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The Legend of Heroes Thread - Trails of Cold Steel in the Sky

Tse Tse Fly

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Just cleared Chapter 6 of Cold Steel 1,
those poor terrorists, lmao... All that build up, all those proclamations, only to be cut off like this. Rather unexpected a development, it was so funny. Hopefully this won't be the last we saw of them, otherwise these wretches will go down as another sad case of "anime writing".

And I finally made it to the last chapter, after ~140 hours. This is the longest Trails game for me so far, and if Trails to Azure's case is anything to go by, I have another 40-50 hours ahead of me. But I hope it won't take this long after all.
how the fuck did you eke out this many hours
I played on hard and finished the game in about 70h, was a slog anyway
Speak to every NPC each time the story advances (still wasn't enough because I apparently managed to miss a few side quests), grind for money, grind for experience.

Come to think of it Trails in the Sky SC could've taken even more if I had been patient enough to do the same back then (I only have 110h in Sky SC)
 

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Speak to every NPC each time the story advances (still wasn't enough because I apparently managed to miss a few side quests), grind for money, grind for experience.

Come to think of it Trails in the Sky SC could've taken even more if I had been patient enough to do the same back then (I only have 110h in Sky SC)
I spoke to every single character in Trails in the Sky SC as time advanced, 100 percented it, I have a tendency to leave games running while I go do other stuff and only clocked 72 hours. 110 hours how?
 

Tse Tse Fly

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Speak to every NPC each time the story advances (still wasn't enough because I apparently managed to miss a few side quests), grind for money, grind for experience.

Come to think of it Trails in the Sky SC could've taken even more if I had been patient enough to do the same back then (I only have 110h in Sky SC)
I spoke to every single character in Trails in the Sky SC as time advanced, 100 percented it, I have a tendency to leave games running while I go do other stuff and only clocked 72 hours. 110 hours how?
Maybe I'm just a little slow

What level were your characters at the end? Also what difficulty was it?


I figure I could easily spend ~30 hrs in Sky 3rd on grinding alone, but SC - not sure, can't remember.
 
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My first playthrough of ToCS1 was on hard. I think my characters were in the 60s, maybe low 70s. When I first finished the game, I loved the combat so much that I immediately NG+ed and overwrote my save and cleared it a couple more times, eventually getting my characters into the high 70s or low 80s I think. Sadly your levels and gear don't carry over into the next game.

Save your level up capsules until you reach the final boss, and only use them on Rean. Due to the way exp works, you get less exp if you are overleveled compared to the mobs you are farming. So you want to level up off of the mobs as much as you can until you outlevel them (in this case, there are two dragons that respawn outside the final boss room), and then you use the level up capsules on Rean.
 

Rean

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The games have whole books in them that you collect and read, >100 hours for all the lore you can accumulate and enjoy for each Cold Steel game is very reasonable. But it's not only that, the papers and books you pick up aren't always written from an objective/omniscient observer perspective, so they present additional understanding into what people think actually happened.
As for talking to every NPC, it's an absolute necessity. They inject massive flavor into the world and make you feel actually one with the setting.

You've got me feeling nostalgic again.
 

Lyre Mors

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10 days to Reverie! Haven't been this excited for a game release in awhile. The next few months are going to be a goldmine of gaming for me.
 

Tse Tse Fly

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All right, I completed Cold Steel 1. 163 hours on internal timer. Nobody cares, of course, but:
I must say, everything that pertains to the writing - story, characters, dialogue - was a let down for me compared to the previous games. The story in particular wasn't really engaging, mainly because the major points it was revolving around (Erebonia's internal political struggle, what transpired in Crossbell, etc) were already covered by the Sky and Crossbell arcs. Only at the end something interesting finally happened, but that's, well, the end of the game. All that precedes it left me largely indifferent. I mean, it was like that in some other Trails games too (Trails to Azure, for instance), but there you at least had a likable cast and more competently written dialogues. Namely Rean is pretty much devoid of any personality - uuuuh, well, he's got that dormant super power within him, a-and apparently he's good at making people friends (and that only because he's the main hero of the story). Otherwise it's a hollow character, plus he is utterly unlikable. The rest of the cast is little better, eventually I grew not to get annoyed by each of them but that's it. There's still hope they open up in the subsequent games, that remains to be seen.

When it comes to gameplay though, Cold Steel 1 may be the best Trails game so far, I welcome the expansion of quartz selection, for one thing. The other new features aren't too bad either, and even though they rarely made much difference (given that the game was rather on the easy side), at least they introduced some variety to battles. Regarding the difficulty, this is the easiest Trails game I've played, so much that I will have to consider playing on Nightmare next time (though I'm still uncertain, recalling how weirdly Nightmare was balanced in the Ys games). There's like 2 fights in the whole game where I struggled a little, and even so they were easier than Trails from Zero (former easiest Trails game).

Overall, it's an OK game, I wouldn't say I disliked it, but the mediocre story/characters/dialogue do drag it down. I don't even mind the school setting and goofy mecha fights, or other anime cliches, only if the writing wasn't so bland, boring, and uninspired. But it's not like I'm going to abandon the series because of this (as I said, it wasn't that bad), since I still wish to fulfill my goal of playing through all main Trails games (Sky - Crossbell - Cold Steel at the very least, and maybe Trails into Reverie if I'm lucky) this year, plus I'm in no disposition to play anything else at the moment.
 
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Lyre Mors

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The cast grew on me with each subsequent Cold Steel game, including Rean. I felt largely the same about them as you by the end of CS I, but was maybe more engaged with the story than you because of my interest in exploring Erebonia. After finishing CS IV, I could firmly say that I liked the majority of the characters and felt invested in them. Character development and interaction is where a large amount of the narrative actually lies in these games, after all.
 
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I liked the story and characters of CS1 and CS2. Not all of them are my favorites (Alisa and Emma fade into the background for me) but no one was unlikeable to me. I was pretty enthralled by the story about what was really going on at the school, the turmoil within a modernizing fantasy Prussia, and the escalating cold war. CS3 and CS4 is where there were serious writing issues that dampened my enthusiasm. The issues aren't unique to those games (the Crossbell and Sky games suffer from those issues as well) but in CS3+4 it's particularly damning given that they are supposed to be the payoff to 1,000 hours of buildup.
 

Tse Tse Fly

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Also I wanted to add, since it's been bothering me - going to 3rd person perspective is NOT an excuse to not draw 2d anime portraits for dialogues. Sure, the characters models look more detailed in this game, but as they are they cannot be considered a substitute to 2d anime art (given that achieving anime look was developers' intention).
 
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The issue with the 2D portraits is that they spoiled the plot. They instantly told you who was plot relevant and who wasn't (no reason to bother paying attention to a character who doesn't have a portrait as they will not be plot relevant, the only exception being maybe Nielsen but the evidence for that is circumstantial). Because how small the number of characters with 2D portraits was, you would figure out who the bad guys were by process of elimination. In Cold Steel, having an NPC's model display in their dialogue box muddied the waters and made it far more difficult to predict the plot. I was blindsided by several of Cold Steel's character reveals, unlike in the prior games.
 

Tse Tse Fly

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The title of the thread should be changed - The Legend of Heroes Thread - Trails of Cold Steel in the Sky from Zero
 

Tse Tse Fly

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Playing Cold Steel 2 now,
Is it just me or it's indeed become considerably easier compared to the first game? And I'm playing on Nightmare even, whereas my CS1 playthrough was on Hard.

Also
Maybe the writers could quit it with thrusting Elise into Rean's lap so furiously. And everyone just keeps acting like it's totally okay. :roll:

Also (don't open if you haven't played Cold Steel in full)
Apparently they are not blood related, but does everyone else know of that?
 

Maxie

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cole steel annoys me because of the vaguely pinko mood it takes with mattias going FUCK NOBLES, FUCKING NOBLES all the time and every single nobleman portrayed positively being some basically working class hero in everything but coat of arms, only arseid senior has enough backbone not to keep begging forgiveness for being born a nobleman
 
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Rean being adopted was stated when Elise was introduced in chapter 4 of the first game. Him being adopted and in line to inherit the Schwarzer's wealth over their biological daughter Elise, and how Rean's adoption led to Teo being slandered and ousted from the aristocratic circle is one of the main reasons why Rean feels unworthy.
 

Tse Tse Fly

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Rean being adopted was stated when Elise was introduced in chapter 4 of the first game. Him being adopted and in line to inherit the Schwarzer's wealth over their biological daughter Elise, and how Rean's adoption led to Teo being slandered and ousted from the aristocratic circle is one of the main reasons why Rean feels unworthy.
True, I completely forgot about that
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Jermu

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Playing Cold Steel 2 now,
Is it just me or it's indeed become considerably easier compared to the first game? And I'm playing on Nightmare even, whereas my CS1 playthrough was on Hard.
every cs game becomes easier with nightmare difficulty than the previous game
hajimari then is harder than any cs game but probably only because they added harder difficulty than nightmare
cs4 I died only once but only to challenge chest when I accidentally used naked party members

pretty much only 3rd/zero/ao has good combat difficulty with nightmare
 
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Reinhardt

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you can't have awesum isekai hero rean if combat was actually hard and could kill him. choices and consequences.
 

Sarathiour

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Is it just me or it's indeed become considerably easier compared to the first game?
Apart from the few enemy able to do S-craft that comme considerably earlier than in CS1 (and that's just damage spike that ""might"" caught you if you come unaware) yes, it's pretty much easier. You're already familiar with the games mechanics, you start out with already functional combat link, and overdrive is busted. Abusing the games is pretty easy.
 

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What if fan translation was good enough and I was waiting for nothing. I should have played this game by now. Reverie bros, just few more days
 

Rean

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All right, I completed Cold Steel 1. 163 hours on internal timer. Nobody cares, of course, but:

I'll start growing on you. I didn't like me at first either, but I realized from the second game onwards that I'm good people.
 

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Tse Tse Fly As others who actually have played the games said, the school setting is fairly weak and limited if you're jumping into it as a direct follow-up from the previous games. The entirety of CS1 is fairly chill and basically a brewing-storm storyline. You get glimpses of the complex politics and ideologies, but it's all viewed through the lens of Thors academy.

But there's no question that during the tetralogy the series expanded massively in terms of worldbuilding, to the extent it could easily lay claim to the 'JRPG with the most detailed universe' title.
I don't like where they took things in terms of end of end of CS3/CS4, but you have plenty of time to reach that point, and by then you'll at least be familiar with the characters, which are vastly important.
 

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