Vapourware Steam is (NO LONGER) charging for mods now lmao

[CyberP]

"I play RPG's largely for my IMMURSHUNS.."

As I say to Draq and others of this opinion, immersion should be the icing on the cake, not the absolute priority.

Why not?

Because that is a very narrow focus.

Puzzles don't also have to be antithetical to immersion either, not sure where you got that from. See Arx Fatalis, the code hidden from "the worms" in System Shock 2 and so on.
Not to mention Skyrim is a fantasy setting with dragons and magic and whatnot, so some rules as we understand them can be broken, within reason,with the excuse of "Hah, it was MAGIC!".

 

[Immortal]

"I play RPG's largely for my IMMURSHUNS.."

As I say to Draq and others of this opinion, immersion should be the icing on the cake, not the absolute priority.

Why not?

Because that is a very narrow focus.

Puzzles don't also have to be antithetical to immersion either. See Arx Fatalis, the puzzle hidden from "the worms" in System Shock 2 and so on.

I wasn't trying to make that argument.. I just don't like puzzles and I don't really want them in an RPG. If I wanted to do puzzles I would play Portal or buy a rubix cube.

Beyond that, I mostly agree with you on manboons needing variety.. It's when your argument creeps into RPG's can't be good without dungeon puzzles logic.. That is 100% your feels and just not factual.

 

[mastroego]

posted @ 3:50, 30 Apr 2015

I've decided that I won't be removing my mods that were here on the Nexus. After giving this matter more thought I decided that while some have shown they don't deserve free mods there are still those that do. Those that do deserve these free mods should not be punished because of what those that don't have done. These mods are my final contributions and I will not be updating them nor releasing anymore free mods. I wish you all the best of luck and hope you have fun with these mods that I gave away out of charity.

mods that I gave away out of charity.

out of charity

charity

perhaps he could spare some beverage too?

 

[CyberP]

Actually you misquoted here, but I agree with Draq on this point.
Skyrim's dungeons are fine, actually better than those of most games.
Maybe you've just seen a few of the more ordinary ones.

Your opinion sucks. At least give reasoning as to why you think mindlessness is fine.

I played at least 40 dungeons expecting things to get more interesting. Maybe I do suffer from a degree of insanity.

 

[mastroego]

Your opinion sucks.

*Reads poster's tags*
Uh, sure, whatever you say..

 

[CyberP]

That's fine. Most manboons resort to logical fallacies when they have no logic or meaning to offer. I've come to expect as much.

 

[jcd]

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[Immortal]

CyberP is a model Codexer.

Anyone who judges people by their tags is a massive faggot.

 

[Orma]

Visually-speaking they stepped up their game. Gameplay-wise on the other hand they went in the other direction. Morrowind's dungeons had verticality/platforming, sometimes hazardous swimming, sometimes they had interesting puzzles, they didn't have scaled enemies, not every dungeon was a mindless slog through dreughs (exaggeration), and of course they didn't have that almost guaranteed goddamn circuit layout. Gameplay-wise Skyrim's dungeons are very similar to each other and undemanding. This isn't an accusation.

Anyway, thanks for the info.

Actually you misquoted here, but I agree with Draq on this point.
Skyrim's dungeons are fine, actually better than those of most games.
Maybe you've just seen a few of the more ordinary ones.

What? They are horrible, all you do is kill draugrs (or whatever) 24/7.

 

[jcd]

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[mastroego]

CyberP is a model Codexer.

Anyone who judges people by their tags is a massive faggot.

In case you haven't noticed, he started the debate with me with this enlightened line:
"Your opinion sucks."
So I didn't judge him by his tags, I simply judged his tags to be appropriate and decided not to waste time, which is a very different thing.
Now, let me check your tags...

 

[CyberP]

Your opinion does suck, faggot. This is only enlightening to you

 

[Immortal]

My working hypothesis is that someone at Beth simply didn't grasp the concept of puzzle when they were making Skyrim.

Of course not. They simply intentionally made them extremely basic to reach a larger audience. You can see the intentional dummyfication throughout most of the game's design.

I've read a justification that kinda makes sense, although it could be just fanboyism trying to save face for Bethesda: Apparently the "puzzles" in Skyrim's dungeons aren't meant to be puzzles at all. They're just something to keep the dumb but fierce draugr locked in, while still accessible to the humans.

I can't think of a single puzzle except maybe the dungeon with the daedric dawnbreaker sword or whatever.. and even that would be described LOOSELY as a puzzle..

The rest are usually "Shoot the left eye of the statue.. where there's a note that says "Iv tried the right eye, mouth, nose and ears" laying infront of it.

That's not bad.. I don't care about puzzles.. These type of non-puzzles are for immersion basically.. or they are just gated content (Need a black dragon claw.. time to go find it) I don't see why puzzle's must exist to make a good RPG.. like of all the things wrong with Skyrim, this was the deal breaker for people?

Please..

 

[CyberP]

like of all the things wrong with Skyrim, this was the deal breaker for people?

Please..

Why are you jumping to conclusions? We were talking about the many things that makes Skyrim's dungeons shit.
The puzzles aren't engaging. They are are insult. either put some fucking effort (do not copy paste) and balls (make them a little more engaging) in, or do not include puzzles at all.

Are you aware the most common of these tasks are essentially the same in function to baby training toys:

you take the image and match it with another.

That's not bad.. I don't care about puzzles.. These type of non-puzzles are for immersion basically...

Baby training is soooo immersive for immortal. Faggot.

Play Arx Fatalis and then get back to me.

 

[toroid]

I think the "puzzles are just there to keep the draugr locked" is just a lazily engineered excuse to explain away how simplified and accessible the game was made to be.

 

[Immortal]

like of all the things wrong with Skyrim, this was the deal breaker for people?

Please..

Why are you jumping to conclusions? We were talking about the many things that makes Skyrim's dungeons shit.
The puzzles aren't engaging. They are are insult. either put some fucking effort (do not copy paste) and balls (make them a little more engaging) in, or do not include puzzles at all.

Are you aware the most common of these tasks are essentially the same in function to baby training toys:

you take the image and match it with another.

That's not bad.. I don't care about puzzles.. These type of non-puzzles are for immersion basically...

Baby training is soooo immersive for immortal. Faggot.

Play Arx Fatalis and then get back to me.

I've played Arx Fatalis.. It's alright. Not very immersive though.

 

[CyberP]

I've played Arx Fatalis.. It's alright. Not very immersive though.

Arx is highly immersive. Just about everything takes into consideration immersion/simulation, more so than Skyrim, without conflicting with gameplay either.

 

[Immortal]

I've played Arx Fatalis.. It's alright. Not very immersive though.

Arx is highly immersive. Just about everything takes into consideration immersion/simulation, more so than Skyrim, without conflicting with gameplay either.

But it has bad graphics and it's confusing.. I didn't know where to go.. The sequel Dishonored was way better.

 

[Orma]

What the fuck is this ''muh immershun'' talk anyway? Immortal is an autist?

 

[Rezz]

Totalbiscuit talking about this entire shitstorm, with guests (I just started listening to it)

There isn't much here, very little on consumer protections, which should be expected from TB. A lot of ego stroking from the modder and dancing around the issues while calling everyone 14 year olds and entitled.

Spoiler

Another note, TB needs to figure out which it is.

 

[Immortal]

There isn't much here, very little on consumer protections, which should be expected from TB. A lot of ego stroking from the modder and dancing around the issues while calling everyone 14 year olds and entitled.

Wow you can tell just when he introduces himself that this modder is hugely stuck up his own ass.. This gonna be good..

 

[toroid]

Stopped listening after what he says starting at 19:16. Bunch of damage control faggotry.

 

[CyberP]

But it has bad graphics and it's confusing.. I didn't know where to go.. The sequel Dishonored was way better.

You're just trolling, right? This place is meant to be hardcore, demanding and have high standards goddamn it.

Immortal is an autist?

Yes.

 

[Immortal]

But it has bad graphics and it's confusing.. I didn't know where to go.. The sequel Dishonored was way better.

You're just trolling, right? This place is meant to be hardcore, demanding and have high standards goddamn it.

Immortal is an autist?

Yes.

Stopped listening after what he says starting at 19:16. Bunch of damage control faggotry.

If you endure a bit longer, they start throwing Midas Magic under the bus hard.. I loved it.

 

[meanwhileInPoland]

Lol Skyrims dungeons No amount of mods can heal that cancerous turd. You faggs better play Dragons Dogma: Dark Arisen for some quality and immersive dungeons,