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The Codexian Saga LP

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by The Barbarian, May 8, 2010.

  1. taplonaplo Scholar

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    B, it's the same kind of bullshit like frugality and all. You don't need the illusion of legitimacy if your nation actually works. The Respublic made for bland diplomacy but it got shit down effectively, i rather not go to the total opposite. Strong central government is still needed. People are sheep, but they are pretty bloodthirsty ones right now, so why the hell not use that to our own advantage?
     
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  2. obediah Erudite

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    Do you have the real world history to back that up? I'd also settle for in-game history showing Conan will let us get away with such a simple world view.
     
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  3. Brotherman Bill Arcane

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    I vote A btw, if it wasn't obvious from my above post.
     
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  4. Cassidy Arcane

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    Revisionists have destroyed all that is good about the ideals they sought to corrupt. DEATH TO REVISIONIST AND REFORMIST SCUM!
     
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  5. Ulminati Kamelåså! Patron

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    A.

    A few lithaunian Hitmen will sort this out all neat and tidy.
     
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  6. juggernaut Educated

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  7. DarkUnderlord Professional Throne Sitter

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    B
     
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  8. taplonaplo Scholar

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    The lack there of if you catch my drift.
     
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  9. meeneque Liturgist

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    Codex 2013 Wasteland 2
    Option B
     
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  10. Conkrete Knight Educated

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    The problem here is that both options may result in civil war, albeit of different reasons.

    How are the orthodox going to react on us slaughtering the holiest men of the state?
    Right.
    We risk a public outcry and the zealots turning against us.

    Of course we probably are at war with them already, so B is us risking the banner bearers of our cause being assassinated, giving the enemy a head on.
    It would however give us legitimation.
    On the same time it would be a clear choice for THE LAW, which is something that has been missing lately.

    It would also be lulzy if the investigation would show that it was another faction trying to go after us after all.

    So B it is
     
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  11. Conkrete Knight Educated

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    If they kill our guy he is going to be a martyr, dying for peace and THE LAW.
    Our Jesus so to say.
     
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  12. Conkrete Knight Educated

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    My Point, exactly.

    When did we start agreeing on things?
    :rpgcodex:
     
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  13. The Barbarian Liturgist

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    Indeed. Much like the Barbarian himself.
     
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  14. The Barbarian Liturgist

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    Please Note:

    This is the last of the reform choices.

    Codexia Reforged

    When Benoit Charles Certo fell, it was with a whimper and not with a bang. Arrested in the dead of night by Respublican Gendarmerie officers and charged with conspiracy, second degree murder, heresy and a host of other abuses, the Elder’s power base evaporated almost instantaneously. This was partly due to the fact that he was not the only Traditionalist arrested that August morning. Lord Paladin Alphonse Steward, commander of the Paladins of Santi Maria, was captured at the same time and accused of co-conspiracy, aiding and abetting and fraud on a massive scale. The trials of the two men (and the veritable horde of their colleagues and subordinates also taken in during the massive police operation) became THE public spectacle of 403AU. Many millions were tuned in to watch the trial proceedings, at any given time. When the verdict eventually came back, it was unanimous: guilty. Across the board, the men who had been the bedrock of the Traditionalist movement were sentenced to long prison terms and, in a few cases, execution.

    Certo was spared the latter fate after Elder Taizong himself intervened as amicus curiae and convinced the Grand Tribunal that life imprisonment was the more suitable punishment for an individual of such standing. Nonetheless, by October 403AU the Traditionalists were, in every meaningful way, no more. The Reformers had triumphed. When the Synod of the Faithful of Santi Maria finally convened that December, the Reformers pushed through enormous changes in governance, public law and the Respublican state institution as a whole. Though the Respublica retained its religious underpinnings, much power was removed from the church and delegated to a civilian (though not secular) government. It was a painful process, but there was no serious resistance to it. The Traditionalists had squandered their opportunity to fight back in a real sense. Now, they were relegated to a political minority of little import.

    The smoothness of the ‘transfer of power’ and socio-political reformation previously alluded to was pivotal for the Venerable Respublica. It meant that there were no disruptions to an economy that continued to boom, and no pause for a strengthening colonial effort across the Dead Zone. Furthermore, the instruments of state remained whole and effective. The military, for example, continued to function as per normal throughout the crisis. There was no infighting. The forces of the Respublica remained disciplined and cohesive. Of course, that is not to say that all would simply continue as before, but in a more moderate fashion. After the dust settled in 404-405AU, the Respublica was still ruled by a Council of Elders, but many of its executive powers were now in the hands of a civilian political body. The Reformers had ‘bought’ support for their agenda by pursuing understandings with various other pre-Reform governmental bodies. It was now time to ‘pay the piper’.

    Pavel Zub’s Ministry of the Interior, James Jules Vaingroff’s Ministry of Defence and Timor Denisov’s Ministry of Innovation, Industry and Science were the primary drivers of the Reformer success story. Their demands in its aftermath were relatively straightforward: money, money and more money. With a little extra influence thrown in, for good measure. In a sense, the new government then had to make a choice. Would it cave in to the demands of its political support system? Or would it instead resist the pressures of government lobbies, with all the potential difficulties that entailed? In truth, it was a decision not to be made lightly. The balance of power between and internal to the various branches of government is always delicate. The consequences of a skewed balance can be serious. On the other hand, smooth sailing often requires quite a bit of elbow grease, even if that grease proves quite costly.

    Do you... keep your promise to the Ministries, and allocate extra funds to them in the coming budget review?

    OR

    Do you... invoke necessity and risk alienating them by not handing over the promised resources/money?
     
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  15. Murk Arcane

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    Oh my... now... oh... umm... oh my.
     
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  16. RandomLurker Scholar

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    Wait a minute... Interior, Defense, Innovation/Industry/Science? What does the Respublica even have besides that, a Ministry of Sports?

    Actually, now that I think about it, this is a good question - what else is there? So far I'm leaning towards A, but I'd like to know whose share of the budget it would be cutting into.
     
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  17. treave Arcane Patron

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    Knee-jerk voting for SCIENCE!

    Is it possible though to only fulfill what is reasonable of their requests, and deny the more extravagant demands?
     
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  18. The Barbarian Liturgist

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    Trade, Finance, Health, Education, Energy, Agriculture - the usual suspects.

    Far be it from the Barbarian to divine any given choice for this august body.

    But he suggests having a close look at the last paragraph, and what it suggests about the choice.

    To his mind, there is a larger issue than spending, at hand.
     
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  19. anus_pounder Arcane

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    Not voting this time. This is one choice out of my league.
     
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  20. treave Arcane Patron

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    In the long term B may work out better, but remember we’re dealing with the Ministry of Interior and the Ministry of Defense. The armed forces and the police. It’s no surprise they’re the biggest players, the military-industrial complex was one of the major backers of the reformist movement. They probably have some shadowy cabal of sorts communing in a darkened room via holoconferencing to plot their rule of the Respublica.

    But as has been said, this is grease. We’re not surrendering our government over to the secret police, the military and the mad scientists, we’re just paying more attention to their needs over the concerns of the doctors, the bankers and the farmers.
     
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  21. LusciousPear Savant

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    I'm going with A. These are the folks that backed us. Sure, power may be decentralized more, but them's the breaks.

    As long as these factions don't start infighting, we can turn our gazes outward instead of inward.
     
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  22. Azira Arcane Patron

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    Deals were made, promises too. We need to keep them to keep our government working. Grease the axles, or the train might derail.

    For now, the only sensible answer here is

    Option A

    If we do not honour these demands, the future looks difficult, to say the least. I wouldn't be all that surprised if we looked at another revolution. I mean, the police and the armed forces... AND the scientific community. We don't want to alienate these players, players who have publicly supported our reforms.

    No. We have to pay our dues.
     
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  23. treave Arcane Patron

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    The choice may have been a hundred times easier had our major backers been the Ministry of Arts, Ministry of Sports and the Ministry of Silly Walks.

    The Barbarian does not make things simple.
     
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  24. Radech Augur

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    so we got the church off our back, just to turn over control to the military industrial complex - as i see this it's not just diverting funds from other sectors to the military, but diverting power over the budget. A will only lead to a more expensive, albeit happier, military not a more effective one.

    B
     
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  25. Nickless Educated

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    If I'm reading this correctly, the choice is between small and large government, and the effect the budget will have on society at large. If we vote A, we'll have a large budget and small economic growth, with civilian dependency on the government to provide a range of services, which will probably lead to a welfare state. I expect B will give us a smaller budget, an expanding economy, and more personal power amongst civilians. So basically, vote A if you want us to be more like the US today, or vote B if you want us to be more like the US in the 1950s.

    Anyway I'm voting B for classical liberalism! (Even though this probably won't affect social freedom) Death to taxes!
    [​IMG]

    Edit: Due to the Barbarian's clarification, I'm going to vote A
     
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