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[Trash]

The sergeant pulled up beside them jogging and I heard him say just as I passed out of range. "That's PFC Cleve Blakemore. He's not from our planet. He's also on his second lap. He's already passed the entire field by about two kilometers. He doesn't get tired the way ordinary, run of the mill humans like you do."

Hahahahahahaha, oh god. This is extremely embarassing to read, even on a medium like the internet. Thanks chump, with that you just destroyed every last little bit of credibility each and every post of you has.

PS Great way how you refuted Jasede there. Shows that trying to debate like you is like bringing water to the sea or waiting for a monkey to write the works of Shakespeare.

 

[luckyb0y]

I think Cleve was just pulling your leg there. At least I hope he was. The whole superhuman thing seems to be some sort of Asperger's afflicted attempt at joking that we average humans can't really comprehend.

 

[Jeff Graw]

War at its heart is fueled by resource shortages. It is very simple to feed the whole world and live in peace and prosperity if people simply stop breeding beyond what it takes to replenish their populations, but even suggesting that crazy idea makes people call you a nazi. Stopping population growth should be the number one world priority.

You need to look at the underlying issues leading to overbreeding though. I'm unaware of any first world nation where the native population isn't shrinking. With very few exceptions birth control + peace + education = low fertility rates. However, that gives you a chicken and the egg situation: To accomplish peace and fund the proper educational facilities in the third world the scarcity of resources needs to end, but to end the scarcity of resources the fertility rate needs to be lower.

 

[Krancor]

War at its heart is fueled by resource shortages. It is very simple to feed the whole world and live in peace and prosperity if people simply stop breeding beyond what it takes to replenish their populations, but even suggesting that crazy idea makes people call you a nazi. Stopping population growth should be the number one world priority.

You need to look at the underlying issues leading to overbreeding though. I'm unaware of any first world nation where the native population isn't shrinking. With very few exceptions birth control + peace + education = low fertility rates. However, that gives you a chicken and the egg situation: To accomplish peace and fund the proper educational facilities in the third world the scarcity of resources needs to end, but to end the scarcity of resources the fertility rate needs to be lower.

The first world simply needs to give birth control to other countries instead of bibles and food.

@saint proverbius - There isn't enough food to feed the whole world on anything near what a westerner would consider a livable diet.

 

[kingcomrade]

The first world simply needs to give birth control to other countries instead of bibles and food.

Which planet do you live on, again?

@saint proverbius - There isn't enough food to feed the whole world on anything near what a westerner would consider a livable diet.

Source?

 

[Jeff Graw]

The first world simply needs to give birth control to other countries instead of bibles and food.

That would help, but by no means solve the problem as two of the underlying issues would still remain.

@saint proverbius - There isn't enough food to feed the whole world on anything near what a westerner would consider a livable diet.

Perhaps, perhaps not. But food production is only half the problem -- food transportation is just as important.

 

[dagorkan]

Europe could feed a lot of Africa if our leaders would let us. We've been sabotaging our agricultural industry for decades, and people like the journalists at the Economist tell us we should give up the rest of our agriculture and import food from Africa (comparative advantage free-trade bullshit), turning our farmland into nature reserves or tourist attractions for yuppies... except Africa fuckin' can't produce the food to feed itself. Apart from a few regions it would be physically impossible for them to grow enough to feed us at our current diets and themselves.

Anyway Europe has the most productive agricultural land in the world, the most professional farmers and the most modern equipment, it does not make an iota of sense to grow food elsewhere.

Of course Africans can't really afford our food (that's why we let it rot) so there would have to be a government program to subsidize it. Yes it would mean African farmers would not be able to 'compete' but at least they wouldn't be starving. I don't know what Africa can do to make money but growing basic foodstuffs (apart from exotic fruits, coffee, cocoa etc) is definitely not it. Maybe there's a place for them in basic manufacturing once China has moved itself on.

 

[Riso]

Don't forget the EU pays farmers NOT to grow anyhing. That's what the CAP/Common Agricultural Pact is all about.

 

[dagorkan]

Exactly. Transfer that money into subsidies again and the current food crisis would have been avoided (obviously I don't mean it could be done overnight, there would be many years lag). Of course that would be highly illegal. Eventually there may be a limit to what population we can support on this planet but we haven't reached that point yet. Everyone would not be able to eat steak twice a week but we can feed everybody the basics.

And by the way the population boom is over, so stop your scaremongering. The only continent that still produces more children than is sustainable (more than three per woman) is Africa and it's massively underpopulated... the fact is 850 million people on a continent that size is not very much. South America also still has a gigantic potential.

 

[Gnidrologist]

I actually start to like Cleve and probably, if we had a few sips of beer and talked about all this shit face to face, it would turn out that there's really not mutch conflict in all of our different views on things.
Much of what he said about this ''decline'' thing, which i take the most issue with, is just a matter of assumption.
I for one don't belive in the statement, that earlyer soiceties were much different from ours. Just because things like homosexuality were banned by law and one, who admitted he's revelance to that would be outright slaugthered by he's neigborhood, doesn't mean that sutch individuals weren't there or were less numerous. They jjust find convenient to hide those kind of interests from general public.

It strange, that Cleve, who is about 15 years older than me and supposedly more experienced in life believes in any high virtue, that humans may posses. As far as my experience with people go, most of them do horrible things without any remorse or realisation, what they're doing. Thewy just feel that way and they do. Religions somewhat serve as a holiding factor, but that's just a surface. Human is still an animal, even if he's given the gift of self refelection and contemplation.
I don't believe in virtue. It's just a myth some humnans use to comfort themselves.

Most of the laws or commandments aren't made out of some knowledge of true virtue. They are just a means of self preservation, which is fine. I would be very displeased, if someone would stab me with the knife, so i created rules for people to be not alowed stabiing other people. But attaching any self
self-sufficient moral index to this is just an illusion.

 

[Jasede]

While a good idea is a good idea,
being a dick is still being a dick.

 

[Krancor]

It strange, that Cleve, who is about 15 years older than me and supposedly more experienced in life believes in any high virtue, that humans may posses. As far as my experience with people go, most of them do horrible things without any remorse or realisation, what they're doing. Thewy just feel that way and they do. Religions somewhat serve as a holiding factor, but that's just a surface. Human is still an animal, even if he's given the gift of self refelection and contemplation.
I don't believe in virtue. It's just a myth some humnans use to comfort themselves.

Most of the laws or commandments aren't made out of some knowledge of true virtue. They are just a means of self preservation, which is fine. I would be very displeased, if someone would stab me with the knife, so i created rules for people to be not alowed stabiing other people. But attaching any self
self-sufficient moral index to this is just an illusion.

Well, if that is how you feel you have made bad choices in life or had bad luck to surround yourself with only such people. They exist and are probably the majority, but there's also plenty of people with fine character and keen intelligence.

I've found that the people who go on about how everyone is basically corrupt are usually just justifying their own weaknesses to themselves, or in some cases doing it to aggrandize themselves my claiming moral superiority.

 

[luckyb0y]

Europe could feed a lot of Africa if our leaders would let us. We've been sabotaging our agricultural industry for decades, and people like the journalists at the Economist tell us we should give up the rest of our agriculture and import food from Africa (comparative advantage free-trade bullshit), turning our farmland into nature reserves or tourist attractions for yuppies... except Africa fuckin' can't produce the food to feed itself. Apart from a few regions it would be physically impossible for them to grow enough to feed us at our current diets and themselves.

Anyway Europe has the most productive agricultural land in the world, the most professional farmers and the most modern equipment, it does not make an iota of sense to grow food elsewhere.

Of course Africans can't really afford our food (that's why we let it rot) so there would have to be a government program to subsidize it. Yes it would mean African farmers would not be able to 'compete' but at least they wouldn't be starving. I don't know what Africa can do to make money but growing basic foodstuffs (apart from exotic fruits, coffee, cocoa etc) is definitely not it. Maybe there's a place for them in basic manufacturing once China has moved itself on.

Cant really respond to this typing from the mobile. Just a thing about subsidies. Do you honestly think that spending tax money on subsidising cheap food so we can pay more taxes so we can buy cheap food so we can pay more taxes circle jerk is going to solve anything? Of course it isn't that simple but mostly is. Also - failure of the "free" masket.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Yous basicly agree with me, but still found some means to pretend you disagree. This one of the most fun parts of polemics that we make among ourselves.

The first paragraph:
No, you got it wrong. I've met lot of people, who i could hug for their sheer goodness and inteligence. I also met people, who i would kill, if i was capable of it (but i'm probably not), because of their sheer idiocy and crude hostility.

Still, when contemplating sutch matter without any personal involvement, i realise, that both cases are as normal as they could get. I may not like something, but that doesn't matter, because it just is. People, who think that ''good'' and ''nice'' (as in not to harm the other person and displease you personally) is something more right or true are just whisfully thinking.

Human, just like the whole Universe itself (or God, whatever you like to title it) is one humongous source of every possible shit you could think of and even more. Does that make Universe (God) bad? Nope. It makes it both bad and good and everything else.

EDIT:
Oh, and that answers your second paragraph aswell. I don't pretend to be bad or good, as i don't see any meaning behind these words. If you are able to explain, please, do so.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

I don't see how stockpiling rice is a great answer to this, though. Are you going to save enough rice for all your family to live off of indefinitely?

Is this a rhetorical question?

I am currently rotating my stocks and I have enough rice to feed your family indefinitely from the excess and waste. I've been storing food long term for almost ten years solid. That's the sole purpose of the "silos" that I build.

You've never known real hunger and if you had I doubt you would learn anything from it.

The most important difference between animals and man is that man was once considered intellectually superior because he stored excess food for famine many years in advance. Of course, maybe those anthropologists should have waited to see the current generation of men.

Read Cormac MacCarthy's THE ROAD. You still won't understand but you might think you do after reading that book.

 

[Jasede]

Stop assuming people are incapable of understanding. It's a fallacy. Even if most may not, some do.

Just because you're unable to make other people understand because of your non-existent people skills, that doesn't mean there might not be another Plato or Sokrates.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

The sergeant pulled up beside them jogging and I heard him say just as I passed out of range. "That's PFC Cleve Blakemore. He's not from our planet. He's also on his second lap. He's already passed the entire field by about two kilometers. He doesn't get tired the way ordinary, run of the mill humans like you do."

Hahahahahahaha, oh god. This is extremely embarassing to read, even on a medium like the internet. Thanks chump, with that you just destroyed every last little bit of credibility each and every post of you has.

PS Great way how you refuted Jasede there. Shows that trying to debate like you is like bringing water to the sea or waiting for a monkey to write the works of Shakespeare.

By relating a true story, I destroyed my credibility.

As I understand it, nobody has ever surpassed my time on that same obstacle course in the 22 years since I was discharged from the Army. Also, no one has ever beaten my time climbing to the top of the rappelling tower rope in 22 years. Much less without using their feet as I did. I know a guy who was a master sergeant there who said they used to tell the new recruits stories about me when they had events at these locations the same way you would talk about Paul Bunyan or Iron John. Most new recruits don't believe it when they point to the top of the rope several stories up and tell them, "A guy once climbed this rope using only his hands in less than 30 seconds." That sounds like a story about a man who tunneled through a mountain with a single hammer or maybe a guy as tall as a building with a blue ox.

 

[Nicolai]

more like socrates

 

[DefJam101]

I think Cleve was just pulling your leg there. At least I hope he was. The whole superhuman thing seems to be some sort of Asperger's afflicted attempt at joking that we average humans can't really comprehend.

Please lay off the Asperger's cracks guys. I have plenty of AS friends and they aren't all like this fucktard, none of them are, in fact.

He most likely does not even have Asperger's. He is showing no symptoms of it whatsoever.

 

[DefJam101]

Stop assuming people are incapable of understanding. It's a fallacy. Even if most may not, some do.

Just because you're unable to make other people understand because of your non-existent people skills, that doesn't mean there might not be another Plato or Sokrates.

*covers ears*

La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-

 

[GeneralSamov]

This thread is the best example of successful attention whoring and ego boosting in ages, thank you Codex.

 

[ixg]

I think Cleve was just pulling your leg there. At least I hope he was. The whole superhuman thing seems to be some sort of Asperger's afflicted attempt at joking that we average humans can't really comprehend.

Please lay off the Asperger's cracks guys. I have plenty of AS friends and they aren't all like this fucktard, none of them are, in fact.

He most likely does not even have Asperger's. He is showing no symptoms of it whatsoever.

Asperger's is like AIDS; everyone's got it

 

[Jasede]

I don't have AIDS.

 

[GeneralSamov]

Indeed, furries have rabies.

 

[kris]

A minority starving ain't gonna change the reality that there is more than enough food to feed the world population and that we could easily produce more. Especially if we stopped with shit like ethanol fuels. A couple of thousands starving in remote places of the earth won't exactly points towards any apocalypse.

I was in Cole's supermarket today and when I asked what had happened to the fruit section, the manager looked like he was going to faint. He stammered something about "a problem that is not going to clear up any time soon." Then he said, "If you think there's a fruit shortage, go over and have a look in grains." Many of the shelves were empty there. Remember, I predicted the Trifecta in 1999 in my earliest post on Vault-Co. Back before it even sounded sane, I said the triangle of resource conflicts, climate change and the death of pollinators was going to produce the worst famine in human history. That was TEN YEARS AGO I predicted that. A decade ago, nobody knew what I was talking about. That's why I have Cassandra's Complex.

I don't know which little shithole you live in, but I buy loads of frutis despite not a single one growing were I live. Shops in the western world THROW AWAY enough food to feed all the starving people of the world. People starving is not because we don't produce enough food, it's because they pop out loads of children in poor areas or areas with little food. the world also have the capability to produce way more food than we currently do. Sweden could easily double it's food production, but that will not happen since it ain't economically feasible.