The Last Of Us Part II Remastered - coming to PC on April 3rd

[sullynathan]

codexers still in denial

Beaten by a Switch exclusive that is not even Mario or Pokemon, oof.

Nintendo games sell very well actually, usually better than Sony. That's ignoring Mario and Pokémon. Breath of the wild still outsold just about every PS4 exclusive. Animal crossing too.

 

[cvv]

I think Last Jedi's issues have barely anything to do with woke shit. It's more just boring and tries to deconstruct Star Wars in a stupid way no one wanted.

You...do understand that deconstruction is the principal element of wokeness right? It's basically a different word for wokeness.

All of Disney's stuff is woke as fuck and they're the biggest successes on average

Disney started to get woke only recently. Most Avengers movies weren't woke, nor was any Star Wars except TLJ. The true Disney wokefest will get rolled out soon, with the "female driven Star Wars" and the next MCU phase with female Thor and black Captain America. And I'm sure the first few entries will still make a billion+. But MCU will disintegrate eventually, if Chapek doesn't change course (unlikely, he'd be MeeTooed).

So I'll repeat for the 10th time - when it comes to these huge IPs wokeness isn't gonna obliterate them overnight. It's gonna take years. TLJ started destroying the brand in 2017 and it will take at least several more to finish the job. Ditto for Star Trek or Doctor Who.

And same for TLoU or Naughty Dog in general. With Druckmann at the helm they will degenerate from a prestige studio to average chaff in a few years.

P.S.: This is not really for your sake, I'm sure you'll keep pulling your "haha you all stupid, wokeness sells grate" schtick in other threads in the future. This is really for people genuinely trying to understand.

 

[Terenty]

The argument that TLoU2's first week sales only reflected on the original was a good one. If it's really gone on to be Sony's third-best selling exclusive ever though, that argument quickly becomes a fallacy.

Third best after God of War. I can bet you anything Last of us 2 had a much higher development and marketing budget than Gow. And being a sequel to such a behemoth as Last of us 1 is the only reason it sold as much as it did. Then its sales suddenly flatlined. It should have been the biggest release sales wise rivaling Spider Man, not tailing behind Gow.

 

[DalekFlay]

Third best after God of War. I can bet you anything Last of us 2 had a much higher development and marketing budget than Gow. And being a sequel to such a behemoth as Last of us 1 is the only reason it sold as much as it did. Then its sales suddenly flatlined. It should have been the biggest release sales wise rivaling Spider Man, not tailing behind Gow.

So you're saying third-best in sales ever already isn't impressive, because the first game was very popular... which according to these figures this one already outsold overall in a couple months. Do you even roll something like that around in your head for a while before writing it, or does it just flow out from a place of hopes and dreams?

 

[Terenty]

Third best after God of War. I can bet you anything Last of us 2 had a much higher development and marketing budget than Gow. And being a sequel to such a behemoth as Last of us 1 is the only reason it sold as much as it did. Then its sales suddenly flatlined. It should have been the biggest release sales wise rivaling Spider Man, not tailing behind Gow.

So you're saying third-best in sales ever already isn't impressive, because the first game was very popular... which according to these figures this one already outsold overall in a couple months. Do you even roll something like that around in your head for a while before writing it, or does it just flow out from a place of hopes and dreams?

Ok, how come the most, maybe second most hyped game of the generation sells worse than Gow?

 

[DalekFlay]

Ok, how come the most, maybe second most hyped game of the generation sells worse than Gow?

I think "selling more than its prequel did lifetime in 2 months and the third best selling Playstation exclusive of all time after 2 months" is a pretty hard thing to spin into a negative, but damn if you aren't gonna try anyway!

God of War came out more than 2 years ago btw.

 

[Terenty]

God of War came out more than 2 years ago btw.

Yeah, it had smaller install base too. Anyway, the point is, tlou 2 could have sold much more if the reception wasn't muddled by the controversy

 

[Alienman]

It seems many initially bought Last of Us II, but checking for example a Swedish ebay-like site there is tons of Last of Us 2 up for sale, and relativity cheap when it hasn't been out long at all. Looks like Druckmann (like people have been saying) shot himself in the foot with his wokeness. Sales might have been good now, but what about future Last of Us games?

Spoiler

Since the release of the game the PS4 section have been hammered with people selling their copy. That has to mean something.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

If adding progressive elements to your game has no effect on its success and get woke go broke isn't real, does that mean gamers aren't super racist homophobic shitgoblins that think women should be locked in breeding cages with their mouths sewn shut?

 

[Morpheus Kitami]

Gross seems to be a strange choice of words. Gross would naturally lead toward Sony-published games being more dominate, since those would naturally get more of a revenue share compared to the latest Call of Duty. Just a thought.

 

[DalekFlay]

If adding progressive elements to your game has no effect on its success and get woke go broke isn't real, does that mean gamers aren't super racist homophobic shitgoblins that think women should be locked in breeding cages with their mouths sewn shut?

The vast majority of people get annoyed by something they find offensive or get annoyed when they think something is too PC, but if they enjoy the game they get over it, play it and then go on with their lives. It's the obsessive nutcases who rant about it and post SJW crusade bullshit or whiny bitching about the death of the white man. Thanks to the grand invention of the internet, we have to listen to all of them.

 

[Dexter]

Bragging about oddly specific records (Play Station exclusive, third highest grossing game in the US in 2020 alone) - Check

That’s according to the latest report from NPD Group, which indicates that the Naughty Dog exclusive is behind only Marvel’s Spider-Man and 2018’s God of War in life-to-date dollar sales for Sony’s first-party titles.

It doesn't even say "exclusive", it says "first-party". What other Sony first-party titles are there for it to even compete with? Bloodborne for instance isn't a first-party title, even though it was a PS4 Excl00sive.
None of the actual best selling games from RockStar (GTA/Red Dead), the Call of Duties, the FIFAs etc. or various random EA titles would be included here, and for some reason they left out Uncharted 4 even though that one supposedly beat Spider-Man in total Sales, did it sell better in the EU or something?: https://gaminggorilla.com/best-selling-ps4-games/

Even if the article didn't get anything wrong summing it up, I guess this effectively means it grossed better than Days Gone, Knack, Killzone: Shadow Fall and Horizon: Zero Dawn in the U.S. in its first few weeks? What amazing new-found spring of information.

It's the obsessive nutcases who rant about it and post SJW crusade bullshit or whiny bitching about the death of the white man. Thanks to the grand invention of the internet, we have to listen to all of them.

Yes, people pointing out SJW bullshit in entertainment products are the real plague and problem of our Current Year, the grand invention of the Internet couldn't possibly have unearthed anything worse than that. Also for someone with such a low opinion of "whiny snowflake bitches", you sure come off as awfully whiny lately:

Whiny snowflake bitches are annoying on all sides, but don't expect the whiny snowflake bitches on this forum to agree with that.

 

[DeepOcean]

Delekflay reads like your old uncle that really barely keep track of things on the last 20 years and assumes the world didnt change a bit.

DC comics is being eviscerated right now for not selling, Marvel comics is also selling like shit, DC series like Batwoman are being cancelled left and right, Disney Star Wars is underperformong hard, the merchandising business is dead. I can make a bigger list and go on excruciating detail how sjw bs is involved on all that but it is not worthy.

 

[The Decline]

Delekflay reads like your old uncle that really barely keep track of things on the last 20 years and assumes the world didnt change a bit.

DC comics is being eviscerated right now for not selling, Marvel comics is also selling like shit, DC series like Batwoman are being cancelled left and right, Disney Star Wars is underperformong hard, the merchandising business is dead. I can make a bigger list and go on excruciating detail how sjw bs is involved on all that but it is not worthy.

Didn't The Force Awakens basically kill Toys R Us?

 

[JDR13]

God of War came out more than 2 years ago btw.

Yeah, it had smaller install base too. Anyway, the point is, tlou 2 could have sold much more if the reception wasn't muddled by the controversy

Where do you get that from? If anything, GoW has a larger install base. It's been one of Sony's best selling franchises since the Playstation 2.

Your argument that TLoU 2 only sold big because it's a sequel but not applying the same logic to GoW is pure retardation.

 

[JDR13]

Delekflay reads like your old uncle that really barely keep track of things on the last 20 years and assumes the world didnt change a bit.

DC comics is being eviscerated right now for not selling, Marvel comics is also selling like shit, DC series like Batwoman are being cancelled left and right, Disney Star Wars is underperformong hard, the merchandising business is dead. I can make a bigger list and go on excruciating detail how sjw bs is involved on all that but it is not worthy.

Didn't The Force Awakens basically kill Toys R Us?

Nah.. Toys R Us has been dying for years like most brick and mortar stores.

 

[Terenty]

God of War came out more than 2 years ago btw.

Yeah, it had smaller install base too. Anyway, the point is, tlou 2 could have sold much more if the reception wasn't muddled by the controversy

Where do you get that from? If anything, GoW has a larger install base. It's been one of Sony's best selling franchises since the Playstation 2.

Your argument that TLoU 2 only sold big because it's a sequel but not applying the same logic to GoW is pure retardation.

Install base as in console owners. In the beginning of 2018, when Gow released, Sony reported 73 mil units sold. In 2020 its 112 mil. Quite the difference don't you think?

I'm aware that Gow initial sales were hype driven as well, although we can argue how much hype there was for Gow and for Tlou 2, but it continued to sell well past its first month, unlike Tlou 2, sales of which are rather shitty for a game of that caliber. (All of this according to gamestat.com)

 

[JDR13]

God of War came out more than 2 years ago btw.

Yeah, it had smaller install base too. Anyway, the point is, tlou 2 could have sold much more if the reception wasn't muddled by the controversy

Where do you get that from? If anything, GoW has a larger install base. It's been one of Sony's best selling franchises since the Playstation 2.

Your argument that TLoU 2 only sold big because it's a sequel but not applying the same logic to GoW is pure retardation.

Install base as in console owners. In the beginning of 2018, when Gow released, Sony reported 73 mil units sold. In 2020 its 112 mil. Quite the difference don't you think?

I'm aware that Gow initial sales were hype driven as well, although we can argue how much hype there was for Gow and for Tlou 2, but it continued to sell well past its first month, unlike Tlou 2, sales of which are rather shitty for a game of that caliber. (All of this according to gamestat.com)

Lol... is something blocking the current install base from buying copies of GoW?

Also, you might want to check your link. It doesn't lead to anything.

 

[Terenty]

God of War came out more than 2 years ago btw.

Yeah, it had smaller install base too. Anyway, the point is, tlou 2 could have sold much more if the reception wasn't muddled by the controversy

Where do you get that from? If anything, GoW has a larger install base. It's been one of Sony's best selling franchises since the Playstation 2.

Your argument that TLoU 2 only sold big because it's a sequel but not applying the same logic to GoW is pure retardation.

Install base as in console owners. In the beginning of 2018, when Gow released, Sony reported 73 mil units sold. In 2020 its 112 mil. Quite the difference don't you think?

I'm aware that Gow initial sales were hype driven as well, although we can argue how much hype there was for Gow and for Tlou 2, but it continued to sell well past its first month, unlike Tlou 2, sales of which are rather shitty for a game of that caliber. (All of this according to gamestat.com)

Lol... is something blocking the current install base from buying copies of GoW?

Also, you might want to check your link. It doesn't lead to anything.

Nothing prevents, the game still sells, 23 mil owners.

Gamstat.com

 

[JDR13]

God of War came out more than 2 years ago btw.

Yeah, it had smaller install base too. Anyway, the point is, tlou 2 could have sold much more if the reception wasn't muddled by the controversy

Where do you get that from? If anything, GoW has a larger install base. It's been one of Sony's best selling franchises since the Playstation 2.

Your argument that TLoU 2 only sold big because it's a sequel but not applying the same logic to GoW is pure retardation.

Install base as in console owners. In the beginning of 2018, when Gow released, Sony reported 73 mil units sold. In 2020 its 112 mil. Quite the difference don't you think?

I'm aware that Gow initial sales were hype driven as well, although we can argue how much hype there was for Gow and for Tlou 2, but it continued to sell well past its first month, unlike Tlou 2, sales of which are rather shitty for a game of that caliber. (All of this according to gamestat.com)

Lol... is something blocking the current install base from buying copies of GoW?

Also, you might want to check your link. It doesn't lead to anything.

Nothing prevents, the game still sells, 23 mil owners.

Gamstat.com

That was exactly my point.

Also, I wouldn't put too much stock into that site. There's a disclaimer right on the front page that says the numbers are not official and are estimates.

 

[Terenty]

God of War came out more than 2 years ago btw.

Yeah, it had smaller install base too. Anyway, the point is, tlou 2 could have sold much more if the reception wasn't muddled by the controversy

Where do you get that from? If anything, GoW has a larger install base. It's been one of Sony's best selling franchises since the Playstation 2.

Your argument that TLoU 2 only sold big because it's a sequel but not applying the same logic to GoW is pure retardation.

Install base as in console owners. In the beginning of 2018, when Gow released, Sony reported 73 mil units sold. In 2020 its 112 mil. Quite the difference don't you think?

I'm aware that Gow initial sales were hype driven as well, although we can argue how much hype there was for Gow and for Tlou 2, but it continued to sell well past its first month, unlike Tlou 2, sales of which are rather shitty for a game of that caliber. (All of this according to gamestat.com)

Lol... is something blocking the current install base from buying copies of GoW?

Also, you might want to check your link. It doesn't lead to anything.

Nothing prevents, the game still sells, 23 mil owners.

Gamstat.com

That was exactly my point.

Also, I wouldn't put too much stock into that site. There's a disclaimer right on the front page that says the numbers are not official and are estimates.

You can draw some conclusions on how the game performs especially a couple of months after release, before it gets a discount or a bundle

 

[DalekFlay]

Delekflay reads like your old uncle that really barely keep track of things on the last 20 years and assumes the world didnt change a bit.

DC comics is being eviscerated right now for not selling, Marvel comics is also selling like shit, DC series like Batwoman are being cancelled left and right, Disney Star Wars is underperformong hard, the merchandising business is dead. I can make a bigger list and go on excruciating detail how sjw bs is involved on all that but it is not worthy.

I'd have to research it but I'd assume there's obvious other reasons action figures and comics might struggle in 2020, but as you say there's probably no point to the discussion. Just as there's no real point arguing with people who think the third best selling Playstation exclusive after 2 months of sales (better than the original game) is a sign of failure.

Maybe you guys are right though. Maybe the culture war has taken over more people than I think, and drives the decisions of more than just the very loud internet and activist types. That would depress me more than call me to war though, I'm not a tribal us vs. them type. If that is the case, I'd say you're pretty much fucked honestly. Corporations care way more about youth dollars than yours, and polls showing youths are dramatically on "their side," but hey you never know.

 

[Horvatii]

Just as there's no real point arguing with people who think the third best selling Playstation exclusive after 2 months of sales (better than the original game) is a sign of failure.

Walt Disney Co.'s (DIS) latest global box office hit, "Star Wars: The Last Jedi," is still a sweeping success, marking 2017's most successful film and the No. 9 film of all time. U dum.
Tlou2 saw 6 years of dev time. They are probably just breaking even at 6M copies sold.

We'll see in November how much it earned in Sony's supplements to earnings and try to isolate it from Ghost of Tukushima or whatever.

 

[JDR13]

They are probably just breaking even at 6M copies sold.

Not hardly. Estimates have the total production cost at around 100 Million. The sales to this point have made around 3X that.

 

[Lambach]

Not hardly. Estimates have the total production cost at around 100 Million. The sales to this point have made around 3X that.

No doubt it made its money back and then some, but that's irrelevant. The real question is whether it made enough money to satisfy the suits.

Take the most recent high-profile flop as an example. Anthem also more than made its production and marketing money back, but it didn't make nearly as much as EA was expecting, so they (very quietly) pulled the plug on it. And no, I'm not saying that's because it was woke or anything, I'm saying that nowadays, triple A publishers, as someone once eloquently stated, no longer want a shitton of money, they want all the money. Did Angry Golfing Tranny Simulator live up to their expectations enough for them to keep milking the brand, like they've been doing with Uncharted, or did Cuckmann cave the franchise's skull in with a golf club? Pretty difficult to tell after only 2 months, but the fact that Cuckmann is denying the possibility of any DLC and is instead talking about an online mode/standalone multiplayer game (despite "huge sales success") is not exactly a vote of confidence.