Keldorn
Scholar
- Joined
- Jun 28, 2007
- Messages
- 867
"So, instead, you cherry pick left wing sites? Or google things that you know are going to bring up left wing sites like the phrase, "secret cia prison"?"
-So any site which documents Bushian/Republican destructionism and totalitarianism is to be labelled as left-wing, eh ? The biggest critic of Bush and his corporate-military-prison administration are the friggen Ron Paul Libertarians, you twit !!!!
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=ron ... tism&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=ron ... nist&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?q=ron+paul+drug+war&hl=en
-It doesn't matter if you're left, center or Libertarian right, Bush-Bashing is fully justified !!!! By ALL parts of the spectrum !!!!! (except the blind, repressive, dismissive Republicultian dogmatists)
"So don't give me this bullshit about how Republicans steal elections. The vast majority of election fraud convictions come from the Democratic side of things, and any attempts to cut down on election fraud via things like Voter ID Acts are fought tooth and nail by the Democratic side."
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=bus ... tion&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=us+ ... ties&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=die ... tion&meta=
"Is your brain so faulty that you're suggesting that criminals think, "Hey, since there's no death penalty in this state, I won't kill anyone today!"? I'd say it's more a matter of the states thinking, "Since we have so many murders, we should clamp down more." The death penalty doesn't lead to more killings, it's the other way around. Even then, the death penalty is rarely ever enforced, so there's very little reason in having one. The majority of people on death row tend to die of old age because we rarely ever put anyone to death."
-Europe, Canada & Scandinavia have a small fraction of the US homicide rate. Maybe less prevalent guns, lass harsh sentencing, more tolerance, less rampant greed and less poverty DOES create a less violent culture. Again, the US states WITH the death penalty have consistently had the higher homicide rates ! When the gov't is a legal murderer, people then feel that murder is THE accepted standard of operation when you feel you are in the right in a given conflict or predicament.
"And, of course, the majority of fascists are left wing. Hilter, Mao Se Tung, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Min, Stalin, and so on, all politically left."
-There the retardo-right goes again, not being able to make a distinction between contemporary, pacifist centristic Scandinavia (which is a 3rd way economic model) and rampaging, Communist militarism of yesteryear. "BURN the Communist scarecrow ! If it's not the authoritarian, Bushian ultra-right, then it's time to lynch the Communist scarecrow of yesteryear ! There is no 3rd alternative ! If you aren't with the Neo-Cons, then you are a terrorist, a communist !"
"If the United States were a fascist state, this server would have been taken by the government a long time ago just because of the stupid shit you post on here. See, in ACTUAL fascism, you're not allowed to talk about fascism or else you'd disappear."
-Maybe you should learn the difference between OBSOLETE manifestations of a yesterdecade version of a concept, vs. the deceptive and manipulative soft Fascism of today, which bloats the military-industrial complex, links it to the gov't, while promoting "free democracy" propoganda on the surface, which dupes most of the public... including YOU.
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=us+ ... iler&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=bus ... eech&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=out ... lame&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=us+ ... edom&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=us+ ... arch&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=us+torture&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=sec ... sons&meta=
-See, you scratch the surface, and the USA under (R) Rule, IS A neo-Fascist state.
"Yup, we supported a dictator to keep Communists out of Chile. Now, given the track record of Latin American Communist Regimes, it's kind of hard to make a case that the people in Chile would be better off under the Communists than Pinochet. The evil dictator who backs you is generally better than the evil dictator who hates you."
-Again, you faithfully embrace aggressive/preemptive neo-con foreign policy, which murders, kills, kidnaps, invades and destroys in the name of Fascism.
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=pin ... cism&meta=
-If you support toppling democratically elected socialists, and you support installing Fascist puppets in their place who mass murder the peaceful leftist voting block, then you are a totalitarian, authoritarian, military-corporate FASCIST. By such fascist standards, you logically have to invade Sweden, Finland, Netherlands, Spain, Germany, Denmark and Norway because they have elements of democratic socialism in their parliaments, and have consistently been to the social-democratic left of the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-fascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile_under_Pinochet
-Pinochet was a military-corporate thug. A pure Fascist prop.
-Allende was democratically empowered... what about democracy ? Is it to be extinguished when it moves too far left of Republicultian dogma ?
-The left-leaning parties of Scandinavian/European parliaments are EMBRACED by millions of voters. And in the context of multi-party democracy, the center-left (as I've proven) induces FAR better living conditions than the ultra-right Authoritarian Fascist fringe delivered by Pinochet (or Bush).
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=lat ... tion&meta=
-Anyone who supports Neo-Con Fascism and Republican imperialism/interventionism, is a neo-FASCIST.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/se ... ndworldwar
http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush
http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=pre ... tler&meta=
-Like Grandfather, like Grandson... Fascist bloodlines, Fascist ideology and Fascist WILLpower.
"No, more like companies would pick up and move, leading to higher unemployment and crime. The United States corporate tax rate is 40%, the second highest in the industrial world. You raise that, you're going to see more factories close down and move to Mexico, India or China. You can google up "corporate welfare" all you want, but the United States still has a much, much higher corporate tax than any of the countries you advocate."
-But in the US the majority of revenue is pumped into the military-industrial complex via corporate welfare, corporate favoritism and exponential increases in military budget imperialism. You LOSE. And if companies conspire to wreck the economy whenever any shift to the left happens, then they are Fascist as well. But according to the greed-based standard, any actions are justified because corporate dogma says so. Profits over people.
"No, you just make them dependent. If you're poor in America, it's because of something you've done or something you're not doing. Plain and simple. I work in a middle income job, and I've seen people come and go from the same position I'm in because they wouldn't show up for work, stole things from customers, and so forth."
-No, if you are born into wealth, you will likely never be impoverished. And no one makes the choice to be born into wealth like Trump's son. You LOSE. And again, the US child poverty rate is 21%, the highest in the Western developed world BY FAR. And you think the poor DESERVE it. Right-wing WACKO. Only 19% of the US population makes over $100,000/yr., and you are buying into Neo-Con, corporate propaganda if you faithfully believe that 100% of the population can earn what the top 10-20% earn. it's a logical impossibility, what the right-wing assumes. A fraud.
-In Denmark, with high taxes, they have lowered the child poverty rate, by redistributing wealth (but NOT to anywhere near the extreme dictated by old School Socialists and Communists), THAT is how you lower poverty... NOT by further enabling of the rampaging corporate-capitalist elite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in ... ted_States
http://www.unicef.org/pon96/indust4.htm
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/ ... RTM0012199
http://www.teachers.ab.ca/Quick+Links/P ... overty.htm
http://www.swivel.com/data_columns/show/4101564
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/4307745.stm
http://poverty.thespec.com/2007/01/us_c ... .html#more
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=us ... ries&meta=
http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/ne ... tional.pdf
http://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/rc7_eng.pdf
-So any site which documents Bushian/Republican destructionism and totalitarianism is to be labelled as left-wing, eh ? The biggest critic of Bush and his corporate-military-prison administration are the friggen Ron Paul Libertarians, you twit !!!!
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=ron ... tism&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=ron ... nist&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?q=ron+paul+drug+war&hl=en
-It doesn't matter if you're left, center or Libertarian right, Bush-Bashing is fully justified !!!! By ALL parts of the spectrum !!!!! (except the blind, repressive, dismissive Republicultian dogmatists)
"So don't give me this bullshit about how Republicans steal elections. The vast majority of election fraud convictions come from the Democratic side of things, and any attempts to cut down on election fraud via things like Voter ID Acts are fought tooth and nail by the Democratic side."
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=bus ... tion&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=us+ ... ties&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=die ... tion&meta=
"Is your brain so faulty that you're suggesting that criminals think, "Hey, since there's no death penalty in this state, I won't kill anyone today!"? I'd say it's more a matter of the states thinking, "Since we have so many murders, we should clamp down more." The death penalty doesn't lead to more killings, it's the other way around. Even then, the death penalty is rarely ever enforced, so there's very little reason in having one. The majority of people on death row tend to die of old age because we rarely ever put anyone to death."
-Europe, Canada & Scandinavia have a small fraction of the US homicide rate. Maybe less prevalent guns, lass harsh sentencing, more tolerance, less rampant greed and less poverty DOES create a less violent culture. Again, the US states WITH the death penalty have consistently had the higher homicide rates ! When the gov't is a legal murderer, people then feel that murder is THE accepted standard of operation when you feel you are in the right in a given conflict or predicament.
"And, of course, the majority of fascists are left wing. Hilter, Mao Se Tung, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Min, Stalin, and so on, all politically left."
-There the retardo-right goes again, not being able to make a distinction between contemporary, pacifist centristic Scandinavia (which is a 3rd way economic model) and rampaging, Communist militarism of yesteryear. "BURN the Communist scarecrow ! If it's not the authoritarian, Bushian ultra-right, then it's time to lynch the Communist scarecrow of yesteryear ! There is no 3rd alternative ! If you aren't with the Neo-Cons, then you are a terrorist, a communist !"
"If the United States were a fascist state, this server would have been taken by the government a long time ago just because of the stupid shit you post on here. See, in ACTUAL fascism, you're not allowed to talk about fascism or else you'd disappear."
-Maybe you should learn the difference between OBSOLETE manifestations of a yesterdecade version of a concept, vs. the deceptive and manipulative soft Fascism of today, which bloats the military-industrial complex, links it to the gov't, while promoting "free democracy" propoganda on the surface, which dupes most of the public... including YOU.
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=us+ ... iler&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=bus ... eech&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=out ... lame&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=us+ ... edom&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=us+ ... arch&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=us+torture&meta=
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=sec ... sons&meta=
-See, you scratch the surface, and the USA under (R) Rule, IS A neo-Fascist state.
"Yup, we supported a dictator to keep Communists out of Chile. Now, given the track record of Latin American Communist Regimes, it's kind of hard to make a case that the people in Chile would be better off under the Communists than Pinochet. The evil dictator who backs you is generally better than the evil dictator who hates you."
-Again, you faithfully embrace aggressive/preemptive neo-con foreign policy, which murders, kills, kidnaps, invades and destroys in the name of Fascism.
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=pin ... cism&meta=
-If you support toppling democratically elected socialists, and you support installing Fascist puppets in their place who mass murder the peaceful leftist voting block, then you are a totalitarian, authoritarian, military-corporate FASCIST. By such fascist standards, you logically have to invade Sweden, Finland, Netherlands, Spain, Germany, Denmark and Norway because they have elements of democratic socialism in their parliaments, and have consistently been to the social-democratic left of the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-fascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile_under_Pinochet
-Pinochet was a military-corporate thug. A pure Fascist prop.
-Allende was democratically empowered... what about democracy ? Is it to be extinguished when it moves too far left of Republicultian dogma ?
-The left-leaning parties of Scandinavian/European parliaments are EMBRACED by millions of voters. And in the context of multi-party democracy, the center-left (as I've proven) induces FAR better living conditions than the ultra-right Authoritarian Fascist fringe delivered by Pinochet (or Bush).
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=lat ... tion&meta=
-Anyone who supports Neo-Con Fascism and Republican imperialism/interventionism, is a neo-FASCIST.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/se ... ndworldwar
http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush
http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=pre ... tler&meta=
-Like Grandfather, like Grandson... Fascist bloodlines, Fascist ideology and Fascist WILLpower.
"No, more like companies would pick up and move, leading to higher unemployment and crime. The United States corporate tax rate is 40%, the second highest in the industrial world. You raise that, you're going to see more factories close down and move to Mexico, India or China. You can google up "corporate welfare" all you want, but the United States still has a much, much higher corporate tax than any of the countries you advocate."
-But in the US the majority of revenue is pumped into the military-industrial complex via corporate welfare, corporate favoritism and exponential increases in military budget imperialism. You LOSE. And if companies conspire to wreck the economy whenever any shift to the left happens, then they are Fascist as well. But according to the greed-based standard, any actions are justified because corporate dogma says so. Profits over people.
"No, you just make them dependent. If you're poor in America, it's because of something you've done or something you're not doing. Plain and simple. I work in a middle income job, and I've seen people come and go from the same position I'm in because they wouldn't show up for work, stole things from customers, and so forth."
-No, if you are born into wealth, you will likely never be impoverished. And no one makes the choice to be born into wealth like Trump's son. You LOSE. And again, the US child poverty rate is 21%, the highest in the Western developed world BY FAR. And you think the poor DESERVE it. Right-wing WACKO. Only 19% of the US population makes over $100,000/yr., and you are buying into Neo-Con, corporate propaganda if you faithfully believe that 100% of the population can earn what the top 10-20% earn. it's a logical impossibility, what the right-wing assumes. A fraud.
-In Denmark, with high taxes, they have lowered the child poverty rate, by redistributing wealth (but NOT to anywhere near the extreme dictated by old School Socialists and Communists), THAT is how you lower poverty... NOT by further enabling of the rampaging corporate-capitalist elite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in ... ted_States
http://www.unicef.org/pon96/indust4.htm
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/ ... RTM0012199
http://www.teachers.ab.ca/Quick+Links/P ... overty.htm
http://www.swivel.com/data_columns/show/4101564
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/4307745.stm
http://poverty.thespec.com/2007/01/us_c ... .html#more
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=us ... ries&meta=
http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/ne ... tional.pdf
http://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/rc7_eng.pdf
