Sharpedge
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That's a good point, I had forgotten about the Aged Man for this. Him being "Fleshless" sounds fairly likely since he even kind of implies you'll learn about immortality yourself soon enough. That might also explain why he fucks off since he wants to get to whatever his hidey hole is before the cleansing happens. I did have the brief talk with his wife but I forget what she had to say.
I do agree completely that the "Waking up in Qyra" part is a dream, but where I disagree with Yuslan is everything up to the point where the PC dies blowing up the beacon. When you come back through the planeswalker Yuslan tells you if you drink the dreamflower elixir you'll drop into a coma and have a fantasy perfect dream life in it. Since things go to shit for you I'd say it's fairly clear he was wrong about that part, but waking up in Qyra is a pretty obvious dream. You also hear the thrum of the beacon the entire time during the Qyra sequence which seems like another indication that it's just your character in a la-la land coma in the final seconds he's being blown up. The thrum might mean you don't succeed in destroying the beacon (Falling into a coma just before you destroy it) but IIRC the beacon was thrumming even before it was activated and I believe even before you put the crystals into it, so I wouldn't put much stock in the ending being functionally different if you drink the elixir or not. The painting's a good catch though, didn't notice that at all.
Qalian's Last Smile is also a particularly good catch. That also could lend credence to the black guardian's statement about fleshless being driven by some aspect they dislike about themselves/a particular desire, since if he's fleshless himself (What with the corpse) that could explain why he's the way he is. The question in his case would be how did he end up fleshless (Since the black guardian says it's the high ones that do it) and why. I'd initially been thinking their group had worked for the lightborn, I think he (Or someone) mentioned that the reason they would kill children was to try to bump off emissaries which I reasoned was the lightborn trying to save their asses. Now I suppose it could've been the high ones behind it to start setting the stage for the cleansing. Qalian mentioned that "The targets were always right" (Not the exact term but I'm going on memory from some week(s) ago) but what that actually means is anyone's guess, and again could be high one fuckery.
Yuslan could still be wrong, yes. He has plenty of motives to lie to you and his opinion on what the flower does is contradictory with other existing information. On the other hand if he was lying, it brings about the question why would he lie. The only good reason I can think of is that the high ones would not want the PC to take the dreamflower because it would make them more likely to choose self sacrifice, rather than choose to flee, but that seems far fetched given the fact that the PC should never reach the beacon to begin with. The veiled woman bringing the PC back to life is arguably a divergence from the intended solution so whether or not the PC drinks the dreamflower should have no impact on the final outcome from the PoV of the high ones. Maybe he is just lying to you because he wants the dreamflower for himself and he knows that once he puts his plan into action he would be caught?
With regards to Qalian, I think its a fair assumption that the high ones are not the only ones capable of creating fleshless. It would make sense that the veiled woman is also capable of doing this and she would be the most likely figure to be responsible there, given how much she was involved with that particular quest line. The funny thing is, it seems highly probably that in the context of the entire story, the father is the character who was probably the most "correct" and likely got the best deal out of any characters involved.
On the subject of the veiled woman. The book "Kadath" in the quest "Our Mark on this World" probably provides the most context out of any single source of information about the veiled woman. Whilst it is never directly stated that she is the character within the book, I think its probably safe to make the assumption that she is. Then again, if you consider the story of Nehrim to be canonical (I prefer to see Nehrim as being non canon since in my opinion, Nehrim's story is worse than Enderal's and there are some internal contradictions between the 2 which have not been resolved), then the character Fate in Enderal could arguably be the person who has been rigging the cycle in which case, the veiled women would likely be the person who replaced her and is thus a new figure. Interesting side point, the name Kadath is a reference to this.
There is also something else worth noting about the sky jesus ending. During the opening introduction to the game, the narrator states, "this is the story of somebody who wanted to be free." This is arguably a direct statement of the PCs "motives" that the high ones were exploiting and running away to a starling city does seem the most like the actions taken by someone who wants to be free. Self sacrifice is a far less likely driving factor for that and so its more likely to be a successful outcome.
With regards to Qalian, I think its a fair assumption that the high ones are not the only ones capable of creating fleshless. It would make sense that the veiled woman is also capable of doing this and she would be the most likely figure to be responsible there, given how much she was involved with that particular quest line. The funny thing is, it seems highly probably that in the context of the entire story, the father is the character who was probably the most "correct" and likely got the best deal out of any characters involved.
On the subject of the veiled woman. The book "Kadath" in the quest "Our Mark on this World" probably provides the most context out of any single source of information about the veiled woman. Whilst it is never directly stated that she is the character within the book, I think its probably safe to make the assumption that she is. Then again, if you consider the story of Nehrim to be canonical (I prefer to see Nehrim as being non canon since in my opinion, Nehrim's story is worse than Enderal's and there are some internal contradictions between the 2 which have not been resolved), then the character Fate in Enderal could arguably be the person who has been rigging the cycle in which case, the veiled women would likely be the person who replaced her and is thus a new figure. Interesting side point, the name Kadath is a reference to this.
There is also something else worth noting about the sky jesus ending. During the opening introduction to the game, the narrator states, "this is the story of somebody who wanted to be free." This is arguably a direct statement of the PCs "motives" that the high ones were exploiting and running away to a starling city does seem the most like the actions taken by someone who wants to be free. Self sacrifice is a far less likely driving factor for that and so its more likely to be a successful outcome.
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