STG interview at NMA

[Dementia Praecox]

Oh, evil evil Bethesda! But the Codex was "blacklisted" (a rather strong word) because of it's then abundant tubgirl and porn posts, not its criticism of the game. How ridiculous, geekwars!

The official and actual explanation for blacklisting differs just as much for the Codex, as the described official and actual reasons for STG being blacklisted. I mean, come on! Even if the Codex and STG likes to point out and brag about the fact that they are blacklisted, doesn't negate the fact that mods at the Beth-forums are systematically investing some serious time in removing links to both the Codex and STG. You're a bright fella, surely you can see the stupidity in this?

While not having any links to provide right now, I'm fairly sure there has been posted examples from TESF of links to sites and forums where they allow for the same foul language, and even have porn banners, that are allowed to stay an even with mods partaking in active discussion.

 

[dagorkan]

Because when the review came was when the Codex began to be a problem. Before no ESFers would even know about the Codex or differing views - and also wouldn't have been as at much risk of viewing 'shock porn'. So it can be either and you're all wrong, admit it.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Exactly. Go and post a link to DAC and see what happens. Nothing. For awhile DAC was sucking up and playing very nice, so they scored an interview with Todd and were exchanging emails and love letters with Pete. This is the Bethesda's way: punish those who dare to criticize, reward those who give them A+ reviews.

Remember the Russian two-parts preview? They forced the stupid Russkies to kill the part 2 which was about dialogues and quests (the weakest points), promising them something in return after the game was released (don't remember now what it was. A good interview?). After the game was released, they said fuck off. Nice people.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Because when the review came was when the Codex began to be a problem. Before no ESFers would even know about the Codex or differing views ...

Uh, no. The Codex was a well known place on ESF way before the review. Like I said, kathode and MSFD have been posting here for a year, so all their quotes and links to them were reposted on ESF, and there's been many discussions with references to the Codex.

 

[Dementia Praecox]

Remember the Russian two-parts preview? They forced the stupid Russkies to kill the part 2 which was about dialogues and quests (the weakest points), promising them something in return after the game was released (don't remember now what it was. A good interview?). After the game was released, they said fuck off. Nice people.

Haha, that's really what happened? I remember wondering where that last part went. Perhaps something along those lines happened with the Optimizing Oblivion-articles at RPGdot. Or, not really. Probably had more to do with Rendelius realizing what shit game he went about optimizing. Do you know if the Russkies still have that second part? They could publish it now, along with a big fuck you to Bethesda.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Who cares about it now? They had one chance to tell everyone that the writing sucks and that the quests are lame, but Bethesda tricked them and now it's too late.

 

[Dementia Praecox]

Who cares about it now? They had one chance to tell everyone that the writing sucks and that the quests are lame, but Bethesda tricked them and now it's too late.

Well, if they're as bitter as us, they could incorporate it in a well written hate-article about Beth. Something along the lines of "WHAT BETHESDA DIDN'T WANT YOU TO SEE" or "THE TRUTH ABOUT BETHESDA HYPE-MACHINERY", just as the hype about Fallout 3 starts. If anything, it could help the fopatriots-initiative along the way, amongst the illiterate Russians. Of course this would mean they most likely won't get any exclusive lies about Fallout 3, though.

 

[Volourn]

"Going by the reviews of Star Trek Legacy, I'd say they messed up here.


They missed up by apparantly publishing a bad game; not by 'blacklisting'a fansite. Most customers likely don't care about that.

 

[Brother None]

Most customers likely don't care about that.

Because you're a model customer?

Please note

 

[Volourn]

Another fan site thinking they're more pwoerful than they actually are.

Remember, folks, FOBOS did poorly not because most people didn't like it; but because the Codex and other FO fansites bashed it.

 

[mister lamat]

trekkie1: I'm mad as hell and I'll go to any EXTREME to show them!!!!

trekkie2: Are you sure captain? Do you need anything?

trekkie1: I'll need blogs, lots of them!

you can replace trekkie with nma tosspot and the joke will still work! it's majick!

 

[Atrokkus]

Well, if they're as bitter as us, they could incorporate it in a well written hate-article about Beth. Something along the lines of "WHAT BETHESDA DIDN'T WANT YOU TO SEE" or "THE TRUTH ABOUT BETHESDA HYPE-MACHINERY", just as the hype about Fallout 3 starts. If anything, it could help the fopatriots-initiative along the way, amongst the illiterate Russians. Of course this would mean they most likely won't get any exclusive lies about Fallout 3, though.

Well, in my new feature on Bethesda and FO3 I'll do a review of the most glaring things Bethesda pulled off, and of course the cursed preview will be part of it.
For AG.ru such a provocating feature would call unneeded attention and warp their reputation somewhat -- they are, after all, the ultimate IGN of Russian internet (no offense here, they really do their job well -- well sponsored, too).

 

[Vault Dweller]

For AG.ru such a provocating feature would call unneeded attention...

We can't have that, can we?

... and warp their reputation somewhat

God forbid someone would think they have balls.

 

[Victor1st]

How much money does this ST fansite make? A lot less than betehsda. Bethesda knows what theya re doing. This fansite doesn't.

Game over, MAN, game over.

No doubt he's probably saying this thinkign that the admin of the said ST fansite wasn't here, newsflash! I registered...just to answer your little gem of a post.

On the subject of what money we make. None, we host literally everything for free and the site is ran on donations.

As for what I personally know about the ST gaming franchise? More than you since from 1992 to 1997 i worked in the franchise and then from 1997 to 1999 i jumped around between a few other publishers/developers before quitting the gaming industry and work altogether due to a heart condition which i still suffer from.

In 1999 when the original version of the STG first opened the gaming world of Star Trek was on a high. We had games like Starfleet Command out which was making good, but not great progress. Myself and the original site went on the record saying that the franchise needed shooting games or it will ultimately die off. We got panned and criticised left and right by the then old guard of trek gaming, the Interplay Old Guard who were happy and safe with the SFC franchise...6 months later Activision released Star Trek: Armada...a copy of StarCraft citing that "Star Trek PC Gaming needs something new akin to the shooting style of games", 6 months after that they released Star Trek: Elite Force, a Quake game with Star Trek skins. STG said it first, Dan Haggerty (then heading Activision in trek gaming said on the record in the old Star Trek: Armada official boards that we "got it right".

In 2001 when Activision took over the entire franchise from Interplay and MicroProse, Activision made the announcement that they would be making new IP multi era games, just like Legacy is. I called them out right on the front page of the STG saying they wont. Low and behold, they didnt.

in 2002 when Activision said that they would be releasing new IP multi era games I called them out AGAIN saying that they will release nothing but sequels since Activision at that point in time were starting to play it safe...low and behold, the next 2 games were? Ohhh, you dont know? Well, let me tell you...

Star Trek: Armada II

Star Trek: Starfleet Command III

At the end of 2002 i called Activision out AGAIN saying that by the end of 2003 they wont be around in the franchise...gues what happened next? Yeah, they released ANOTHER sequel in early 2003 called Elite Force 2 and 2 days after release they left the franchise by filing a lawsuit against ViaCom, the majority franchise golder of Star Trek.

Thats why Activision were the first of the 4 original publishers of Star Trek gaming to blackball us, simple cause we knew the track record of the Star Trek gaming franchise coupled with the track record of Activision itself. The same holds true for what is happening right here, right now with Bethesda. They are making the exact same mistakes that Activision made in 2000, they are underestimating the oldest Star Trek gaming site out there. Fan sites like Codex, NMA and the STG and all other fansites should not "stay silent" cause we dont make enough money, what, ya think we live in russia in the mid 50's? I dont, i live in Scotland and as people will tell you, scottish folks speak their mind.

It aint my fault that Legacy sucked and it aint my fault that as a fansite I am voicing the opinions of the majority of the PC gaming fanbase.

Here's another prediction for Star Trek gaming in the near future. I belevie Bethesda will start to concentrate on the consoles and gradually fade out the PC franchise as a loss after the events of Legacy. So far ive been 100% right with the predictions i know and this little trend of releasing cranky games from Bethesda in the trek franchise will cause a nuclear fallout (pardon the pun) into the other franchise holdings that this company has, including the Elder Scrolls and the Fallout franchise. Bethesda Softworks took on a franchise in the form of Star Trek that was already damaged by Activision, the damage that Bethesda has caused with Leagacy means that the PC franchise for Trek is now a dead horse, NOTHING will revive it for the next 3 years cause no one will trust them anymore.

This is what all you fallout fans have to grapple with in the future...a publisher who makes serious misjudgements and then covers them up by silencing the critical fansites.

 

[Volourn]

"For AG.ru such a provocating feature would call unneeded attention and warp their reputation somewhat -- they are, after all, the ultimate IGN of Russian internet (no offense here, they really do their job well -- well sponsored, too)."

For some reason, I don't see Betehsda being too concerned what the Russian market thinks of them. The ST forum, and even the Codex likely has more influence than anything out of Russia. I very much doubt Russis is a key demographic for Bethesda games.

R00fles!

 

[Victor1st]

"For AG.ru such a provocating feature would call unneeded attention and warp their reputation somewhat -- they are, after all, the ultimate IGN of Russian internet (no offense here, they really do their job well -- well sponsored, too)."

For soem reason, I don't see Betehsda being too concerned what the Russian market things of them. The ST forum, and even the Codex likely has more influence than anything out of Russia. I very much doubt Russis is a key demographic for Bethesda games.

R00fles!

TOUCHE!

"ROFLCOPTERS!" as they are now saying in the official Star Trek gaming bethesda boards. Bad analogy with russia, but you get my point. I remember the days of Quake (yes, the original quake) and the all out flame wars which happened on the old BBS systems of the time. Those were the days when gaming fans for the PC cared. Now it's all graphics and "ohhhhhh loooooook at that high textured ship flying past!".

What they dont realise is the game codeing core sucks and the developer of the game is 3rd rate and the publisher of the game has a non existant QC department.

 

[Volourn]

I think you meant to respond to someone else's post; not mine. Outside of Russia, Bethesda, and Star Trek being mentioned in our two posts, there's little connection between the two.

 

[Hamster]

For AG.ru such a provocating feature would call unneeded attention and warp their reputation somewhat

,
How exactly it will affect their reputation when Beth already accused them of posting OMFG illegal screens? I think they just don't care, they are not beth-hating crpg-elitist community after all. :wink:

 

[Volourn]

"No doubt he's probably saying this thinkign that the admin of the said ST fansite wasn't here, newsflash! I registered...just to answer your little gem of a post. "

Your shit history means nothing to me. The fact you registered her just to respond to this loser (me, if you didn't figured out) is sadder than Bethesda worrying about a fansite.

P.S. I like ST. In fact, I love ST. I hate ST fanboys though. I'm glad ST games tend to suck too since it makes thoise ST fanboys whine even more.

R00fles!

 

[Bradylama]

Basically you've wasted your time, Victor.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

in 2002 when Activision said that they would be releasing new IP multi era games I called them out AGAIN saying that they will release nothing but sequels since Activision at that point in time were starting to play it safe...low and behold, the next 2 games were? Ohhh, you dont know? Well, let me tell you...

Star Trek: Armada II

Star Trek: Starfleet Command III

Star trek: Armada 2 was a game that should have never been made. Sure, the first one made a lot of money, but it wasn't well recieved. It was basically Warcraft 2 with four sides, units that were overly balanced to the point of every small ship being equivalent such as the Defiant equalling the Klingon Bird of Prey, and so on. Basically, in order to appeal to mainstream gamers, the size of the ship mattered more to how it fought than what the ship class history actually was. You don't have to be much of a Trekkie to know the Klingon Bird of Prey is an old, old, old ship and the defiant is a pretty new, high tech one. A few movies and a few episodes of DS9 would be enough.

SFC3 basically killed the SFC franchise, which was a fairly steady seller for Interplay.

 

[HardCode]

How much money does this ST fansite make? A lot less than betehsda. Bethesda knows what theya re doing. This fansite doesn't.

For the record, how much money do you make? That way we can dismiss your opinion whenever we find someone who earns more than you and who disagrees with you. I'm thinking that would almost be everyone here.

PWNED.

 

[Krafter]

...This is what all you fallout fans have to grapple with in the future...a publisher who makes serious misjudgements and then covers them up by silencing the critical fansites.

Great stuff, Victor, both here and in the NMA interview. Keep up the good fight.

 

[Volourn]

"For the record, how much money do you make? That way we can dismiss your opinion whenever we find someone who earns more than you and who disagrees with you. I'm thinking that would almost be everyone here."

How many her emake money making games? Only those like VD who make money making games (or will) meet the criteria.

Being a millionaire because you are a male prostitute for dogs ala Hardcode doesn't mean you know anything about games.

Game over.

P.S. I amke 1 cent an hour.

 

[Kraszu]

Haw about lets compare mcdonlad to local small restaurant if mcdonald makes more then it means that it serves better food.