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The Inquisitor - alternate timeline where Jesus came off the cross and killed the non-believers

9ted6

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The steam forums are in a state of mild holy war. Apparently a lot of people reaaaaaly didn't like the sacrilege here.
It doesn't seem to have the woke content people predicted but how anti religious is it?

The setting is apparently heavily inspired by Warhammer 40k so I don't think people familiar with the premise expected "woke" content.
40k's subtext is pretty woke. It draws alot of the atheist leftoid crowd which is what seemed like this game's target audience.

Now that I'm reading the book author's a rightoid conservative and that in the books the premise gets subverted, I really don't know what the intent of it all is.
 

La vie sexuelle

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The steam forums are in a state of mild holy war. Apparently a lot of people reaaaaaly didn't like the sacrilege here.
It doesn't seem to have the woke content people predicted but how anti religious is it?

The setting is apparently heavily inspired by Warhammer 40k so I don't think people familiar with the premise expected "woke" content.
40k's subtext is pretty woke. It draws alot of the atheist leftoid crowd which is what seemed like this game's target audience.

Now that I'm reading the book author's a rightoid conservative and that in the books the premise gets subverted, I really don't know what the intent of it all is.

Reactions you receive prove that a certain part of the human population is completely resistant to irony and takes the world of Warhammer literally (although with this stupid metaplot with the deification of Roboute, Guilliman strips Warhammer word of this irony a bit).
 

Tyranicon

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The steam forums are in a state of mild holy war. Apparently a lot of people reaaaaaly didn't like the sacrilege here.
It doesn't seem to have the woke content people predicted but how anti religious is it?

The setting is apparently heavily inspired by Warhammer 40k so I don't think people familiar with the premise expected "woke" content.
40k's subtext is pretty woke. It draws alot of the atheist leftoid crowd which is what seemed like this game's target audience.

Now that I'm reading the book author's a rightoid conservative and that in the books the premise gets subverted, I really don't know what the intent of it all is.

Reactions you receive prove that a certain part of the human population is completely resistant to irony and takes the world of Warhammer literally (although with this stupid metaplot with the deification of Roboute, Guilliman strips Warhammer word of this irony a bit).

There's a few things to unpack here.

1. Yes, 40k started off as some bizzare punk SciFi parody a la Judge Dredd/2000 AD
2. Over time, it went from being a parody to hyper ultra grimdark, to lame grimdark, to whatever the fuck it is now (corporate sanitized grimdark?)
3. This led to a stratified fanbase of early edition fans (grognards), middle edition fans (grimdark enthusiasts) and modern edition fans (Horus Heresy noobs). Like most hobbies, older fans generally hate the changes that it went through
4. At no point would I characterize anything in 40k as being "woke," subtext or otherwise. In fact, it garnered an audience is... militantly against woke elements.
5. Since the setting is becoming more and more mainstream, Games Workshop is trying to sanitize its image for the normies, and is now introducing more woke elements.
6. Older fans generally hate this.
7. Somebody should post that comic about hobbies being destroyed now.
 

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The steam forums are in a state of mild holy war. Apparently a lot of people reaaaaaly didn't like the sacrilege here.
It doesn't seem to have the woke content people predicted but how anti religious is it?

The setting is apparently heavily inspired by Warhammer 40k so I don't think people familiar with the premise expected "woke" content.
40k's subtext is pretty woke. It draws alot of the atheist leftoid crowd which is what seemed like this game's target audience.

Now that I'm reading the book author's a rightoid conservative and that in the books the premise gets subverted, I really don't know what the intent of it all is.

Reactions you receive prove that a certain part of the human population is completely resistant to irony and takes the world of Warhammer literally (although with this stupid metaplot with the deification of Roboute, Guilliman strips Warhammer word of this irony a bit).

There's a few things to unpack here.

1. Yes, 40k started off as some bizzare punk SciFi parody a la Judge Dredd/2000 AD
2. Over time, it went from being a parody to hyper ultra grimdark, to lame grimdark, to whatever the fuck it is now (corporate sanitized grimdark?)
3. This led to a stratified fanbase of early edition fans (grognards), middle edition fans (grimdark enthusiasts) and modern edition fans (Horus Heresy noobs). Like most hobbies, older fans generally hate the changes that it went through
4. At no point would I characterize anything in 40k as being "woke," subtext or otherwise. In fact, it garnered an audience is... militantly against woke elements.
5. Since the setting is becoming more and more mainstream, Games Workshop is trying to sanitize its image for the normies, and is now introducing more woke elements.
6. Older fans generally hate this.
7. Somebody should post that comic about hobbies being destroyed now.

With ifunny watermark!

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There is not much qualitative difference between self-harm and collecting Warhammer figurines
 

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Hey! How do you categorize the first Dawn of War? As grimdark, ultra grimdark or lame grimdark?
I would say lame grimdark. Simply because DoW (and like 90% of other 40K games) in a nutshell is a game about space marines vs space orks, chain swords and explosions no more no less. While 40K universe is actually a lot more deeper, interesting and depressing then that. Rogue Trader managed to show some of that (more or less).
 

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Hey! How do you categorize the first Dawn of War? As grimdark, ultra grimdark or lame grimdark?
I would say lame grimdark. Simply because DoW (and like 90% of other 40K games) in a nutshell is a game about space marines vs space orks, chain swords and explosions no more no less. While 40K universe is actually a lot more deeper, interesting and depressing then that. Rogue Trader managed to show some of that (more or less).

While I loved DOW and sunk hundreds of hours into it and mods, it's just not a good representation of 40k. You've got weak spess marhines pewing pewing with machine guns instead of bolters, a fairly cartoonish story for each installment that gets worse (even though I did like Angelos and the Imperial Guard from Winter Assault), etc.

But we are diverging much too far from the original topic, which I'm actually interested in. Although at this point, it might be more fun just to keep watching the walkthrough of Inquisitor than actually playing it.
 

GloomFrost

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Hey! How do you categorize the first Dawn of War? As grimdark, ultra grimdark or lame grimdark?
I would say lame grimdark. Simply because DoW (and like 90% of other 40K games) in a nutshell is a game about space marines vs space orks, chain swords and explosions no more no less. While 40K universe is actually a lot more deeper, interesting and depressing then that. Rogue Trader managed to show some of that (more or less).

While I loved DOW and sunk hundreds of hours into it and mods, it's just not a good representation of 40k. You've got weak spess marhines pewing pewing with machine guns instead of bolters, a fairly cartoonish story for each installment that gets worse (even though I did like Angelos and the Imperial Guard from Winter Assault), etc.

But we are diverging much too far from the original topic, which I'm actually interested in. Although at this point, it might be more fun just to keep watching the walkthrough of Inquisitor than actually playing it.
Yep its a 100% storyfag game. Ironically enough that that the most gameplay heavy sections (unworld and boss fights) are the most annoying at the same time. Game is not terrible but I do regret paying full price for it.
 

9ted6

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The steam forums are in a state of mild holy war. Apparently a lot of people reaaaaaly didn't like the sacrilege here.
It doesn't seem to have the woke content people predicted but how anti religious is it?

The setting is apparently heavily inspired by Warhammer 40k so I don't think people familiar with the premise expected "woke" content.
40k's subtext is pretty woke. It draws alot of the atheist leftoid crowd which is what seemed like this game's target audience.

Now that I'm reading the book author's a rightoid conservative and that in the books the premise gets subverted, I really don't know what the intent of it all is.

Reactions you receive prove that a certain part of the human population is completely resistant to irony and takes the world of Warhammer literally (although with this stupid metaplot with the deification of Roboute, Guilliman strips Warhammer word of this irony a bit).
4. At no point would I characterize anything in 40k as being "woke," subtext or otherwise. In fact, it garnered an audience is... militantly against woke elements.
You must not check out many 40k communities.

Its fandom online is overwhelmingly woke or at least woke adjacent. I've rarely seen someone talking about 40k who doesn't state their pronouns and complain about capitalism.

GamesWorkshop itself told rightoid fans to leave the hobby and they quote "will not be missed" and the game's leftoid designers from both the past and present have stated repeatedly that its setting was meant to promote leftoid viewpoints.

To go back to the main topic it's not at all hard to expect a game like this would be woke.
 

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You must not check out many 40k communities.

A lot of me is still stuck back 10-15 years ago, and that includes my knowledge of warhammer communities. To be fair, I think by online you mean mostly Twitter and other social media, which you know, you should expect to swing heavily one side or the other.

By my perception, 40k has been largely apolitical. If it's "creators" meant different, it completely flew over my head and plenty of other people. But I think it's just modern virtue signaling.

I've rarely seen someone talking about 40k who doesn't list their pronouns and complain about capitalism.

Bruh, where are you even?

:nocountryforshitposters:
 

Harthwain

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To go back to the main topic it's not at all hard to expect a game like this would be woke.
You're clearly spewing out bullshit because you have no idea what you're talking about. If the game is anything like the books, then calling it woke is sheer idiocy on your part. Nothing I have seen from it so far suggest anything woke. In fact, it seems to stay true to the spirit of the books (which is pretty metal. Reminds me a lot of Call of Juarez and Reverend Ray McCall, who could quote the Old Testament while dispensing God's Judgement with his revolvers).
 

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To go back to the main topic it's not at all hard to expect a game like this would be woke.
You're clearly spewing out bullshit because you have no idea what you're talking about. If the game is anything like the books, then calling it woke is sheer idiocy on your part. Nothing I have seen from it so far suggest anything woke. In fact, it seems to stay true to the spirit of the books (which is pretty metal. Reminds me a lot of Call of Juarez and Reverend Ray McCall, who could quote the Old Testament while dispensing God's Judgement with his revolvers).
I can confirm that there is no woke shit in the game whatsoever. Its very dark, depressing low fantasy medieval setting. Atmosphere wise its absolutely like the books. If you haven't read them then think Disciples 2, Diablo 1,2, Inquisitor (2012), King Arthur Knights Tale.
 

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To go back to the main topic it's not at all hard to expect a game like this would be woke.
You're clearly spewing out bullshit because you have no idea what you're talking about. If the game is anything like the books, then calling it woke is sheer idiocy on your part. Nothing I have seen from it so far suggest anything woke. In fact, it seems to stay true to the spirit of the books (which is pretty metal. Reminds me a lot of Call of Juarez and Reverend Ray McCall, who could quote the Old Testament while dispensing God's Judgement with his revolvers).
I can confirm that there is no woke shit in the game whatsoever. Its very dark, depressing low fantasy medieval setting. Atmosphere wise its absolutely like the books. If you haven't read them then think Disciples 2, Diablo 1,2, Inquisitor (2012), King Arthur Knights Tale.

But is it good to play?
 

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It's like some of you forgot that being extremely anti religion, especially Christianity, is a very common woke theme. Woke media almost always shows religious people as stupid and hateful.

I don't know if the books themselves are like that though.
 

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It's like some of you forgot that being extremely anti religion, especially Christianity, is a very common woke theme. Woke media almost always shows religious people as stupid and hateful.

I don't know if the books themselves are like that though.
They only show one religion as stupid and hateful and it's not the right one
 
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Did you read the books in English? If so, how is the quality?

I've been reading them since 2004 and despite my soft spot for them and unique setting it's nothing more than fanfic-level graphomania. Author is known of being edgy pseudo right-wing propagandist, he also used to be a game journalist in Gambler magazine.

Those books are poorly written, should have enden with Volume 5 called Black Death planned for 2008 but it was cancelled and since then saga turned into prequel shitfest, Piekara always promises 'ok, just 2-3 more prequels and we would back to Black Death' but that never happened and he's still milking his fanbase shamelessly.
 

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I've been them since 2004 and despite my soft spot for them and unique it's nothing more than fanfic-level graphomania.
I'd say it is competently written. The twist with the religion is an interesting premise to explore, the characters and their motivations are believable, the world feels down-to-earth and the perspective of the main character is done very well. But I do agree that after Soul Hunters the author just keeps repeating himself. The reason being the story is locked so he can't do prequels that contradict his "later" works and as a result certain phrases beging to get old (and he keeps delving more and more into the magical aspect of the main character's past, which I find less interesting than his present job and religious aspects).

Overall, I am liking this series a bit more than Lord of the Ice Garden series (where the first book is my favourite and the rest are decent enough to read).
 
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I'd say it is competently written.
He is just filling pages with meaningless shit e.g. what's the point of describing how fucking shersken works in EVERY novel in EVER main book and most of the prequels? I'ts a definition of graphomania and comparing Piekara to Grzędowicz is an insult. And I'm not even starting on how bad those ubiquitous 'porn' scenes are.
 

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He is just filling pages with meaningless shit e.g. what's the point of describing how fucking shersken works in EVERY novel in EVER main book and most of the prequels? I'ts a definition of graphomania and comparing Piekara to Grzędowicz is an insult.
Like I said (and agreed with you) - at some point (after the 4th book) he goes into the repeat mode. But if we look only at the first four books I think both series are fairly comparable and which one anyone likes more depends on personal preference at this point (I am a big fan of Christian elements, for example).
 

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Overall, I am liking this series a bit more than Lord of the Ice Garden series (where the first book is my favourite and the rest are decent enough to read).
Ice Garden would be pretty good if only the sequel novels did not copy the exact structure of book 1. Main character (who seems to be the author's shamelessly idealized self-insert) explores the alien planet and meets its denizens, gathers power to face the big bad, then they duel and he gets defeated, only to miraculously survive and later come back for more punishment.

Seems like Grzędowicz used up most of his ideas for the first book in the series.
 

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Ice Garden would be pretty good if only the sequel novels did not copy the exact structure of book 1. Main character (who seems to be the author's shamelessly idealized self-insert) explores the alien planet and meets its denizens, gathers power to face the big bad, then they duel and he gets defeated, only to miraculously survive and later come back for more punishment.

Seems like Grzędowicz used up most of his ideas for the first book in the series.
True. I will also add that I like how the main character acts BEFORE he gets magical powers. Don't get me wrong, it can be interesting too, but I find it less interesting than the initial setup and exploration.
 

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To go back to the main topic it's not at all hard to expect a game like this would be woke.
You're clearly spewing out bullshit because you have no idea what you're talking about. If the game is anything like the books, then calling it woke is sheer idiocy on your part. Nothing I have seen from it so far suggest anything woke. In fact, it seems to stay true to the spirit of the books (which is pretty metal. Reminds me a lot of Call of Juarez and Reverend Ray McCall, who could quote the Old Testament while dispensing God's Judgement with his revolvers).
I can confirm that there is no woke shit in the game whatsoever. Its very dark, depressing low fantasy medieval setting. Atmosphere wise its absolutely like the books. If you haven't read them then think Disciples 2, Diablo 1,2, Inquisitor (2012), King Arthur Knights Tale.

But is it good to play?
Short answer is No. You basically run from one marker to another. Dialogues are well written, characters are interesting and your responses do matter but there is no inventory, skills or stats. Every hour or so you travel to "unworld" where you have to fight and run away from things. But those sections are NOT fun. Oh and there are no proper saves just stupid ass checkpoints. I would say wait for like 75% sale and play it for the plot.
 

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Did you read the books in English? If so, how is the quality?

I've been reading them since 2004 and despite my soft spot for them and unique setting it's nothing more than fanfic-level graphomania. Author is known of being edgy pseudo right-wing propagandist, he also used to be a game journalist in Gambler magazine.

Those books are poorly written, should have enden with Volume 5 called Black Death planned for 2008 but it was cancelled and since then saga turned into prequel shitfest, Piekara always promises 'ok, just 2-3 more prequels and we would back to Black Death' but that never happened and he's still milking his fanbase shamelessly.
Yeah the decision to write prequels and not the 5th book is proper annoying because I genuinely enjoyed the cliff-hanger of the 4th book. Btw another super annoying thing about the game is how they showed "unworld" and the fact that you need to go there literally EVERY HOUR. Decline.
 

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