From Software The Dark Souls Discussion Thread

[Jasede]

Remember that looks aren't just graphics but also art design, tiling and architecture. That may explain his position.

 

[Multidirectional]

I stopped playing DS2 not long after release so I don't know about any really good graphics mods for it, but DS1 + DSFix looks significantly better than vanilla DS2 at least. I can force MSAA with NVinspector on it, eliminating the need for shitty post process AA, also VSSAO2 option in DSFix is WAY better looking than crappy low res SSAO in DS2. If they had kept the initial lighting system that was supposed to be in DS2 it would've looked amazing probably, but they didn't. The only upside is that it ran at stable 60 FPS on my aging GTX460.

 

[Bahamut]

DaS2 has waaaay too many tiled textures (seriously, it looks worse than most games from a decade ago that way), a clearly inferior art direction, a weird lighting system where only some lights are dynamic (i mean seriously... Blade of Darkness 15 years ago on half the horsepower had fully dynamic lights and half the game was written in motherfucking python), some shit is oversaturated, some under, some looks like plastic, most looks washed out (because of the change in lighting) etc... the animations are mostly an improvement, as are small details that make it look more "natural", but overall, bar some vistas here and there, it's the worst Souls game aesthetically

Yea, dat tilling and lightning makes me cringe everytime i see it, the first hall in Aldia's Keep looked like somone has thrashed all lighting and shaders. Still it think its all fault of that grand location redesing to prevent Blighttown II

Never Forget

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Never Forgive

 

[Emily]

Too bad you didn't play Demon souls first lyric, it is/was even better.

 

[Jasede]

I played DS before DeS and enjoyed DeS more. But playing DS first is good practice and certainly a great game as well.

 

[Raghar]

Console users...

 

[Jasede]

Quality post.

 

[praetor]

i played DeS before DaS and found DaS1 so much better it wasn't even funny. only some levels in DeS are remarkable, even fewer bosses and i'd argue it has overall the better atmosphere, but worse lore (and arguably plot). mechanically, DeS is by far the worst Souls game

 

[Lyric Suite]

I'm allergic to consoles.

 

[Lyric Suite]

But seriously, fuck consoles. I mean, controls are what they are and its fine for certain type of games, so that isn't in itself an issue, though it became one when this multiplatform bullshit started. Shit hardware is of course rage inducing, and just comparing how much better Dark Souls looks on PC (after DSfix) really drives that point home. But the thing that pisses me off the most is that you pretty much have to buy multiple consoles since chances are the game you want is on one system and not the other, not to mention games that cannot be played on newer systems so you have to keep your old consoles around too. Its insane.

 

[Athelas]

You can play every console game on the PC, you just have to wait about a decade before emulation is viable.

 

[Edward_R_Murrow]

It's been a decade...can I emulate Metal Wolf Chaos, Otogi, Genma Onimusha, or even Ninja Gaiden (Black) yet?

 

[UndetectedButthurt]

I don't think this will ever stop bothering me... DOF override and/or AF override seems to cause minor pixelation in some shaders (water/snow). I've only seen a few posts on neoGAF or some other shit where people had the same thing. Has anyone here ever run into this?

 

[CyberP]

But seriously, fuck consoles. I mean, controls are what they are and its fine for certain type of games, so that isn't in itself an issue, though it became one when this multiplatform bullshit started. Shit hardware is of course rage inducing, and just comparing how much better Dark Souls looks on PC (after DSfix) really drives that point home. But the thing that pisses me off the most is that you pretty much have to buy multiple consoles since chances are the game you want is on one system and not the other, not to mention games that cannot be played on newer systems so you have to keep your old consoles around too. Its insane.

None of this is really an issue in itself. The issue is consoles shouldn't be the primary focus of the industry nor the market. It should at least be equal consoles, equal PC.
There's plenty things you could slam PC for: fuck PCs for using control hardware that isn't even primarily designed for gaming, but typing. Fuck PCs for their demands of high maintenance, fuck PCs because taking my tower and monitor to a friend's house isn't exactly viable, and so on. Consoles and PCs each have their pros and cons, PC is overall better for the dedicated gamer, and is far more complex functionality-wise though. of course.
I don't curse consoles (I am fond of some in fact), I curse Microsoft for investing primarily into the Xbox, I curse the PC-centric devs that abandoned PC gaming to make popamole so unworthy that even plenty console gamers spat in disgust at, and so on.
Biggest fucking sellouts. Gaming hasn't been the same since, and it's because of the Microsoft-owned Xbox, the machine that caused a huge market shift. Before it was Japan that dominated consoles primarily, and Western owned PC. I liked it that way, it was a great time for the consumer, especially those who liked to play on all types of platforms.
Things will never be the same again and that makes me sad. I'm stuck playing old games most of the time which quite frankly I wish I wouldn't have to be. Such great advancements in tech, the games design should have got much better too, but alas the reality is quite the opposite.

But yeah, SNES, Earlier playstations and such? To be allergic to these is to be ignorant my friend, there's much joy to be found, and the charm of the games was determined by the hardware most certainly, a great example being the sound chips of the SNES and MegaDrive/Genesis producing higher quality works than shitty MIDI PC games were bound by at the time.

 

[CyberP]

Sigh, fuck the Codex. I'm getting tired of this bullshit, DarkUnderlord. How this place thrives I wonder...

 

[Lyric Suite]

There's plenty things you could slam PC for: fuck PCs for using control hardware that isn't even primarily designed for gaming, but typing. Fuck PCs for their demands of high maintenance, fuck PCs because taking my tower and monitor to a friend's house isn't exactly viable, and so on

Consoltardism is a disease. We are comparing hardware and he's talking about bringing his console to his friend, like that has anything to do with anything. Hey guess what mobile phones are even better since i can bring one around in my pocket who are you to say PCs are consoles are superior for gaming trololo

I acknowledge that there are good games on consoles but in so far as the platform goes there is no comparison. Your sentimental infatuation with the world of consoles does not constitute a proper counter argument to this fact.

 

[CyberP]

Diagnosis: blind butthurt.

PCs are ridiculously better for a die-hard gamer, there is no comparison, this was already pretty much stated above.
My point was consoles do have their place. The problem lies in the way the industry and markets operate, that being consoles put on a pedestal when ideally it should be the case for PCs instead, or at least equal in relevance given by gamers and the industry at large.

 

[CyberP]

We are comparing hardware and he's talking about bringing his console to his friend, like that has anything to do with anything.

The portability of consoles is a result of the hardware. It's every bit relevant.

 

[CyberP]

^pun not intended.

"Consoltardism is a disease."

Mass-consumerism within the industry you mean.

 

[Lyric Suite]

We are comparing hardware and he's talking about bringing his console to his friend, like that has anything to do with anything.

The portability of consoles is a result of the hardware. It's every bit relevant.

right back at you. The portability of consoles is relevant to dick shit. Playing my game without horrible ambient occlusion because the hardware can't render the scenery is what's relevant. Being stuck with one set of hardware limiting what game developers can do for years is what's relevant. Being stuck with one control scheme with all its inherent limitations is what's relevant. Having to buy multiple systems to play different games is what's relevant.

I've never even heard of anyone taking their console anywhere. But just looking at what multiplatforming is doing to PC gaming really shows where the difference lies. The PC is the objectively superior platform, it is not an apple and oranges thing.

 

[Lyric Suite]

My point was consoles do have their place.

If the only advantage is that it is cheap and you can play it in your living room because you think sitting in front of a PC is too nerdy for you, that is only an advantage if you are a retard. But that explains why consoles are so popular, because they are easier to get into by people who aren't serious about games.

But there is something to the mindset of many of those people that would be interesting to explore. For instance, a great number of people who play consoles prefer using laptops for their PC gaming. Apparently, using a laptop doesn't make one a nerd.

 

[Lyric Suite]

At any rate, back to the game.

I think i'm now going to switch to Claymore, since i'm really starting to find the move set of Dark Knight weapons to be a chore, and i also don't like the way the bigger one looks. Too huge, too animu looking, and too much drain on my stamina. I'm already at 18 DEX which i raised to use the greater Black Knight Sword might as well keep going at this point, and maybe max STR too at the end. So my current target would be 40 END, 40 STR and DEX and then whatever its left on VIT.

 

[Niektory]

I don't think this will ever stop bothering me... DOF override and/or AF override seems to cause minor pixelation in some shaders (water/snow). I've only seen a few posts on neoGAF or some other shit where people had the same thing. Has anyone here ever run into this?

Post your DSfix.ini and your resolution.

 

[Jasede]

Someone who is "serious about games" owns all relevant consoles at all times LS; barking up the wrong tree here.

 

[JarlFrank]

We are comparing hardware and he's talking about bringing his console to his friend, like that has anything to do with anything.

The portability of consoles is a result of the hardware. It's every bit relevant.

right back at you. The portability of consoles is relevant to dick shit. Playing my game without horrible ambient occlusion because the hardware can't render the scenery is what's relevant. Being stuck with one set of hardware limiting what game developers can do for years is what's relevant. Being stuck with one control scheme with all its inherent limitations is what's relevant. Having to buy multiple systems to play different games is what's relevant.

I've never even heard of anyone taking their console anywhere. But just looking at what multiplatforming is doing to PC gaming really shows where the difference lies. The PC is the objectively superior platform, it is not an apple and oranges thing.

Also, LAN parties. People bring their PCs there. Which means PCs are portable.