Game News The Dragon Age toolset is massive, just like the game.

[Shannow]

I am butthurt becaus eI am a faggot and me nfuck me in th eass. Period. Not bceause I am overly angered by something that doesn't meet mye xpectations and went awfully wrong. R00FLcopter.

Word.

 

[Volourn]

Butthurt over butthurt? WOW

 

[Shannow]

Butthurt over butthurt? WOW

Come on. You can do better. Where's the Volly of old?

 

[Mystary!]

Re: I dont understand

free-roaming game-design

This is apperently in again, last I heard. Locations and encounters will be different depending on the order you visit them.

 

[Scruffy]

A toolset is part of the game you buy so it's part of the game. Period.

bullshit
the toolset is a tool, not a finished product
i want a good finished product, i'm not paying for a fucking tool to make the game myself

if you go to a restaurant and order a meal, and they give you some lettuce and a live cow and tell you "here's the vegetables, and this is the tool we use to make steaks, figure it out yourself" that would NOT be what you are paying for.

man, fanbois suck.

 

[Mystary!]

Or its like lego, the image on the box might be a helicopter, but you can use those same pieces and build whatever, which is more fun.

 

[Scruffy]

Or its like lego, the image on the box might be a helicopter, but you can use those same pieces and build whatever, which is more fun.

i'm buying a GAME, which i expect to be the collective work of some minds, creative minds, producing their vision of a specific world/story/whatever.

if you are just selling a toolset, sell the toolset and make it half price.


edit

the bethesdish fanboyism is spreading to other houses, i feel surrounded by morons.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

How do you go from "game will probably be shit, but the tool may be cool" to "no game and shit tool isn't part of the game" in 3 posts

 

[Arcanoix]

Until I see proof that there is an exterior heightmap in the toolset, I'm going to stand by my words that the toolset will be just as shitty as the Witcher's toolset - where you have to buy 50 different programs and learn how to use THOSE tools to make decent areas for the primary toolset. FUCK THAT. Might I add that the one oriental designer (Scott I think?) pretty much confirmed that a lot of what they use in-house at EA-BioWare wouldn't be released with the DA Toolset.

 

[Scruffy]

How do you go from "game will probably be shit, but the tool may be cool" to "no game and shit tool isn't part of the game" in 3 posts

i don't
i still think that a so/so game with a good toolset could be nice but still fucked up, as i said earlier.

what i don't accept is the bethesda-like attitude of "who cares if the game is crap, mods will improve it"

i find that incredibily stupid

 

[GarfunkeL]

Didn't they say at some point that you can't create completely new areas like in NWN?

 

[New Wave Guru]

While toolsets are a good thing this is a dangerous pattern. Developers know that anything sells on consoles, but they also want to market the game to the PC fanbase they've built up over time. So, they release a toolset to shut the kids up. If you don't like anything you can just fix it!

I don't like this arrogant attitude they've developed. Now they're claiming it is the most powerful toolset ever made. Really. Definitively. The power is you! So aim high, reach for the stars, and let everyone praise Bioware's Dragon Age despite saying "Don't play the OC. It sucks."

This isn't like Legos, because Legos give you a cool airplane, or fort, or train to build that's cool and complex on its own. You don't get half assed instructions to build some half assed generic house along with broken pieces and instructions to go buy some superglue.

 

[Volourn]

"i'm buying a GAME, which i expect to be the collective work of some minds, creative minds, producing their vision of a specific world/story/whatever."

You are buying what'sever in the package. The toolset is a part of that so it counts. If you don't like that deal, don't buy it. OMFG! Options.


"I don't like this arrogant attitude they've developed."

L0L They have always been 'arrogant'. But, no more arrogant than pathetic retarted customers who think their shit don't stink. *cough* Codex *cough*

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Now they're claiming it is the most powerful toolset ever made. Really. Definitively.

meh, everyone says that about their own products, no big deal. You can't expect them to say that their product is "so-so and maybe 1 in a million fans will make something good with it."

Didn't they say at some point that you can't create completely new areas like in NWN?

I think they meant new textures, meshes, animations etc. Otherwise, that would be the weakest toolset ever.

 

[Scruffy]

You are buying what'sever in the package. The toolset is a part of that so it counts. If you don't like that deal, don't buy it. OMFG! Options.

You are just a fanboi, so trying to discuss any point with you is pointless, since as every other fanatic, once you enter the realm of their fanatism, their brain stops working and they just spit out the same shit over and over.

the fact that you are buying whatever is in the package means that there may be shit in the package, of course i'm not able to know that until i open the package, but by that time i already bought it.

a toolset is not what anyone is buying, if they are marketing a GAME, i expect to get a game, that is, a work including a decent story in a coherent world, i don't want to say a work of art but that's what it SHOULD get close to, since it's the result of minds working on it. I expect to see what these minds came up with, and i hope it to be entertaining and varied, i hope not to get the usual cliches, and i hope the money i spent is not dumped in the garbage. so it's not LOL OPTIONS, it's about wanting the industry of my favorite hobby to keep producing worthy stuff and not TOOLSETS.

if they want to release toolsets, they may say so and make it half price.

but you could not possibly understand simple logic because you are a fanatic, like feminists and such.

 

[Volourn]

"You are just a fanboi, so trying to discuss any point with you is pointless, since as every other fanatic, once you enter the realm of their fanatism, their brain stops working and they just spit out the same shit over and over."

As a fanatic,m wouldn't I play ALL their games? Wouldn't I NOT call KOTOR overrated? Wouldn't I rate the OC more than 75%?

btw, I believe any game that comes with a toolset m,eans that toolset is part of the game. period.


"the fact that you are buying whatever is in the package means that there may be shit in the package, of course i'm not able to know that until i open the package, but by that time i already bought it. "

Bullshit. The game is advertised as havinga toolset. Don't be a moron. It has nothing to do with BIO. this is true with ES games that come with a toolset or even Arcanum. Retard.


"a toolset is not what anyone is buying, if they are marketing a GAME"

They are marketing a agme including the toolset. They are hyping the toolset hence why this fuckin' thread exists. And, people are buying the toolset as part of the games' package.


"they may say so"

they did so. they are selling a game. The toolset is part of said game. And, they ar ehyping it for that reason.

You know exactly what you are paying for. Actual quality notwithstanding, of course.


"but you could not possibly understand simple logic because you are a fanatic, like feminists and such.
"

Pot. Kettle. Black. That's exactly what you are.


R00fles!

 

[Scruffy]

their brain stops working and they just spit out the same shit over and over.

btw, I believe any game that comes with a toolset m,eans that toolset is part of the game. period.


Bullshit. The game is advertised as havinga toolset.


They are marketing a agme including the toolset. They are hyping the toolset hence why this fuckin' thread exists. And, people are buying the toolset as part of the games' package.


they did so. they are selling a game. The toolset is part of said game.

 

[Volourn]

The same could be said for you. R00fles!

 

[GarfunkeL]

Planetickets already, bitches!

 

[FeelTheRads]

Then why don't you love Bethesda's games too, Volourn? They have very good toolsets, I hear.

 

[Bluebottle]

btw, I believe any game that comes with a toolset m,eans that toolset is part of the game. period.

I guess this would depend on whether you're exclusively a user of content generated in the toolset, or are the sort of person likely to be creating content yourself. From my perspective, as someone who would only be playing modules made by other people, I wouldn't consider the toolset as part of the game, so much as the content generated within it.
It may seem like a small distinction, but if it happens that little decent content is made with the toolset, then to me it represents absolutely no value whatsoever.

 

[Volourn]

"Then why don't you love Bethesda's games too, Volourn? They have very good toolsets, I hear."

Because Bethesda's games suck. A toolset is only part of the package not the entirety so soemtimes it just isn't enough*shrug*




"From my perspective, as someone who would only be playing modules made by other people, I wouldn't consider the toolset as part of the game, so much as the content generated within it"

It's completely irreleavnt if you use it. It's aprt of the package sold. Just like when you buy a toolset (the kind used to fix or puthtings together), they often comes with quite a bit of tools you may never use or don't care for but they are still part of the package you paid for.

Should those companies charge half if you don't use everything in the package? Of course not.

Same with cooking appliances that are bundled. You may not sue everything inlcuded but everything is part of the package.

You simply have tod ecide if the package is still worth purchasing even if a part of it isn't something you'd use.

I buy a DVD of a movie. They often come with 'extras'. They're included in the price. I don't watch them. Tough shit.

 

[Rhalle]

Until I see proof that there is an exterior heightmap in the toolset, I'm going to stand by my words that the toolset will be just as shitty as the Witcher's toolset - where you have to buy 50 different programs and learn how to use THOSE tools to make decent areas for the primary toolset. FUCK THAT. Might I add that the one oriental designer (Scott I think?) pretty much confirmed that a lot of what they use in-house at EA-BioWare wouldn't be released with the DA Toolset.

Recent vids make it look like it might actually be a toolset with tile-like world creation.

 

[Arcanoix]

Until I see proof that there is an exterior heightmap in the toolset, I'm going to stand by my words that the toolset will be just as shitty as the Witcher's toolset - where you have to buy 50 different programs and learn how to use THOSE tools to make decent areas for the primary toolset. FUCK THAT. Might I add that the one oriental designer (Scott I think?) pretty much confirmed that a lot of what they use in-house at EA-BioWare wouldn't be released with the DA Toolset.

Recent vids make it look like it might actually be a toolset with tile-like world creation.

Even more shitty.

 

[PrzeSzkoda]

My cock is massive, just like the dragon.