IHaveHugeNick
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And if you took the UI away from LoG, you couldn't possibly distinguish it from about 500 games that came before it.
You know why? Because corridor in a dungeon always looks the same.
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The Fall of the Dungeon Guardians - dungeon crawler with RTwP combat
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And if you took the UI away from LoG, you couldn't possibly distinguish it from about 500 games that came before it.
You know why? Because corridor in a dungeon always looks the same.
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Looking forward to this one as there just ain't enough blobbers out there - I feel the need to do my duty and support this genre.
Steam reviews are mostly positive. Any codexers that have given it a go?
Steam reviews are mostly positive. Any codexers that have given it a go?
Dorateen
Arcane
I am not going to delve into it just yet, but started poking around. If you can look past the superficial WoW-influences, which are irrelevant in a single player game anyway, this appears to be a straight forward grid-based dungeon crawler. More combat orientated, than puzzle based. The ability to pause and micro manage the party adds tactical depth that surpasses other real time games of this genre.
The first level seems introductory and tutorial. At least the pop up messages come from the party members, giving them a bit of flavor when the comments are in character.
I would think people who enjoyed Might & Magic X should not have an aversion to this game.
The first level seems introductory and tutorial. At least the pop up messages come from the party members, giving them a bit of flavor when the comments are in character.
I would think people who enjoyed Might & Magic X should not have an aversion to this game.
Whisper
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I strongly recommend this game.
It is NOT legend of grimrock. Different game completely. Combat is totally not grimrock, you cant step-dance to avoid enemy hits, you WILL take damage, you have to use pause a lot, for hard fights you will pause so often that it will look like it is Turn-Based game.
Though you cant really kite you will still be able to avoid biggest hits from enemy. Just need to time moving when enemy is in process of attacking with big hit.
If you play, dont choose difficulty above 3 from top (4 from top max), game is very hard on high difficulties.
It is NOT legend of grimrock. Different game completely. Combat is totally not grimrock, you cant step-dance to avoid enemy hits, you WILL take damage, you have to use pause a lot, for hard fights you will pause so often that it will look like it is Turn-Based game.
Though you cant really kite you will still be able to avoid biggest hits from enemy. Just need to time moving when enemy is in process of attacking with big hit.
If you play, dont choose difficulty above 3 from top (4 from top max), game is very hard on high difficulties.
ManuTOO
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mastroego,
already got 2 daily patches => http://steamcommunity.com/app/409450/discussions/0/490123727974362306/ .
Hopefully, today will be the last important one (it's mostly important if you want to play with a Ranger), as the bug report flow tends to dry now...
And the game is on sale till Friday..!
already got 2 daily patches => http://steamcommunity.com/app/409450/discussions/0/490123727974362306/ .
Hopefully, today will be the last important one (it's mostly important if you want to play with a Ranger), as the bug report flow tends to dry now...
And the game is on sale till Friday..!
Whisper
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I have some questions:
1. What is "dps graph display"?
2. What is shortcut for Attack?
3. What is shortcut for "select all members"?
4. How to change position of members (move portraits) in party? Also does it matter if party member is in front row or in back row?
1. What is "dps graph display"?
2. What is shortcut for Attack?
3. What is shortcut for "select all members"?
4. How to change position of members (move portraits) in party? Also does it matter if party member is in front row or in back row?
Nyast
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Game isn't bad on the combat/tactical side, but the level design is pretty uninspiring.
Seriously, monsters dropping keys on the ground, which are very hard to see, and which open doors at the other side of the level. Few secrets. Very repetitive, maze-like. Rooms have no unique elements or decoration. Lots of trash mobs.
I'm at level 3, I have killed everything and I can't move forward, a door is locked. I don't know where the key is. I've been revisiting every single square for the past 2 hours, inspecting the ground ( I guess a key dropped somewhere ), inspecting the walls, walking again and walking in the same corridors. Not my idea of fun. I had a similar problem at the end of level 2 too ( although shorther ). It seems like it's going to become a recurring problem in the game. Remember the end of Grimrock 1 and how you had to collect the gears in the empty levels before you could get to the end boss ? Well, it feels like that, but for every single level so far for me.
Don't get me wrong, it's not horrible and I recommand it, but make sure that's the kind of game you like first.
Seriously, monsters dropping keys on the ground, which are very hard to see, and which open doors at the other side of the level. Few secrets. Very repetitive, maze-like. Rooms have no unique elements or decoration. Lots of trash mobs.
I'm at level 3, I have killed everything and I can't move forward, a door is locked. I don't know where the key is. I've been revisiting every single square for the past 2 hours, inspecting the ground ( I guess a key dropped somewhere ), inspecting the walls, walking again and walking in the same corridors. Not my idea of fun. I had a similar problem at the end of level 2 too ( although shorther ). It seems like it's going to become a recurring problem in the game. Remember the end of Grimrock 1 and how you had to collect the gears in the empty levels before you could get to the end boss ? Well, it feels like that, but for every single level so far for me.
Don't get me wrong, it's not horrible and I recommand it, but make sure that's the kind of game you like first.
ManuTOO
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Nyast,
yup, letting people lose hours looking for missed loot isn't my idea of fun either, so I just added an option to highlight items dropped by the mobs. Hopefully, it'll help people to not miss a very needed key anymore.
However, I think after level 3 there's almost no more important drop by mobs, so you passed the most troublesome part already. (actually, I remember a couple ones, but you can't miss them, they aren't key )
EDIT:
forgot to say... I also just added an autopause that may give a turn based feeling to the game. It's not my idea, it was requested by TB lovers on the Steam Forum...
yup, letting people lose hours looking for missed loot isn't my idea of fun either, so I just added an option to highlight items dropped by the mobs. Hopefully, it'll help people to not miss a very needed key anymore.
However, I think after level 3 there's almost no more important drop by mobs, so you passed the most troublesome part already. (actually, I remember a couple ones, but you can't miss them, they aren't key
)EDIT:
forgot to say... I also just added an autopause that may give a turn based feeling to the game. It's not my idea, it was requested by TB lovers on the Steam Forum...
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When a lot of people work on a single program you add a lot of "overhead"...
Also a coder often can change something while being unaware of the effects that change has on other parts of the code.
A single coder has more work to do by himself, but he's certainly more efficient when it comes to maintain the program.... he knows where to look, which changes reverberate in other parts of the code and which ones don't, and so on.
I guess this explains what's happening here.
Also a coder often can change something while being unaware of the effects that change has on other parts of the code.
A single coder has more work to do by himself, but he's certainly more efficient when it comes to maintain the program.... he knows where to look, which changes reverberate in other parts of the code and which ones don't, and so on.
I guess this explains what's happening here.
jimboton
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Yeah, no. A Might and Magic dungeon is different to a Grimrock dungeon which looks nothing like an Elminage dungeon. Even in the days of 256 color palettes and lo res displays you wouldn't mistake a Dungeon Master dungeon with a LoL dungeon, a Wizardry dungeon, an Elvira dungeon, a Dark Heart of Uukrul dungeon.. or any other fucking 90's grid dungeon you care to mention.
This is all very 'I give you Grimrock's pretty textures without the hassle of dealing with LoG 2's beautiful design and clever puzzles so all you dumbasses can have some dungeon crawling "fun" too'. Which I guess may suit some here just fine
Whisper
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Advice for game:
Abiltiies have internal CD of 6 seconds. So you cant spam them. Exception being out-of-quee abilities (instant).
But you probably lose some dps from auto-attack if you use long-cast abilities instead of short-cast (not sure about this).
Abiltiies have internal CD of 6 seconds. So you cant spam them. Exception being out-of-quee abilities (instant).
But you probably lose some dps from auto-attack if you use long-cast abilities instead of short-cast (not sure about this).
ManuTOO
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Whisper,
as exposed by mastroego , I'm alone, so the whole process is much faster and all the information is within my brain (when I didn't forget it
) so no time lost on communication !
Plus I can't sleep when I know some people are prevented from enjoying my game because of some stupid bugs I didn't fix...
as exposed by mastroego , I'm alone, so the whole process is much faster and all the information is within my brain (when I didn't forget it
) so no time lost on communication !Plus I can't sleep when I know some people are prevented from enjoying my game because of some stupid bugs I didn't fix...
Doktor Best
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You let the codex help you with the name? Its one of the worst rpg names ive ever come across...
But im interested in the game, just lose the overly colourful hotkey symbols and were good to go. rtwp combat is actually a really decent choice for this game i think.
But im interested in the game, just lose the overly colourful hotkey symbols and were good to go. rtwp combat is actually a really decent choice for this game i think.
Lhynn
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Really? i think its fitting. Good title if a bit generic, but thats until you read what the game is about, then it clicks.
It's a pretty long name due to the high number of heavy syllables and somewhat aysmmetric in that you have a string of monosyllabic words followed by a compound of two polysyllabic ones. The initial "the" isn't all that common with games either --- the exception being titles that otherwise would be a bare noun (e.g. "The Fall" instead of "Fall"). Overall, it looks more like a book title to me. And then there's the unfortunate association with the movie Fall of the Guardians. Not a biggie, of course, despite all my sperging, and here's hoping that the target audience for a game like this won't be turned off by a slightly awkward name.
As for the actual game, I'm watching a let's play on youtube right now (pity there aren't more) and this looks surprisingly good. I expected Russian shovel ware-levels of awful, but this seems to be bug-free and polished with decent production values (modulo the bottom icons, which are too colorful compared to the rest of the art). There also seems to be quite a bit of verticality in the level design --- I can't remember any other grid-based dungeon crawler that puts enemies on a lower level of elevation and still allows them to shoot you through grates in the floor. You also can't cheese fights as much by hiding around corners because enemies can shoot diagonally. What I am missing is puzzles, traps, teleporters, hidden doors and all the other nice things that make a dungeon crawl more than the RPG equivalent of a corridor shooter. But that might still be coming, and I'll definitely take the game for a whirl over Thanksgiving.
As for the actual game, I'm watching a let's play on youtube right now (pity there aren't more) and this looks surprisingly good. I expected Russian shovel ware-levels of awful, but this seems to be bug-free and polished with decent production values (modulo the bottom icons, which are too colorful compared to the rest of the art). There also seems to be quite a bit of verticality in the level design --- I can't remember any other grid-based dungeon crawler that puts enemies on a lower level of elevation and still allows them to shoot you through grates in the floor. You also can't cheese fights as much by hiding around corners because enemies can shoot diagonally. What I am missing is puzzles, traps, teleporters, hidden doors and all the other nice things that make a dungeon crawl more than the RPG equivalent of a corridor shooter. But that might still be coming, and I'll definitely take the game for a whirl over Thanksgiving.
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ManuTOO
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Siobhan,
I guess you meant the movie "Rise of the Guardians", no ?
The puzzles come on Level 4 and afterwards (1 per level).
There's not much traps in the dungeon, except for the falling risk (but it's not really a trap, I guess).
Teleporters come in the 2nd part of the game.
Secrets start in the 2nd Level (1st Level = only the tutorial secret) ; there are between 2 and 5 of them in each level.
I guess you meant the movie "Rise of the Guardians", no ?
The puzzles come on Level 4 and afterwards (1 per level).
There's not much traps in the dungeon, except for the falling risk (but it's not really a trap, I guess).
Teleporters come in the 2nd part of the game.
Secrets start in the 2nd Level (1st Level = only the tutorial secret) ; there are between 2 and 5 of them in each level.
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Doktor Best
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Generic is a fitting word, and its the worst possible attribute for an indie crpg. There are stupid names out there like "two worlds two", or "black gay sir", but atleast they will gain some attention. This title makes me instantly click past the game on gog sales.
I dont want to sound like a jerk here cause i really like the premise of the game, im just adressing my concerns.
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