yeah reception of the game was from the very beginning 50/50 love/hate. Even now the fires are still burning especially on the steam forums.Interesting, even Reddit NPCs find Starfield mediocre:
Wasn't someone here just saying that it is a good game?
So if I like a game I have to become a fanboy and only talk about the good parts? Plenty of shortcomings that I have talked about but overall I still like it. Can you imagine
it wasn't just the jews that got fucked during nazi germany. Information and propaganda was tightly controled by the nazi regime, with many germans who spoke out against the regime being tortured or executed, similar to how it is in this thread.
I guarantee most modders are going to run out of steam quite quickly with this game. This is not going to be another Skyrim. Of course there will be the modders who devote their lives to fixing the game, but it will not be a thriving community like Skyrim is.
NO MOD NO TODD
Quest design is more important than storytelling.
Eh. If that were always the case, visual novels wouldn't be a thing.
I'd also like to mention that the latter half of the Dark Brotherhood questline is extremely mediocre compared to the start, which you conveniently don't see people mentioning... Almost like it's extremely overrated or something
Well, well, well. So you finally admit it, eh? But to be serious for a moment, these are roleplaying games so constructing good gameplay scenarios should be a priority. Visual novels are more of an evolution of comic books.
Morrowind doesn't have writing, Morrowind has non-writing. It has a big book of lore, but how the characters and stories work is purely functional. Now as a strategy gamer, I'm fine with that. But just letting you guys know because when a company like Bethesda hears "you need better writing" they're gonna be thinking TLoU or Disco Elysium not Morrowind. Now all that being said, yes I appreciate Morrowind's lore immensely and it led to some of the most intriguing civilizations in any RPG. It's really cool that there are 4 distinct architectural styles associated with each society.
Admit what? That plot-on-rails VNs exist?
Yes and no. You can't make choices in comics. Some VNs have fairly extensive branching possibilities and even something like new game+ functionality. And a lot of VNs have other mechanics - resource management, stats, combat, quests - but people still buy games without those.
Someone wrote said lore though. Ergo writing. Semantics.
I don't like Skyrim because of the dumb writing. You can have the best simulation in the world, but if most of the questlines are appallingly stupid, it still won't be enjoyable.
Not really the subject of a conversation about writing though.
True. Doesn't make up for the rest of the writing though.
Plenty of CYOA experiments have been tried, they just didn't take off until programmable interfaces automated away the egregious amount of "turn to page 129 and look up item B17 in the appendix". In terms of program architecture, they're basically single-client web servers. A series of static pages that direct to each other via a route tree and use session cookies to manage state. Every website is effectively a visual novel.
No one considers tool tips to be writing. Writing is generally associated with story construction.
The simulation is the entire point of making a game. This is the most "just read a book" complaint I've ever seen. Actually it's not even like that since you don't seem particularly interested in narrative design either. It's more like "just read an encylopedia." The programmers are the most expensive people on staff. If you really don't care about that stuff, you can hire a single web dev and task them with displaying your branching content at the appropriate time.
It's the same thing. You want the lore to be convincing. I agree. I'm just also throwing the art and world design in there as well since it takes the place of what would be written descriptions in a novel or lower-budget production. You can imagine a novelist writing:
I haven't played Starfield and Roadwarden, would you care to elaborate on the comparison, especially related to "relatively light on exact events"? Thanks.
It's the same as any Bethesda game. Outside of the main story beats, not much happens. I mean a lot happens in Starfield but not for the scale of the game. It's mostly about wandering around and drinking in the setting or in Roadwarden's case descriptions thereof. There's more focus on what the player experiences than major plot events in the narrative. I'm just drawing a parallel between something that is entirely writing in one game can be expressed without any writing in a larger budget production.
These people have never seen a gun, have they.
This is RIFTS-tier shit.
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