Game News The Game Awards 2024: Solasta II, The Witcher IV and The Outer Worlds 2

[damager]

Only politics I agree with should be allowed in games.

No thank you we have enough gays, trannies and disabled in games now

 

[The Nameless One]

It's just like with Star Trek: the right wing kids say it's political now, not realising it had been amazingly political in the Shatner era.

My brother, old Star Trek was political, the new one is preachy, there's a difference.

Political makes you think. Preachy tells you what to think.

this is the sort of cute and round phrase some smoothbrain may put in their twitter bio, but on rpgcodex.net i expect more, namely, examples.

draw your difference between 'making you think' and 'telling you what to think' basing on actual star trek plotlines.

Star Trek series were always leftist propaganda, in that our pig friend is correct though he probably wouldn't call it that way. However, it was a high quality one, made by talented people resulting in enjoyable entertainment. In fact that made it successful propaganda. Many people will claim it wasn't because something good can't be propaganda, right? Most people think propaganda = bad quality and very obvious. Star Treks, the original series and the ones from 80s-90-00s helped raise a whole generation (or rather 2 generations) of nerds in US with very stupid ideas ingrained in their minds from young age. The one we had today, in games or tv, hopefully, being low quality, isn't as successful, maybe even detracts some people - but i'm probably too optimistic.
In other words: the difference is in quality, talents of creators and times requiring different messages to push. Perhaps also self-awareness of the creators (hint: ST creators knew what they were doing). There is no difference in essence.

The fact that no one here mentioned TNG as the least shit ST is triggering.

 

[Serus]

It's just like with Star Trek: the right wing kids say it's political now, not realising it had been amazingly political in the Shatner era.

My brother, old Star Trek was political, the new one is preachy, there's a difference.

Political makes you think. Preachy tells you what to think.

this is the sort of cute and round phrase some smoothbrain may put in their twitter bio, but on rpgcodex.net i expect more, namely, examples.

draw your difference between 'making you think' and 'telling you what to think' basing on actual star trek plotlines.

Star Trek series were always leftist propaganda, in that our pig friend is correct though he probably wouldn't call it that way. However, it was a high quality one, made by talented people resulting in enjoyable entertainment. In fact that made it successful propaganda. Many people will claim it wasn't because something good can't be propaganda, right? Most people think propaganda = bad quality and very obvious. Star Treks, the original series and the ones from 80s-90-00s helped raise a whole generation (or rather 2 generations) of nerds in US with very stupid ideas ingrained in their minds from young age. The one we had today, in games or tv, hopefully, being low quality, isn't as successful, maybe even detracts some people - but i'm probably too optimistic.
In other words: the difference is in quality, talents of creators and times requiring different messages to push. Perhaps also self-awareness of the creators (hint: ST creators knew what they were doing). There is no difference in essence.

The fact that no one here mentioned TNG as the least shit ST is triggering.

Why it would be "least shit"? Star Treks are not "shit" at all. Early Star Treks are actually decent and in some ways unique - or at least the first three series are (TOS, TNG, DS9). Also a few movies. The fact that they were good entertainment made them good at putting ideas in watcher's head. TNG was the best propaganda of them all IMO. That's really not very relevant which one was the "best" in this case.
I like DS9 because it was the only one from the "old ST" where Federation wasn't this future (communist) paradise but just another flawed political entity. Maquis, secret operations conducted on the edge of the law, illegal genetic manipulations... That was a nice touch.

 

[The Nameless One]

It's just like with Star Trek: the right wing kids say it's political now, not realising it had been amazingly political in the Shatner era.

My brother, old Star Trek was political, the new one is preachy, there's a difference.

Political makes you think. Preachy tells you what to think.

this is the sort of cute and round phrase some smoothbrain may put in their twitter bio, but on rpgcodex.net i expect more, namely, examples.

draw your difference between 'making you think' and 'telling you what to think' basing on actual star trek plotlines.

Star Trek series were always leftist propaganda, in that our pig friend is correct though he probably wouldn't call it that way. However, it was a high quality one, made by talented people resulting in enjoyable entertainment. In fact that made it successful propaganda. Many people will claim it wasn't because something good can't be propaganda, right? Most people think propaganda = bad quality and very obvious. Star Treks, the original series and the ones from 80s-90-00s helped raise a whole generation (or rather 2 generations) of nerds in US with very stupid ideas ingrained in their minds from young age. The one we had today, in games or tv, hopefully, being low quality, isn't as successful, maybe even detracts some people - but i'm probably too optimistic.
In other words: the difference is in quality, talents of creators and times requiring different messages to push. Perhaps also self-awareness of the creators (hint: ST creators knew what they were doing). There is no difference in essence.

The fact that no one here mentioned TNG as the least shit ST is triggering.

Why it would be "least shit"? Star Treks are not "shit" at all. Early Star Treks are actually decent and in some ways unique - or at least the first three series are (TOS, TNG, DS9). Also a few movies. The fact that they were good entertainment made them good at putting ideas in watcher's head. TNG was the best propaganda of them all IMO. That's really not very relevant which one was the "best" in this case.
I like DS9 because it was the only one from the "old ST" where Federation wasn't this future (communist) paradise but just another flawed political entity. Maquis, secret operations conducted on the edge of the law, illegal genetic manipulations... That was a nice touch.

TNG had a lot of episodes that portrayed the Fed as being rotten to the very marrow. Conspiracy was one of them, mainly due to how they never cared to realize nor act in consequence when their top officials became infected by parasites, which they would have easily identified if they had some kind of proper command structure and had Picard have to clean up after their shit. They just presented the idea indirectly.

 

[Cohesion]

My worry is that the game will be boring and unoriginal.

But political? It better be. The Witcher games and novels have always been political and it's one the few interesting things about them.

It's just like with Star Trek: the right wing kids say it's political now, not realising it had been amazingly political in the Shatner era. Shows such as ST: Discovery might be shit, but they're shit because the scripts are bad and the ideas very very safe and constrained; not because they're political. Now they're not political enough.

There is a difference between political and retarded fantasy propaganda, with a hefty dose of degeneracy.

What do you think about Ursula Le Guin novels?

 

[Zombra]

Media that represents my point of view is not propaganda, it's just cool people telling it like it is. Media that represents your point of view is propaganda.

 

[Hammer Of The Heretics]

I have 100% encountered media that pushed a message I agreed with, but which I can easily identify as propaganda. (And it utterly failed as entertainment, as propaganda usually does.)

 

[Alienman]

What do you think about Ursula Le Guin novels?

Never read. How come?

 

[RobotSquirrel]

There are only 2 genders: male and political

There can be only one!

 

[Zombra]

I have 100% encountered media that pushed a message I agreed with, but which I can easily identify as propaganda. (And it utterly failed as entertainment, as propaganda usually does.)

Sure. My idiot posts are in response to the general and persistent Codexian vibe that "Media is all propaganda now, it was never like this in my day." Like, the day that I grew up also happened to be the day that America lost its innocence. Before that everything was great and everyone else who complained before me was wrong, because when I was young everything was wholesome. You see it in pretty much every thread here but man it is right out in the open in this one.

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

I have 100% encountered media that pushed a message I agreed with, but which I can easily identify as propaganda. (And it utterly failed as entertainment, as propaganda usually does.)

Sure. My idiot posts are in response to the general and persistent Codexian vibe that "Media is all propaganda now, it was never like this in my day." Like, the day that I grew up also happened to be the day that America lost its innocence. Before that everything was great and everyone else who complained before me was wrong, because when I was young everything was wholesome. You see it in pretty much every thread here but man it is right out in the open in this one.

People have tendency to develop allergies against propaganda when they start noticing it.
That's probably just a immune reaction from healthy soul.

 

[Zombra]

People have tendency to develop allergies against propaganda when they start noticing it.
That's probably just a immune reaction from healthy soul.

Yeah. And I love all this. What gets me cranking is the rose-colored glasses about the past. "How dare people push their point of view in 2024!"

 

[Hammer Of The Heretics]

I have 100% encountered media that pushed a message I agreed with, but which I can easily identify as propaganda. (And it utterly failed as entertainment, as propaganda usually does.)

Sure. My idiot posts are in response to the general and persistent Codexian vibe that "Media is all propaganda now, it was never like this in my day."

There are examples of propaganda masquerading as entertainment from decades ago. The cartoon "Captain Planet" was environmentalist propaganda, for example. I'm sure with research I could track down examples from well before I was born.

I do have the sense the propaganda has gotten more frequent in recent years, but I'm not sure I could back that up with hard data.