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[Duraframe300]

It doesn't make sense. How do companies and governments buy colonies? From whom?

Eh, from who do you buy internet domains? There's your answer.

Planets =//= Domains

How so? They are. Both have value attached, both are *spaces* you can buy if physical or virtual.

And to answer your question, settlers / goverment / whoever the fuck laid claim to it.
Technically goverments ARE companies to begin with.

There is a limited number of planets, while you can have infinite number of domains. Planets have resources, can be in strategic locations. Domains are created by humans, so it makes more sense to sell them, while planets are natural. All domains do is that it's easier to remember your website name. Planets are far more valuable than domains.

You assume anyone would just respect colonizers claims to uncharted planets. Laughable proposition. Planets would be just taken by force.

Governments aren't companies. There have different aims and structure to companies.

LoL

So still what's the difference or how does that invaluate anything I said. A piece of bread is a piece of bread regardless of its rarity and thus value.

Same with force. Sure the colony can be taken by force. With enough money in play it can still be bought and sold.

Not to mention you do it by force, you will still invest in weapons, personel, damages and so on which you know what? COSTS MONEY.

And yes, they absolutly are. They have to work inside and with the same market as everybody else. By your logic non-profits aren't companies either.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

Yes, yes. Planets and domains are the same because they both have value attached. Your liver has value attached too! Companies and governments are the same, because they have to work inside and with the same market as everybody else. Just like families!

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

This setting sounds brain-dead. The periods after the 2nd industrial revolution were interesting because at the rapid pace at which humanity developed. Discretionary spending, life-spans, leisure time, and personal liberty burst forth to a degree humanity had never experienced. Hazards, discovered in retrospect, only existed because we were apes wielding fire. People were literally ignorant of the forces (chemistry, physics, metallurgy, etc.) we had just begun to manipulate and harness. Any time there was a "robber-baron" to be found, they had acquired that status because of government collusion, like the Rockefellers, Morgans, Vanderbilt, etc.

I hate to drag politics into a gaming environment, but when they are using historical falsehoods to formulate the basis of their setting (and plots, no doubt), I can't help but cringe and react. Instead of making a setting which focuses on the hubris of literally reaching the stars, they have a half-baked fairy tale about the perils of voluntary exchange. Sigh.

 

[Tigranes]

I don't think they are arguing it's historically plausible for the belle epoque or whatever to be frozen in time forever, they're just using it to create a clearly fictional blend - just like they did with the freeze-frame of the 50s for Fallout.

Of course, I agree that the period was historically interesting because it was such a moment of flux and change, a moment of felt instability. The period is full of exclamations that they thought they were going through a one-off period of unbelievably rapid, unique change in civilisation, all of which actually echoes some of the hooplah around the Internet (and then, even before, the likes of Diderot and d'Alembert were saying that too, showing you that the sentiment is as old as modernity). But I don't see the game as suggesting that this period was something that could really be consolidated and frozen in time for eternity.

Science fiction has always been about not only depicting the most plausible futures based on what we know, it's also been about exploring the present through the future. (William Gibson once talked about a 10-year buffer that we need to make sense of what the fuck is happening TODAY, and what you can do with cyberpunk is mess with that buffer and put all of that present into a fictional past.) And today, so much of what we see with new technologies, globalisation, populism, etc. makes people look back to the later 19th century and the early 20th. It seems fitting to me that we would have a sci-fi story that pulls all of that past into the far future for those of us in the present. (Whether it will be any good, remains to be seen.)

 

[oldmanpaco]

Have they shown the Triangles yet?

 

[toro]

Have they shown the Triangles yet?

Only if you buy the season pass.

 

[Trashos]

It doesn't make sense. How do companies and governments buy colonies? From whom?

Eh, from who do you buy internet domains? There's your answer.

Planets =//= Domains

How so? They are. Both have value attached, both are *spaces* you can buy if physical or virtual.

And to answer your question, settlers / goverment / whoever the fuck laid claim to it.
Technically goverments ARE companies to begin with.

There is a limited number of planets, while you can have infinite number of domains. Planets have resources, can be in strategic locations. Domains are created by humans, so it makes more sense to sell them, while planets are natural. All domains do is that it's easier to remember your website name. Planets are far more valuable than domains.

You assume anyone would just respect colonizers claims to uncharted planets. Laughable proposition. Planets would be just taken by force.

Governments aren't companies. There have different aims and structure to companies.

OK, here is how it more or less happens (in general): The people and entities (corporations, governments etc) with power form a committee that sells the thing you think they can't sell. Anyone who can cause trouble to the committee is also invited to participate in the committee. Some are left out, but as a compensation they get good deals when they buy.

And life goes on.

 

[selkin]

This setting sounds brain-dead. The periods after the 2nd industrial revolution were interesting because at the rapid pace at which humanity developed. Discretionary spending, life-spans, leisure time, and personal liberty burst forth to a degree humanity had never experienced. Hazards, discovered in retrospect, only existed because we were apes wielding fire. People were literally ignorant of the forces (chemistry, physics, metallurgy, etc.) we had just begun to manipulate and harness. Any time there was a "robber-baron" to be found, they had acquired that status because of government collusion, like the Rockefellers, Morgans, Vanderbilt, etc.

I hate to drag politics into a gaming environment, but when they are using historical falsehoods to formulate the basis of their setting (and plots, no doubt), I can't help but cringe and react. Instead of making a setting which focuses on the hubris of literally reaching the stars, they have a half-baked fairy tale about the perils of voluntary exchange. Sigh.

It doesn't matter if it's based on historical falsehoods because the story is from an alternate/split history, they are basically using just aspects of history. Making games is an art form, and by that it's not necessary to be precise and scientifically accurate. The whole concept is just an idea. It's a game of thoughts.

 

[jewboy]

This looks pretty amazing. Even without MCA. I expect that the writing won't be as good, but it could still be a great game. When was the last time Obsidian actually made a good game? I guess New Vegas or MotB depending on how picky you are. Lots of rubbish lately, but this does look tasty. If this is a sequel-in-spirit to New Vegas with a space setting you won't hear me complaining. I'm on board the hype train for the moment.

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

The most funniest thing that living in world similar to setting of TOW is still better than living under communist regime.

Edit: I mean, "reaching arm of capitalism send people to the stars" sounds better than "people fucking died from hunger because fat fucks in government ordered to harvest crops earlier it's growth cycle despite protests of scientists"

I wonder is there a game where you play as guy who started fight communist regime and it's atrocities? Because I don't remember such game.

 

[Kyl Von Kull]

The most funniest thing that living in world similar to setting of TOW is still better than living under communist regime.

Edit: I mean, "reaching arm of capitalism send people to the stars" sounds better than "people fucking died from hunger because fat fucks in government ordered to harvest crops earlier it's growth cycle despite protests of scientists"

I wonder is there a game where you play as guy who started fight communist regime and it's atrocities? Because I don't remember such game.

Um, just off the top of my head, try Command & Conquer Red Alert 1-3. Homefront, Freedom Fighters, and many more—don’t the Metro games have you fighting communists?

Maybe you just have a very selective memory for this stuff?

 

[Tigranes]

There's plenty of games where you fight commies, just like there's plenty where you fight Nazis. Get over it.

Besides, most of the "critical about capitalism!!" popular movies, games, etc, etc, etc, end up basically as endorsements of a different kind of capitalism anyway (whether it's greater vs. lesser state intervention, or the ideal of meritocratic competition vs entrenched oligopolies). Which makes sense, since, you know, we live in a world where very few people endorse a complete cut away from all forms of capitalism, only people arguing for different variants of it.

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

Damn, I almost forgot about C&C RA, perhaps in this case it's really selective memory and brain trying to cut memories about C&C franchise to avoid damage. Because C&C is fucking killed and raped by EA. But thanks for reminder

 

[Fenix]

Edit: I mean, "reaching arm of capitalism send people to the stars" sounds better than "people fucking died from hunger because fat fucks in government ordered to harvest crops earlier it's growth cycle despite protests of scientists"

Does it sounds better then "reaching arm of capitalism bankrupted millions so they died form hunger when there was a lot of food" or am I missed something?

EDIT Oh, shiiiiit! Someone missed Great Depression heh, and millions of men who worked for a bowl of pea soup, and millions who died.

“We also have Tartarus, which is kind Venusian, but it’s even worse,” Cain says. “It’s just a nasty planet. It’s where the maximum security prison is

Dernholm prison - is that you?

 

[himmy]

it reads a fucking rick and morty skit

holy fuck

Imagine reading a combination of science fiction and humour and your first thought would be a comparison to Rick & Morty.

Hot take: People who really REALLY hate Rick & Morty are worse than people who really REALLY love Rick & Morty.

 

[Maggot]

it reads a fucking rick and morty skit

holy fuck

Imagine reading a combination of science fiction and humour and your first thought would be a comparison to Rick & Morty.

Hot take: People who really REALLY hate Rick & Morty are worse than people who really REALLY love Rick & Morty.

If they don't want comparsons to Rick and Morty they shouldn't namedrop it in interviews.

 

[CyberWhale]

The most funniest thing that living in world similar to setting of TOW is still better than living under communist regime.

Edit: I mean, "reaching arm of capitalism send people to the stars" sounds better than "people fucking died from hunger because fat fucks in government ordered to harvest crops earlier it's growth cycle despite protests of scientists"

1957 first rocket in the orbit - Sputnik, SSSR
1957 first animal (dog Laika) in the orbit - Sputnik 2, SSSR
1961 first man (Yuri Gagarin) in the orbit - Vostok, SSSR

Retard Moron should be your new nickname.

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

1957 first rocket in the orbit - Sputnik, SSSR
1957 first animal (dog Laika) in the orbit - Sputnik 2, SSSR
1961 first man (Yuri Gagarin) in the orbit - Vostok, SSSR

Retard Moron should be your new nickname.

I think there only one retard - it's you. Because:

Rather than the intrepid explorers and diplomats of some other science fiction properties, it’s the reaching arm of capitalism that sends humanity hurtling into the void, and habitable planets across the galaxy are being carved up like parcels of land in the American Old West.

I wasn't even saying anything about real history or something. It's just your brainwashed degenerative mind saw a danger in my words for your beloved ideology and (since you can't silence me) decided "insult" me by pointing a random fact that in your sick mind "redeem" a most cruel and dangerous regime in history of mankind.

 

[Jedi Exile]

I wasn't even saying anything about real history or something. It's just your brainwashed degenerative mind saw a danger in my words for your beloved ideology and (since you can't silence me) decided "insult" me by pointing a random fact that in your sick mind "redeem" a most cruel and dangerous regime in history of mankind.

What is interesting, is that nowhere in the Outer Worlds lore is socialism even mentioned. Most likely it never existed in that universe. So what you wrote is just your imagination, coming from your real world political convictions.

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

Capitalism sending Humanity into the stars isn't supposed to be seen as a bad thing, or rather its not where everything starts to go wrong for the setting.
Things do eventually go wrong though. They made a monocultured Space Ancapistan, if capitalist aren't the ones starting the problems, then who?

Ofc things can go wrong and capitalism isn't ideal flawless utopia. But saying "capitalists to blame" it's like blame population of whole Outher Worlds, because everyone in capitalist system have capital -difference only in type and size. It would be more correctly to say that problems created by group of people which acts like hybrid of criminal syndicate and oligarch families, people who think that losing humanity is good price to pay for holding monopoly and make other people suffer. I don't think that OuterWorlds have AnCap, because in AnCap (in "ideal" cause ofc) corporations and monopolies does not exist.

What is interesting, is that nowhere in the Outer Worlds lore is socialism even mentioned. Most likely it never existed in that universe. So what you wrote is just your imagination, coming from your real world political convictions.

Ofc it wasn't mentioned in that tiny bit of lore that we know, I just assumed that there will be some political force with similar belief. My assumption based on how they (in my opinion) exaggerated "bad" staff and not focused on good stuff in social structure of Outer Worlds. In another words: it was looking like devs instead if making "grey colors" (you can't say who bad/good guys) decided to go in overused "bad guys vs good guys". I hope my assumption is wrong, though.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Ismaul]

Sort of like you can sell large prime number

You can?

Asking for a friend, his usual business of selling bridges isn't what it was anymore.

 

[laclongquan]

blah blah blah I hate communist regime blah blah

I am surprised you have the energy and time to play any games, what with your obsession to communist regime and the crying need to be acknowledged for your obsession...
..
.
Oh wait, you dont play any game at all.

C&C series of games are obvious, based on your own admission.
But any Soviet hater can just play Silent Storm, then go to USSR maps and start killing soviets in large number. But it seems you dont even know that either~

 

[rusty_shackleford]

The most funniest thing that living in world similar to setting of TOW is still better than living under communist regime.

Edit: I mean, "reaching arm of capitalism send people to the stars" sounds better than "people fucking died from hunger because fat fucks in government ordered to harvest crops earlier it's growth cycle despite protests of scientists"

1957 first rocket in the orbit - Sputnik, SSSR
1957 first animal (dog Laika) in the orbit - Sputnik 2, SSSR
1961 first man (Yuri Gagarin) in the orbit - Vostok, SSSR

Retard Moron should be your new nickname.

"people might have been dying from hunger but at least we put a dog in orbit"

 

[Tigranes]

But saying "capitalists to blame"

Nobody did, as far as I can tell.