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Stellaris - Paradox new sci-fi grand strategy game

Tyrr

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I read the AI will not use the new leader system?
Have they finally given up on having to "update" the AI after every new DLC?
It happened every time, a new DLC changed stuff and the AI couldn't handle it.
 

Mortmal

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I read the AI will not use the new leader system?
Have they finally given up on having to "update" the AI after every new DLC?
It happened every time, a new DLC changed stuff and the AI couldn't handle it.
Hope it's not the case, the player does not need an extra buff for an already unchallenging game.
 

Trithne

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I read the AI will not use the new leader system?
Have they finally given up on having to "update" the AI after every new DLC?
It happened every time, a new DLC changed stuff and the AI couldn't handle it.

They can't recruit the paragons.

Also I don't understand how hiring a scientist gives me +3 alloy income. You're telling me this one dude on a spaceship can shit out an alloy income equivalent to 1/3rd of Earth in 2200? Impressive I guess...

It's not even the scientist that does it, it's the chair. As long as someone is sitting in it, you get benefits.
 

BrotherFrank

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The concept of paragons, aka some preset special snowflake individuals in a game like stellaris that is supposed to be about your custom dudes/civ , offends me on a spiritual level.

This isn’t like leviathans or the story chains where making them rng would be more work then the devs can handle, I maintain that mods did all this leader stuff better.
 
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Oh btw they basically broke the game. Your leader cap is 6. You basically can't employ any governors or any admirals from the start of the game since you need all scientists and the cap doesn't go up much so you'll probably never use governors (and of course no one used generals before but now you really don't). In an update focused around leaders, most of your fleets and all of your planets outside the home sector will go leaderless.

It's not even the scientist that does it, it's the chair. As long as someone is sitting in it, you get benefits.
Nope there are traits that do that too.

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It's just stupid magic resources out of nowhere that make no sense at all.

The concept of paragons, aka some preset special snowflake individuals in a game like stellaris that is supposed to be about your custom dudes/civ , offends me on a spiritual level.

This isn’t like leviathans or the story chains where making them rng would be more work then the devs can handle, I maintain that mods did all this leader stuff better.

Yeah this too.
 

Fedora Master

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It's honestly kinda amazing how they managed to cap leaders yet also increased the need to click shit constantly when they level up.

e: Didn't help that I picked Eager Explorers because that only adds even more pointless micro to the start of the game
 
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Ravielsk

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And here I was getting my hopes up that Stellaris left the bullshit of 2.2 in the past but I see the devs still do not know how their own game works nor are quick enough to recognize their own fuck up. A leader cap 6 at the start and 11 at the end is fundamentally at odds with how the leaders function in Stellaris and essentially makes every leader type outside of scientist and admiral worthless. Hell, the AI supposedly cannot even use the new leader system which only further points to PDX having no idea how the system is even supposed to work.

I heard some PDX bottoms defending it as setup for future DLC that will include internal politics but unless that is coming out be the end of the week that is simply just another cope from people who probably do not even play the game.
 

BrotherFrank

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Tbh Paradox breaking a game system with a current DLC to sell you another DLC down the line is something I can entirely believe.
 

thesecret1

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Took the game for a long spin again. Late game is pure pain. Every planet you acquire is another shithole to fix up and manage, and the AI loves spamming habitats everywhere. Megastructures like the ringworld are just the cherry on top, as if what you wanted were four more fucking planets. Even with lowest setting for habitable worlds, there's still an absolute shitload of them wherever you turn. There ought to be a setting where there's like five times less of them, I swear. And prohibiting the AI from habitat spam. I swear they build like five in every other system they own, all of them utterly shitty and worthless.
 

Alpharius

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Lol, i've had like 10 fleets at the end of my last determined exterminators game, are they supposed to be without commanders now? Also i wouldn't be surprised if AI will have all the cap taken up by governors and generals.

Btw whats up with mercenary enclaves? + 15% naval capacity and a large fleet with x2 or x3 of my maximum fleet size that gets reinforced for free for x credits per 10 years (was 10000 at the end for me).

Why did they think this was a good idea? Though at least the AI seems to (ab)use this too.
 
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Took the game for a long spin again. Late game is pure pain. Every planet you acquire is another shithole to fix up and manage, and the AI loves spamming habitats everywhere. Megastructures like the ringworld are just the cherry on top, as if what you wanted were four more fucking planets. Even with lowest setting for habitable worlds, there's still an absolute shitload of them wherever you turn. There ought to be a setting where there's like five times less of them, I swear. And prohibiting the AI from habitat spam. I swear they build like five in every other system they own, all of them utterly shitty and worthless.
The meta is to just vassalize every AI and tax them. Vassals still get difficulty cheats and you profit more because of that, and since your empire size doesn't go up from vassals you'll research faster this way. Basically the only thin you need to produce yourself is alloys and maybe a little research. It's actually absurdly broken and also shows how little gameplay is left once you don't have to micromanage every fucking building on 50 different planets whenever a new pop grows.
 

thesecret1

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The meta is to just vassalize every AI and tax them. Vassals still get difficulty cheats and you profit more because of that, and since your empire size doesn't go up from vassals you'll research faster this way. Basically the only thin you need to produce yourself is alloys and maybe a little research. It's actually absurdly broken and also shows how little gameplay is left once you don't have to micromanage every fucking building on 50 different planets whenever a new pop grows.
I already figured but, as you said, shit's boring. Wanted to use all those fleets I made, yet at the same time, conquering stuff was a pain due to having to manage it. What a horrible dilemma to have in a game.
 

Storyfag

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The meta is to just vassalize every AI and tax them. Vassals still get difficulty cheats and you profit more because of that, and since your empire size doesn't go up from vassals you'll research faster this way. Basically the only thin you need to produce yourself is alloys and maybe a little research. It's actually absurdly broken and also shows how little gameplay is left once you don't have to micromanage every fucking building on 50 different planets whenever a new pop grows.
I already figured but, as you said, shit's boring. Wanted to use all those fleets I made, yet at the same time, conquering stuff was a pain due to having to manage it. What a horrible dilemma to have in a game.
Nuke enemy planets with a World Cracker Colossus, then?
 

thesecret1

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The meta is to just vassalize every AI and tax them. Vassals still get difficulty cheats and you profit more because of that, and since your empire size doesn't go up from vassals you'll research faster this way. Basically the only thin you need to produce yourself is alloys and maybe a little research. It's actually absurdly broken and also shows how little gameplay is left once you don't have to micromanage every fucking building on 50 different planets whenever a new pop grows.
I already figured but, as you said, shit's boring. Wanted to use all those fleets I made, yet at the same time, conquering stuff was a pain due to having to manage it. What a horrible dilemma to have in a game.
Nuke enemy planets with a World Cracker Colossus, then?
Doesn't doing that make you galactic public enemy #1, where diplomacy is practically impossible? Not that that's that big an issue since my fleet is usually the size of everyone else's combined at that point in the game, but I wanted to have just one game where I play around with the galactic community stuff, vassal shit, etc. rather than declaring exterminatus on any alien world I see.
 

thesecret1

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Does it even work with pirated copies? I hope none of you guys are being whaled by paradox dlc model
 

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