Starfield Thread - now with Shattered Space horror expansion

[Egosphere]

Pretty sure that the game is a flop. 7 years of paying hundreds of people and couldn't even beat tranny simulator 3. Those "6 million" claim is around of 200 mil profit,at optimal. That is hardly their operational cost for 7 years and marketing lol.

Yeah but they can just re-release Skyrim again.

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

Pretty sure that the game is a flop. 7 years of paying hundreds of people and couldn't even beat tranny simulator 3. Those "6 million" claim is around of 200 mil profit,at optimal. That is hardly their operational cost for 7 years and marketing lol.

Ahaha hardly a flop. Wait till the modding tools release and you will have a lot of people returning to play such is the nature of bethesda games.

 

[Rhobar121]

Pretty sure that the game is a flop. 7 years of paying hundreds of people and couldn't even beat tranny simulator 3. Those "6 million" claim is around of 200 mil profit,at optimal. That is hardly their operational cost for 7 years and marketing lol.

The game is on gamepass, which means that a lot of it is not even a purchased game. Maybe one day gamepass will become profitable, but it won't happen quickly, especially if they plan to release AAA games there at launch.
I don't want to believe that the game will make any money.

 

[Rhobar121]

Pretty sure that the game is a flop. 7 years of paying hundreds of people and couldn't even beat tranny simulator 3. Those "6 million" claim is around of 200 mil profit,at optimal. That is hardly their operational cost for 7 years and marketing lol.

Ahaha hardly a flop. Wait till the modding tools release and you will have a lot of people returning to play such is the nature of bethesda games.

You overestimate the number of people who actually care about mods, even if you only consider PC. I doubt it will be even 5% of players.
Casual players don't do this for obvious reasons.

 

[Mebrilia the Viera Queen]

Pretty sure that the game is a flop. 7 years of paying hundreds of people and couldn't even beat tranny simulator 3. Those "6 million" claim is around of 200 mil profit,at optimal. That is hardly their operational cost for 7 years and marketing lol.

Ahaha hardly a flop. Wait till the modding tools release and you will have a lot of people returning to play such is the nature of bethesda games.

You overestimate the number of people who actually care about mods, even if you only consider PC. I doubt it will be even 5% of players.
Casual players don't do this for obvious reasons.

Mh you really don't know well the bethesda userbase. I grant you that there are plenty of modders and even waaaaaay more mods users.

 

[Rhobar121]

Pretty sure that the game is a flop. 7 years of paying hundreds of people and couldn't even beat tranny simulator 3. Those "6 million" claim is around of 200 mil profit,at optimal. That is hardly their operational cost for 7 years and marketing lol.

Ahaha hardly a flop. Wait till the modding tools release and you will have a lot of people returning to play such is the nature of bethesda games.

You overestimate the number of people who actually care about mods, even if you only consider PC. I doubt it will be even 5% of players.
Casual players don't do this for obvious reasons.

Mh you really don't know well the bethesda userbase. I grant you that there are plenty of modders and even waaaaaay more mods users.

Most game sales come from casual gamers whose peak of their skills is to install it on their hard drive. If a game has such shitty results at launch, it will only get worse when the casuals get boring.
I also assume that the gamepass version has limited modding options, so it won't help much. For this reason, most people who like mods probably bought the game on Steam.

 

[Rhobar121]

To emphasize even more how much 6 million is a shitty result. According to unofficial data, BG3 has sold approximately 5.5 million copies on Steam alone (data from last month).
We're talking about a game whose only advertisement was bear sex.

 

[Vic]

I'm addicted to exploring planets (random cells)

 

[Vic]

To emphasize even more how much 6 million is a shitty result. According to unofficial data, BG3 has sold approximately 5.5 million copies on Steam alone (data from last month).
We're talking about a game whose only advertisement was bear sex.

Starfield has at least one DLC planned, and my guess is 2-3, each DLC release will pump sales. They'll also re-release it again as a "complete" edition, which more people will buy. They are probably less concerned with immediate numbers and are taking a more long term approach with this. Simply based on the fact that it's day 1 on gamepass and that the performance is pretty shit on release, which they must've been aware of.

 

[Vic]

for NVIDIA users: people are reporting crashes with the new update, so might be better to hold off on the update for now

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1716740/discussions/0/3824174554264878616/

 

[Rhobar121]

To emphasize even more how much 6 million is a shitty result. According to unofficial data, BG3 has sold approximately 5.5 million copies on Steam alone (data from last month).
We're talking about a game whose only advertisement was bear sex.

Starfield has at least one DLC planned, and my guess is 2-3, each DLC release will pump sales. They'll also re-release it again as a "complete" edition, which more people will buy. They are probably less concerned with immediate numbers and are taking a more long term approach with this. Simply based on the fact that it's day 1 on gamepass and that the performance is pretty shit on release, which they must've been aware of.

Limit copium. Every developer hopes to sell as many copies as possible on release day, when the hype is greatest. How many casuals will remember the game in 2-3 months?
The game definitely won't be the next Skyrim. The difference in perception of this game is extremely different from Skyrim. I don't see a million versions of F4, but Skyrim has tons of versions for different platforms.

 

[Maxie]

To emphasize even more how much 6 million is a shitty result. According to unofficial data, BG3 has sold approximately 5.5 million copies on Steam alone (data from last month).
We're talking about a game whose only advertisement was bear sex.

Starfield has at least one DLC planned, and my guess is 2-3, each DLC release will pump sales. They'll also re-release it again as a "complete" edition, which more people will buy. They are probably less concerned with immediate numbers and are taking a more long term approach with this. Simply based on the fact that it's day 1 on gamepass and that the performance is pretty shit on release, which they must've been aware of.

Limit copium. Every developer hopes to sell as many copies as possible on release day, when the hype is greatest. How many casuals will remember the game in 2-3 months?
The game definitely won't be the next Skyrim. The difference in perception of this game is extremely different from Skyrim. I don't see a million versions of F4, but Skyrim has tons of versions for different platforms.

Numbers are frightening Fallout 4 kinda implies you need to play the three before them even though it's not the case at all
Skyrim is consciously advertised as Skyrim, it being the fifth mainline TES game is almost an embarrassing afterthought

 

[Rhobar121]

To emphasize even more how much 6 million is a shitty result. According to unofficial data, BG3 has sold approximately 5.5 million copies on Steam alone (data from last month).
We're talking about a game whose only advertisement was bear sex.

Starfield has at least one DLC planned, and my guess is 2-3, each DLC release will pump sales. They'll also re-release it again as a "complete" edition, which more people will buy. They are probably less concerned with immediate numbers and are taking a more long term approach with this. Simply based on the fact that it's day 1 on gamepass and that the performance is pretty shit on release, which they must've been aware of.

Limit copium. Every developer hopes to sell as many copies as possible on release day, when the hype is greatest. How many casuals will remember the game in 2-3 months?
The game definitely won't be the next Skyrim. The difference in perception of this game is extremely different from Skyrim. I don't see a million versions of F4, but Skyrim has tons of versions for different platforms.

Numbers are frightening Fallout 4 kinda implies you need to play the three before them even though it's not the case at all
Skyrim is consciously advertised as Skyrim, it being the fifth mainline TES game is almost an embarrassing afterthought

Even the biggest idiot surely noticed the 5 in the title and in all the trailers he saw. The game also had overwhelmingly positive reception at the time.

 

[Ancient76]

Pretty sure that the game is a flop. 7 years of paying hundreds of people and couldn't even beat tranny simulator 3. Those "6 million" claim is around of 200 mil profit,at optimal. That is hardly their operational cost for 7 years and marketing lol.

Ahaha hardly a flop. Wait till the modding tools release and you will have a lot of people returning to play such is the nature of bethesda games.

The nature of Bethesda games is laziness, superficiality, contradiction, intelligence insulting, etc. And the saddest thing is that many people are ok with this.
Btw, modders should not fix any game.

Long time ago i went to the Bethesda forum, to ask people why they play their mediocre games. Their answer was that they imagine things!? They play and imagine things that obviously do not exist in these games!
I told them that they are not normal!

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

it's the same old engine

techically they're using Creation Engine 2 for Starfield and the upcoming TESVI

https://gamingintel.com/starfield-new-game-engine/

You misspelled Netimmerse.

It's the same old engine that they've slapped new code into, just like they always do. They called it a new engine with Skyrim too, but it was clear that it was the same old engine once people played it.

It's a Frankenstein engine that's been around since 1997.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

I can't help but think that there must be a more elegant way they could have handled this.

They did surprisingly well, considering they're working with a 26-year-old game engine. Much of what any game does is fakery, and this is no different.

That said, yes, it would be much better to have everything exist in the same space. No loading screens, no fake ship exteriors or interiors.

But that would require a whole new engine and Todd and co have been avoiding that the majority of their careers.

 

[Rhobar121]

I can't help but think that there must be a more elegant way they could have handled this.

They did surprisingly well, considering they're working with a 26-year-old game engine. Much of what any game does is fakery, and this is no different.

That said, yes, it would be much better to have everything exist in the same space. No loading screens, no fake ship exteriors or interiors.

But that would require a whole new engine and Todd and co have been avoiding that the majority of their careers.

It would be enough to provide the player only one planetary system with hand-made content and not go through all this absurdity.

 

[Cryomancer]

This song never gets old :

To emphasize even more how much 6 million is a shitty result. According to unofficial data, BG3 has sold approximately 5.5 million copies on Steam alone (data from last month).
We're talking about a game whose only advertisement was bear sex.

And in Consoles? I assume that Baizuo's Gate 3 will sell more in pc and starfield in consoles.

How many casuals will remember the gamen 2 i-3 months?

Well said. Most casuals buy on launch and sales tends to drop a lot after few weeks.

It's the same old engine that they've slapped new code into, just like they always do. They called it a new engine with Skyrim too, but it was clear that it was the same old engine once people played it.

It's a Frankenstein engine that's been around since 1997.

I would't be surprised if Bugthesda steals part of openmw engine for their next game. With a lot of mods, in their proprietary engine tends to crash a lot. With openmw, I can run morrowind with lots and lots of mods and things just works.

And the engine still not even close to 1.0 release.

But that would require a whole new engine and Todd and co have been avoiding that the majority of their careers.

You can have everything in a single "scene", there are mods which does that for skyrim, is just that the game would need to be far more optimized as much more stuff would be loaded at the same time. IF the game performance is trash without having to load every single ""interior"", imagine having to load much more "objects"...

And changing a engine is not easy. You need to re train your entire team and can take years for someone proficient in a engine to become relative productive in the new engine.

 

[Maxie]

To emphasize even more how much 6 million is a shitty result. According to unofficial data, BG3 has sold approximately 5.5 million copies on Steam alone (data from last month).
We're talking about a game whose only advertisement was bear sex.

Starfield has at least one DLC planned, and my guess is 2-3, each DLC release will pump sales. They'll also re-release it again as a "complete" edition, which more people will buy. They are probably less concerned with immediate numbers and are taking a more long term approach with this. Simply based on the fact that it's day 1 on gamepass and that the performance is pretty shit on release, which they must've been aware of.

Limit copium. Every developer hopes to sell as many copies as possible on release day, when the hype is greatest. How many casuals will remember the game in 2-3 months?
The game definitely won't be the next Skyrim. The difference in perception of this game is extremely different from Skyrim. I don't see a million versions of F4, but Skyrim has tons of versions for different platforms.

Numbers are frightening Fallout 4 kinda implies you need to play the three before them even though it's not the case at all
Skyrim is consciously advertised as Skyrim, it being the fifth mainline TES game is almost an embarrassing afterthought

Even the biggest idiot surely noticed the 5 in the title and in all the trailers he saw. The game also had overwhelmingly positive reception at the time.

Tell me, does anyone refer to Skyrim as TES5 around the places you yourself frequent

 

[Rhobar121]

But that would require a whole new engine and Todd and co have been avoiding that the majority of their careers.

You can have everything in a single "scene", there are mods which does that for skyrim, is just that the game would need to be far more optimized as much more stuff would be loaded at the same time. IF the game performance is trash without having to load every single ""interior"", imagine having to load much more "objects"...

And changing a engine is not easy. You need to re train your entire team and can take years for someone proficient in a engine to become relative productive in the new engine.

Considering what the game looks like, most of the work was probably done by a bunch of Asians anyway.

 

[Rhobar121]

 

[Vic]

To emphasize even more how much 6 million is a shitty result. According to unofficial data, BG3 has sold approximately 5.5 million copies on Steam alone (data from last month).
We're talking about a game whose only advertisement was bear sex.

Starfield has at least one DLC planned, and my guess is 2-3, each DLC release will pump sales. They'll also re-release it again as a "complete" edition, which more people will buy. They are probably less concerned with immediate numbers and are taking a more long term approach with this. Simply based on the fact that it's day 1 on gamepass and that the performance is pretty shit on release, which they must've been aware of.

Limit copium. Every developer hopes to sell as many copies as possible on release day, when the hype is greatest. How many casuals will remember the game in 2-3 months?
The game definitely won't be the next Skyrim. The difference in perception of this game is extremely different from Skyrim. I don't see a million versions of F4, but Skyrim has tons of versions for different platforms.

Starfield is the most played single player game on steam, it reached a milestone of over 1 million concurrent players across all platforms. You always take risks if you attempt something new. Skyrim was the 5th elder scrolls game, meaning they had 4 iterations beforehand to perfect their formula. With Starfield they are building on their previous Fallout games but are also taking a completely novel approach, one of which we have not yet seen in RPGs.

If they wanted to maximize their sales they wouldn't have released it day 1 on gamepass. Also, considering how different the game is, and that there's really nothing quite like it out there, I'm pretty sure they expected it not to be wildly popular on release. Compared to a safe bet like a fantasy RPG, starfield is pioneering the field using AI/proc gen in combination with RPG gameplay.

And no Starfield is not a No Man's Sky, nor does it attempt to be one.

https://www.ign.com/articles/starfield-seamless-fly-space-to-planet-not-important-todd-howard

 

[Konjad]

To emphasize even more how much 6 million is a shitty result. According to unofficial data, BG3 has sold approximately 5.5 million copies on Steam alone (data from last month).
We're talking about a game whose only advertisement was bear sex.

Starfield has at least one DLC planned, and my guess is 2-3, each DLC release will pump sales. They'll also re-release it again as a "complete" edition, which more people will buy. They are probably less concerned with immediate numbers and are taking a more long term approach with this. Simply based on the fact that it's day 1 on gamepass and that the performance is pretty shit on release, which they must've been aware of.

Limit copium. Every developer hopes to sell as many copies as possible on release day, when the hype is greatest. How many casuals will remember the game in 2-3 months?
The game definitely won't be the next Skyrim. The difference in perception of this game is extremely different from Skyrim. I don't see a million versions of F4, but Skyrim has tons of versions for different platforms.

Starfield is the most played single player game on steam, it reached a milestone of over 1 million concurrent players across all platforms. You always take risks if you attempt something new. Skyrim was the 5th elder scrolls game, meaning they had 4 iterations beforehand to perfect their formula. With Starfield they are building on their previous Fallout games but are also taking a completely novel approach, one of which we have not yet seen in RPGs.

Taking risks ad a completely novel approach by making essentially a copy-paste game out of their previous. Brave new Bethesda!

 

[Rhobar121]

To emphasize even more how much 6 million is a shitty result. According to unofficial data, BG3 has sold approximately 5.5 million copies on Steam alone (data from last month).
We're talking about a game whose only advertisement was bear sex.

Starfield has at least one DLC planned, and my guess is 2-3, each DLC release will pump sales. They'll also re-release it again as a "complete" edition, which more people will buy. They are probably less concerned with immediate numbers and are taking a more long term approach with this. Simply based on the fact that it's day 1 on gamepass and that the performance is pretty shit on release, which they must've been aware of.

Limit copium. Every developer hopes to sell as many copies as possible on release day, when the hype is greatest. How many casuals will remember the game in 2-3 months?
The game definitely won't be the next Skyrim. The difference in perception of this game is extremely different from Skyrim. I don't see a million versions of F4, but Skyrim has tons of versions for different platforms.

Starfield is the most played single player game on steam, it reached a milestone of over 1 million concurrent players across all platforms. You always take risks if you attempt something new. Skyrim was the 5th elder scrolls game, meaning they had 4 iterations beforehand to perfect their formula. With Starfield they are building on their previous Fallout games but are also taking a completely novel approach, one of which we have not yet seen in RPGs.

So now BG3 is suddenly a multiplayer game? The game was advertised as an SP game with optional multiplayer. MP is also not a feature that most players will use.
If it were the other way around, then of course it wouldn't matter for you.
As you can see, doing the same game since Oblivion finally stopped working.
I bet that if you try, you can easily create a long compilation of Starfield bugs that was in Morrowind.

To paraphrase, if reality does not match the delusions, so much the worse for reality.

 

[Vic]

As you can see, doing the same game since Oblivion finally stopped working.

It's not the same game tho, just look at the complaints by people who have enjoyed previous bethesda games. The biggest difference is that it doesn't have a singular, hand-crafted open world.

I've also edited my above post to elaborate further.