Decline Sword Coast Legends Pre-Release Thread

[Necroscope]

My decision to not give a fuck abut this project has been proved correct sooner than I expected.

 

[pippin]

'...the necromancer with a heart of gold'.

"You know, I made a deal with the devil and in return I can control the hordes of hell, but I'm a chill guy".

 

[ArchAngel]

Sword Coast Legends presents the most true-to-form representation of classic tabletop adventuring ever realized in a cooperative multiplayer video game.

Aren't the rules a bastardized version of DnD 5E (spells progressing like "Ray of Frost II", for example)?

I got from it that they are not talking about rules or computer games, but just tabletop experience. It is clear they put all their cards into this "innovative" DM system. If it fails (and I think it will) the game will fail.
I don't expect the campaign to be better than NWN1 OC

 

[btbgfel]

A necromancer with a heart of gold huh? I just hope the game will be popamole enough so that I have a heart of pirate.

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

Just checked out their forum again, the tards who pre-ordered based on almost no information are getting restless

All PC games suffer from consoles. Now I understand why there is no persistent world and good chance there won't be any wiggle room for modders to do much about that. So sick of everything PC getting held back antiquated consoles. My fault for not paying closer attention. Let's see if I can get a refund.

 

[Sothpaw]

Coming to consoles so we know how deep the game will be. Will wait for 80% off on Steam if I ever bother.

 

[DramaticPopcorn]

'...the necromancer with a heart of gold'.

"You know, I made a deal with the devil and in return I can control the hordes of hell, but I'm a chill guy".

That's how 90% of warlocks are roleplayed sadly...

 

[Spectacle]

'...the necromancer with a heart of gold'.

There's really no reason why necromancers have to be evil. At the core it's just about putting some old bones to good use. Consider the dustmen in Planescape, they are hardly evil.
(Settings where undead are powered by tormented souls excluded, of course)

 

[ArchAngel]

In D&D healing spells and Raise Dead are also Necromancy spells.

 

[agris]

Casting spells in the necromancy school versus being a necromancer are very different things.

 

[ArchAngel]

Casting spells in the necromancy school versus being a necromancer are very different things.

Not really. Necromancer is a version of wizard that focuses on necromancy spells. He can be as much interested in it because of its healing side. Not all Necromancers are doing because of undead.

 

[agris]

Casting spells in the necromancy school versus being a necromancer are very different things.

Not really. Necromancer is a version of wizard that focuses on necromancy spells. He can be as much interested in it because of its healing side. Not all Necromancers are doing because of undead.

While I see your point, that's completely ignoring the cultural context that calling a wizard a necromancer exists in. You would be hard pressed to find others who share that view of a necromancer.

 

[Infinitron]

I think you guys are missing the point. It's not that having a good necromancer is something bad (subverting genre tropes, MCA approves!) but that describing somebody as "X with a heart of gold" is just supremely cheesy.

 

[Somberlain]

It's not that having a good necromancer is something bad (subverting genre tropes, MCA approves!)

Though at some point it becomes really annoying when the trope subversion becomes a new trope, like good drow after Drizzt became popular.

 

[ArchAngel]

I think you guys are missing the point. It's not that having a good necromancer is something bad (subverting genre tropes, MCA approves!) but that describing somebody as "X with a heart of gold" is just supremely cheesy.

That I agree with.

Casting spells in the necromancy school versus being a necromancer are very different things.

Not really. Necromancer is a version of wizard that focuses on necromancy spells. He can be as much interested in it because of its healing side. Not all Necromancers are doing because of undead.

While I see your point, that's completely ignoring the cultural context that calling a wizard a necromancer exists in. You would be hard pressed to find others who share that view of a necromancer.

Except it is not just a cultural thing, it is a mechanical difference. In 5e a noticeable one. They really gave unique and powerful abilities to different wizard specialists. Like Enchanters when attacked instantly charm the enemy to have a penalty to that attack, Evokers can shape their area spells and so on, Abjurers gain bonus life after casting defensive spells and so on.

 

[twincast]

Casting spells in the necromancy school versus being a necromancer are very different things.

Not really. Necromancer is a version of wizard that focuses on necromancy spells. He can be as much interested in it because of its healing side. Not all Necromancers are doing because of undead.

While I see your point, that's completely ignoring the cultural context that calling a wizard a necromancer exists in. You would be hard pressed to find others who share that view of a necromancer.

prejudiced cultural context ≠ actual D&D definition
The former meaning shit when talking about the latter.

 

[ArchAngel]

Casting spells in the necromancy school versus being a necromancer are very different things.

Not really. Necromancer is a version of wizard that focuses on necromancy spells. He can be as much interested in it because of its healing side. Not all Necromancers are doing because of undead.

While I see your point, that's completely ignoring the cultural context that calling a wizard a necromancer exists in. You would be hard pressed to find others who share that view of a necromancer.

prejudiced cultural context ≠ actual D&D definition
The former meaning shit when talking about the latter.

Well I yet to play a D&D game where anyone cared if you were a necromancer as long as you didn't murder people.

 

[agris]

Ok, I didn't know about this 5e convention. It sounded odd to me to refer to a person who uses healing spell that, yes, are in the necromancy school, a necromancer. I guess this is a thing now.

 

[darthaegis]

Sword Coast Legends listed with "CRPG" tag on Steam, top kek.

 

[twincast]

Ok, I didn't know about this 5e convention. It sounded odd to me to refer to a person who uses healing spell that, yes, are in the necromancy school, a necromancer. I guess this is a thing now.

Has been at least since 3e... (officially that is; don't know how people deal with their "cultural context" at home)

 

[agris]

Well I'm a 1e / retroclone player so there's the rub. I never thought that people would say "Necromancer!" and mean "one who heals others".

 

[GarfunkeL]

Nobody says that. Priest heals, mage kills. Necromancer is a mage who summons undead.

 

[agris]

I deserve this for posting in this thread.

 

[GarfunkeL]

I'm supporting you dudebro! This

prejudiced cultural context ≠ actual D&D definition

is pointless bullshit since actual D&D definitions have changed a shit load from Chainmail to 5th edition and cultural context is actually quite important as it's the glue that unites players of various editions.

 

[tuluse]

I don't know what people are on about in this thread. I'm pretty sure there's no arcane healing spells in 3/3.5.

I just looked through all the Necromancy spells. The closest thing to healing would be false life.

In divine magic healing spells are healing domain as expect, not death domain.