

If you feel like these 2 "reasons" are unappealing you are completely right, NG+ is a gimmick that they used to make more use of the procedural generated nature of the game, all temple and artifact locations are randomized in each game. The worst offender is that you have to give up all your shit and "be reborn" to see the credits roll. Bad design all around with this game.

Edit: Oh there is also another reason:

3) The starts of each NG+ are randomized so you might encounter "weird" things as you start a new run. I haven't seen this propagate beyond the beginning of the game tho, and additionally you get (sometimes) unique [Starborn] dialogue choices. I didn't mention it because beyond the initial, potentially - tho not guaranteed - weird starts, it's maybe less than 1% of the content and not worth it imo.
 
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Why do you still have Space Karen following you LOL. She complained all the time when I would try to steal anything.
Andreja just says: "Oh, now that is ours?"
Didn't get Andreja yet in this run, but I'd rather have space Karen than space Gipsy anyway tbh.
 

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Why do you still have Space Karen following you LOL. She complained all the time when I would try to steal anything.
Andreja just says: "Oh, now that is ours?"
Didn't get Andreja yet in this run, but I'd rather have space Karen than space Gipsy anyway tbh.
She is not space gypsy lol. She is Space Russian or something.
She still expects you to act like a good person but at least she does not complain all the time about everything you do like Space Karen did.
 

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