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Might and Magic The Might and Magic Discussion Thread

What is the best Might & Magic game in the series?

  • Might and Magic: Book I

    Votes: 17 2.3%
  • Might and Magic II: Gates to Another World

    Votes: 29 3.9%
  • Might and Magic III: Isles of Terra

    Votes: 59 7.9%
  • Might and Magic: World of Xeen

    Votes: 183 24.5%
  • Might and Magic: Swords of Xeen

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Might and Magic VI: The Mandate of Heaven

    Votes: 215 28.7%
  • Might and Magic VII: For Blood and Honor

    Votes: 130 17.4%
  • Might and Magic VIII: Day of the Destroyer

    Votes: 26 3.5%
  • Might and Magic IX

    Votes: 11 1.5%
  • Might and Magic X

    Votes: 73 9.8%

  • Total voters
    748

jackofshadows

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how tf do you guys use meter shower effectively? When I fly over mobs and drop it on them I miss a lot of the time. Just git gud or what?
First, you can use it in tb mode even though it less fun than in rt imo. Second, the spot it drops depends on mob you hold your mouse over (or the closest enemy as far as I know if your cursor anywhere else). So, ideally turn tb on and lets say mouse over the middle mob from the pack.

As for the temple I think you've missed something. Vaguely remember walking there quite a bit figuring out wtf to do in order to progress. Try walking both "balcons" and search for a button (might mixing things up though).
 

lukaszek

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how tf do you guys use meter shower effectively? When I fly over mobs and drop it on them I miss a lot of the time. Just git gud or what?
First, you can use it in tb mode even though it less fun than in rt imo. Second, the spot it drops depends on mob you hold your mouse over (or the closest enemy as far as I know if your cursor anywhere else). So, ideally turn tb on and lets say mouse over the middle mob from the pack.
also do float a bit in a single spot so they concentrate better. Extra points if that spot is above some natural hole. Meteor shower/star burst/sparks projectiles can roll a bit so tip of the hill is naturally weak spot
 

hello friend

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I'm on an actual spaceship. No joke.
how tf do you guys use meter shower effectively? When I fly over mobs and drop it on them I miss a lot of the time. Just git gud or what?
First, you can use it in tb mode even though it less fun than in rt imo. Second, the spot it drops depends on mob you hold your mouse over (or the closest enemy as far as I know if your cursor anywhere else). So, ideally turn tb on and lets say mouse over the middle mob from the pack.

As for the temple I think you've missed something. Vaguely remember walking there quite a bit figuring out wtf to do in order to progress. Try walking both "balcons" and search for a button (might mixing things up though).
There are no buttons on the balconies that I can find. I can find both the secret doors on the balconies but they're locked. I have a leftover key from earlier that doesn't appear to open anything.
 

JBro

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Done
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RatTower

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Started MMX yesterday. To accept the bestiary quest you need to talk to a guy in the first tavern:
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Assuming this guy stops himself from saying "Data", is this supposed to mean that Ashan is yet another world like the CRON or VARN?
Was this ever picked up again in any other Ubisoft MM games? Cause I was always under the impression that element was completely dropped in the series' reboot.
 
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hello friend

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I'm on an actual spaceship. No joke.
Second, the spot it drops depends on mob you hold your mouse over
This changed everything. I'd been trying to cast it from the spellbook as I wasn't casting it regularly, turns out you can only aim it if you ready cast or quick cast it. The second I bound it to one of those using it was a breeze, fuck metero shower is fun to use. Amazing spell.
 

lukaszek

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Assuming this guy stops himself from saying "Data", is this supposed to mean that Ashan is yet another world like the CRON or VARN?
Was this ever picked up again in any other Ubisoft MM games? Cause I was always under the impression that element was completely dropped in the series' reboot.
who knows what were grand plans for series reboot. In the end corners were cut so most gotten scrapped
 

jackofshadows

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Assuming this guy stops himself from saying "Data", is this supposed to mean that Ashan is yet another world like the CRON or VARN?
Nah, it's just some sort of easter egg similiar to many others like the name of the starting town, the Maximus guy and so on and so forth. Maybe the quest giver refers to concrete person I'm not aware of.

However, the sikrit dev dungeon is done in futuristic style, which may be perceived as yet another same stuff as the above just on a different scale or indicator that the devs regret this setting is more streamlined so to say.
 

Baron Dupek

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For some reasons M&M 7 is praised the most even though I've only played it once and had no desire to come back.
But now there might be the reason.
Mostly teleports to everywhere, even more monsters (ugh) and you can go back to Emerald Island for some surprise...

https://www.moddb.com/mods/mm7rev4modr1-redone-ultimate/downloads/mm7rev4modr1-redone-ultimate

recently this project received Ultimate version and get most fixes, no idea why it got separate page, too easy to miss...
 

newtmonkey

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JBro
Did you get MT-32 music working without crashing on DOSBox?
Nope lol. Went back to shitty soundblaster. :dealwithit:
JBro, this is probably useless information since you've already completed the game, but I was looking through my notes from back when I was installing these games on my dedicated DOS PC, and found some info:

- The Ultimate Might & Magic Archives (which I believe is what the GOG release is based on): I could not get the game to work with MT-32 no matter what. It would freeze up the moment any sound effects played, even with digital FX turned off. BTW, the actual physical release of this doesn't even include a DOS installer; you need to install through Windows, and then run the games in DOS mode.
- M&M Trilogy CD: This includes M&M3-5. This was hit and miss with MT-32 music & SB SFX, but is rock solid with MT-32 music & SFX. This one has an actual DOS installer, btw.
 

wishbonetail

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Being in a state of acute MM rush, I decided to step jump into MM9 right after MMX. For anyone wondering, WTF is MM9? It's a game. The MM game, that's for sure. Is it good? Well, maybe, for everyone craving for old-school cool with a hefty amount of old-school uncoolness. NO, if you searching for an improvement on MM formula or at least for not dropping the bar too far.
I usually don't trust in so-called "codex concensus", as all the media, it is susceptible to hype, for better or worse. So, i like to dive in anything, proclaimed as decline, from time to time in hopes to dig up some rough diamond. By no mean this game is a rough diamond but i think it deserves of a more meticulous inspection.
First things first, it has at most half of the content as previous 3do's games. Empty indoors, empty outdoors, minimum objects, minimum enemies, minimum environment interactions. It is BUTT-UGLY, textures much worse that in MM6, 3d models are "baby's first 3dmax effort", most music tracks are short and annoying.
SO, with that out of the way now specifics:
- My biggest gripe. No mini map with wizard's eye and the big map is uninformative. This means your can't point on a dwelling an see it's title.
- Trainers are now loitering around the streets and you cannot see NPCs name until you click on him, which in combination with shitty map warrants a pretty frustrating combing of the layout. Even MM2 was easier in that regard. People who couldn't find Caius Cosades should be right at home.
- Interface is uninformative. Lack of feddback on what status effects your chars have or what status effects they cast on enemies. Come to think of it, i dont remember statuses, other than desease, my party were suffering from and i didn't care about resistances whatsoever. Maybe they simply not working.
- Some spells are bugged. Torchlight not working and Divine intervention is a one huge exploit. Also, most of the magic, other than buff, seemed worthless.
- Obvious effort from devs to tone down the fun. You cannot outrun enemies without Fleet feet spell and you get most of the loot from bodies, not chests. Also, no waterwalk, no levitation, no jump. It seems devs wanted for player to follow the specific setup and not to have fun. What is this? Oblivion?
- It seems turn based mode is bugged as you will take far less hits in realtime. Or maybe im imagining things.
- Party's Inventories are huge. Makes me wondering, why they didn't implement one general inventory.
- No rations and fatigue. Ingame dialogs suggest there should be rations and fatigue.
- You can hire up to 3 NPCs but their stats are anemic and, by the midgame, you'll just be wasting time during their turns.
- Magic system is reshuffled. Just where is my fucking fireball? I mean elemental schools were the staple of all MMs and HoMMs. Getting rid of em makes it less of a MM.
- Can't attack NPCs. Decline.
Okay, other than that it's still MM. Munchkinism, powerleveling, partybuilding, promotions, are still incredibly satisfying, as in all MM games, and head and shoulders above anything they shit out nowadays.
PS Latest gog installer includes unofficial patch, so the game is surprisingly bug-free.
PPS I didn't say anything about MMX because it doesn't feel like MM game. You may as well include Legend of Grimrock and Dark Messiah in the poll.
PPPs Still better than Skyrim.
 
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VHS9000

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Have started another run in MMX on the Warrior difficulty with the Merc-Hunter-Scout-Druid party. Picked an intentionally diverse racial setup cause there are some racial-restricted dungeons (right?) and I want the 100% different party compared to the previous one. Finished Act 2, cleared road to The Crag and some jungles. That was pretty easy but I’ll be owned later for sure. :)
 

VHS9000

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On MM9 - it’s a piece of shit. I’m okay with games being broken in every possible way till they don’t waste my time like this garbage with:

1) Inventory window opening every time I’m picking the loot given that the every monster in the game is stuffed with the useless scrolls and magic stones.
2) Roaming faceless NPC-trainers you need to seek in the oversized empty cities which process makes me feel like l’m in an endless eerie nightmare.

PS But yes it’s still better than Skyrim.
 
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0sacred

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Are druids total gimps in MMVII?

They should have at least one or two magic schools they can GM. The only elemental schools with shit GM spells are Air and maybe Fire, none of which the druid starts with. Losing out on Spirit and Body GM is painful too. Plus their inventory gets cluttered up with reagents.
 

lukaszek

the determinator
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Are druids total gimps in MMVII?

They should have at least one or two magic schools they can GM. The only elemental schools with shit GM spells are Air and maybe Fire, none of which the druid starts with. Losing out on Spirit and Body GM is painful too. Plus their inventory gets cluttered up with reagents.
Thats why I modded them myself so that dark path get gm elemental, while light gets the rest.
then I rolled with party of 4 warlocks!
 

Piotrovitz

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Have started another run in MMX on the Warrior difficulty with the Merc-Hunter-Scout-Druid party. Picked an intentionally diverse racial setup cause there are some racial-restricted dungeons (right?) and I want the 100% different party compared to the previous one. Finished Act 2, cleared road to The Crag and some jungles. That was pretty easy but I’ll be owned later for sure. :)
Is there a workaround to play it offline, without this UPlay or whatever this ubisoft's shit was called?

Remember that I wanted to give it a shot but after 'buying' it from piratebay store I couldn't get it running without being prompted to log in to this cancer-like platform.
 

wishbonetail

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Have started another run in MMX on the Warrior difficulty with the Merc-Hunter-Scout-Druid party. Picked an intentionally diverse racial setup cause there are some racial-restricted dungeons (right?) and I want the 100% different party compared to the previous one. Finished Act 2, cleared road to The Crag and some jungles. That was pretty easy but I’ll be owned later for sure. :)
Is there a workaround to play it offline, without this UPlay or whatever this ubisoft's shit was called?

Remember that I wanted to give it a shot but after 'buying' it from piratebay store I couldn't get it running without being prompted to log in to this cancer-like platform.
Yep, there are already malware-free versions on torrent sites.
 

Mauman

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Are druids total gimps in MMVII?

They should have at least one or two magic schools they can GM. The only elemental schools with shit GM spells are Air and maybe Fire, none of which the druid starts with. Losing out on Spirit and Body GM is painful too. Plus their inventory gets cluttered up with reagents.
Thats why I modded them myself so that dark path get gm elemental, while light gets the rest.
then I rolled with party of 4 warlocks!
I just give them GM in all non-dark/light magic. I legit consider that balanced considering the shit that Dark/Light can do.
 

Storyfag

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Mauman

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I just give them GM in all non-dark/light magic. I legit consider that balanced considering the shit that Dark/Light can do.
dont care, i just wanted to go brrrrrrr with spark
Fair enough. I use poison spray myself.
Both are very mana-efficient, but less so time efficient. Shrapmetal remains the superior choice.
won't deny that. My wizard has shrapmetal for big targets, but uses poison spray for lesser targets or when mana get's low.

Of course, once skills get to the 30+ range, I've noticed that shrapmetal becomes super overkill (outside of a few targets) and even the lowly poison spray/spark is capable of doing hundreds of damage. :?

edit - oh, and while it's not as effective (since you can't multi-hit targets as much), I also use it as my usual distance spell. It's also why I favor poison spray over sparks.
 
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