The Denuvo DRM Thread

[Nifft Batuff]

It is a scientific fact that denuvo improves the performance of games. It's math!

 

[AwesomeButton]

Does TR Shadows still have Denuvo?

 

[Gerrard]

https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-indu...ays-later-after-players-flood-in-to-bully-it/

Denuvo opens its own Discord server to rehabilitate its image, has to shut it down 2 days later after players flood in to bully it​

Two days after throwing its doors wide and with "nearly 2,000 people on the server," Denuvo sheepishly returned to X to announce that "as you can imagine, the amount of inappropriate content has made moderation quite challenging for our small team, who are doing this alongside our regular day-to-day work. For that reason, we've decided to make some changes to the server, which we'll be implementing over the next few days. Stay tuned!" No one's been able to post on the server for two days at time of writing.

 

[karoliner]

 

[Nifft Batuff]

I seems that Metaphor's Denuvo was bypassed by unlocking the demo. However there is still a possible softlock during the game.

 

[cvv]

Has there been any Denuvo backlash in the jRPG community?

What I'm seeing in the last two years or so is games that are a) wildly beloved and b) have Denuvo. IIRC that wouldn't be possible six, seven, eight years ago, Denuvo p. much meant a death sentence for everything except the most normie mainstream pap like FIFA or AssCreed.

Today you have games with Denuvo like Lies of P, Dragon's Dogma 2, Wukong, Metaphor, Monster Hunter Wilds plus a whole bunch of older jRPGs (SMT and others) that are almost universally beloved (well, Wilds isn't out yet but we all know it'll sell like hotcakes and collect 10/10s wall to wall).

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Has there been any Denuvo backlash in the jRPG community?

What I'm seeing in the last two years or so is games that are a) wildly beloved and b) have Denuvo. IIRC that wouldn't be possible six, seven, eight years ago, Denuvo p. much meant a death sentence for everything except the most normie mainstream pap like FIFA or AssCreed.

Today you have games with Denuvo like Lies of P, Dragon's Dogma 2, Wukong, Metaphor, Monster Hunter Wilds plus a whole bunch of older jRPGs (SMT and others) that are almost universally beloved (well, Wilds isn't out yet but we all know it'll sell like hotcakes and collect 10/10s wall to wall).

None. I mean not that it's loved or anything but people have accepted it's existance.

It helps that most JRPG player doesn't really on the "i have the latest 4090 but fps dropped by a bit during gameplay'

 

[cvv]

So I found this on the Metaphor Steam forums:

You're years behind the new ways to pirate games. Denuvo offline activation sites are all the rage now. No cracking required. They have all the latest games on release day, Wukong, FC2025, FFXVI... Denuvo isn't relevant anymore.

Wtf, what "offline activation sites"? Why I haven't heard about it? How does it work? Can anyone savvy about this drop some tldr here?

 

[Nifft Batuff]

Has there been any Denuvo backlash in the jRPG community?

I don't think Japan is particularly advanced in these matters. In Japan even emulation is illegal.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

what "offline activation sites"?

i'm not up to date at all, but i'm rather confident the guy is bluffing or trolling, otherwise we would be already inundated everywhere with news and download links.

 

[Sentinel]

No new strategy, the game just doesn't make enough money to pay the subscription fee after 1 month of release.

 

[Elttharion]

So I found this on the Metaphor Steam forums:

You're years behind the new ways to pirate games. Denuvo offline activation sites are all the rage now. No cracking required. They have all the latest games on release day, Wukong, FC2025, FFXVI... Denuvo isn't relevant anymore.

Wtf, what "offline activation sites"? Why I haven't heard about it? How does it work? Can anyone savvy about this drop some tldr here?

You pay someone and they send you an account name and password, once you login steamguard will ask for a token and the seller will send it to you. These accounts usually only have the game you 'bought' so you will download the game from steam itself and then you need to stay offline and disable steam/windows updates. Basically that will generate a denuvo token and you can gameshare the game to your main account. You cant go online since presumably the seller will sell that account to a bunch of people and only one person can be active in that account at a time and because there is a limit to the number of tokens you can generate for a denuvo game every day. After a few days/weeks/etc you will need to go online again to either renew your denuvo token or update the game. A lot of these are either scams, stolen accounts or games purchased with stolen credit cards but there are some legit sellers.

Also the account can be randomly banned and as I mentioned there is a limit for the amount of denuvo tokens that can be generated each day so if the seller sold to too many people you can be locked out of the game until the number resets.

This works since you dont actually need to be online at all times to play denuvo games, most/all of them only require that you connect to their servers once in a while to renew your license.

 

[Elttharion]

Has there been any Denuvo backlash in the jRPG community?

What I'm seeing in the last two years or so is games that are a) wildly beloved and b) have Denuvo. IIRC that wouldn't be possible six, seven, eight years ago, Denuvo p. much meant a death sentence for everything except the most normie mainstream pap like FIFA or AssCreed.

Today you have games with Denuvo like Lies of P, Dragon's Dogma 2, Wukong, Metaphor, Monster Hunter Wilds plus a whole bunch of older jRPGs (SMT and others) that are almost universally beloved (well, Wilds isn't out yet but we all know it'll sell like hotcakes and collect 10/10s wall to wall).

As bad as denuvo is I wouldnt even rank it on the top 10 bullshit things I had/have to endure as a Jrpg player. Hell, its not even the worse DRM I found in Japanese games. There is a site called Johren and their DRM is so draconic you have a maximum total number of times you can activate the game. I think its 3 times and to install it on other devices or install it again you need to manually revoke the old license. If you lost access to your old PC or even changed a part you cant revoke the license and you are SOL. I have seen someone legitimately get told by Johren support that the only solution would be to create a new account and buy the game again.

 

[Hirato]

Denuvo used to do such things too when it still went by its older name of SecuROM.
But I think there was at least a means of revoking "license activations" remotely.

 

[cvv]

Denuvo used to do such things too when it still went by its older name of SecuROM.

I think that was Starforce. I remember being locked out of a legally purchased game and having to pirate it to keep playing.

DRMs used to be totally psychotic back in the day. Denuvo is a mild chicken soup in comparison.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

starforce is before any online shenanigans. that was the newer securom. starforce 3 bricked computers altogether. gears of war used securom 2.0 and at some point stopped working because its license had been paid only up to that point, while the pirated version worked.

 

[I eat frozen vegetables]

The main developer of Denuvo has been accused of asking a 13 year old to strip in lieu of monetary compensation.

 

[Morgoth]

The main developer of Denuvo has been accused of asking a 13 year old to strip in lieu of monetary compensation.

"He should be fed into a woodchipper. I don't mean for being a pedo though."

Great community you got there, dude.

 

[Morgoth]

PrK confirmed a Pedo.

 

[taxalot]

Is this child grooming thing the actual reason they are porting Denuvo to the Switch?

 

[Raghar]

Wow, we would have Denuvo on Switch. That's amazing. Always online DRM on console. What these advanced "western" and Japanese companies will not invent.

 

[DemonKing]

DRMs used to be totally psychotic back in the day. Denuvo is a mild chicken soup in comparison.

Agreed:

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

So I found this on the Metaphor Steam forums:

You're years behind the new ways to pirate games. Denuvo offline activation sites are all the rage now. No cracking required. They have all the latest games on release day, Wukong, FC2025, FFXVI... Denuvo isn't relevant anymore.

Wtf, what "offline activation sites"? Why I haven't heard about it? How does it work? Can anyone savvy about this drop some tldr here?

You pay someone and they send you an account name and password, once you login steamguard will ask for a token and the seller will send it to you. These accounts usually only have the game you 'bought' so you will download the game from steam itself and then you need to stay offline and disable steam/windows updates. Basically that will generate a denuvo token and you can gameshare the game to your main account. You cant go online since presumably the seller will sell that account to a bunch of people and only one person can be active in that account at a time and because there is a limit to the number of tokens you can generate for a denuvo game every day. After a few days/weeks/etc you will need to go online again to either renew your denuvo token or update the game. A lot of these are either scams, stolen accounts or games purchased with stolen credit cards but there are some legit sellers.

Also the account can be randomly banned and as I mentioned there is a limit for the amount of denuvo tokens that can be generated each day so if the seller sold to too many people you can be locked out of the game until the number resets.

This works since you dont actually need to be online at all times to play denuvo games, most/all of them only require that you connect to their servers once in a while to renew your license.

piracy in more modern times won because of conveniency. this sounds like the most convoluted torture ever concocted by insane mind.

 

[cvv]

piracy in more modern times won because of conveniency. this sounds like the most convoluted torture ever concocted by insane mind.

Yea, there's no way this kind of piracy can be a mass phenomenon. Only the dumbest or most desperate souls can fall for this shady shit.

 

[flyingjohn]

Agreed:

There was something even worse: