Interview The Outer Worlds is a commercial success, patches and sequel on the way

[Turbografx]

Why is the Codex rejoicing that a bland, dumbed down FPS adventure is commercially succesful?

Just another step in the decline...

 

[Commissar Draco]

Why is the Codex rejoicing that a bland, dumbed down FPS adventure is commercially succesful?

Just another step in the decline...

Some people do enjoy watching the world RPG genre burn Comrade.

 

[Fenix]

it is deeper than Fallout 4/76.

You are kidding or you are blind.
Unless you mean by deeper all that fascistic sjw bullshit stuffed in game.

How do you survive in society?

Normal people can't survive in society run by schisophrenics and perverts.

 

[mindfields]

It's kinda sad seeing the decline. I remember lurking the dex during the WL2 and PoE Kickstarters and I couldn't help myself be caught up with the positivism and hope for the future of CPRGs, it seemed that the genre had a silent, sleeping fanbase that had reawakened and we were assured of incline in the future. As it turned out, "Hardcore CRPG" was just another video game fad, and once the normies had got their dose and realized they didn't actually like these games, they stopped buying them. And here we are, just like in 2008 with Fallout 3 the genre has come back to FPS games with "RPG" elements tacked on.

 

[Fenix]

There was nothing hardcore in PoE, and nothing of what made BG cult classic game.
The main goal of PoE is - as I see it - to promote SJWism and feminist fascism.
The main goal of BG series - make fun game with fun adventures.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Is it any surprise that TOW is a "commercial success" when Tim Sweeny paid in advance?

 

[toro]

It's kinda sad seeing the decline. I remember lurking the dex during the WL2 and PoE Kickstarters and I couldn't help myself be caught up with the positivism and hope for the future of CPRGs, it seemed that the genre had a silent, sleeping fanbase that had reawakened and we were assured of incline in the future. As it turned out, "Hardcore CRPG" was just another video game fad, and once the normies had got their dose and realized they didn't actually like these games, they stopped buying them. And here we are, just like in 2008 with Fallout 3 the genre has come back to FPS games with "RPG" elements tacked on.

Torment: Tides of Numerera $4,188,927 - stinker
Pillars of Eternity $3,986,929 - stinker
Wasteland 2 $2,933,252 - mediocre
Divinity: Original Sin 2 $2,032,434 - actually good and a commercial success
Shadowrun Returns $1,836,447 - actually good and a commercial success
Dreamfall Chapters: The Longest Journey $1,538,425 - stinker
The Bard's Tale IV: Barrows Deep $1,519,680 - absolute stinker
Pathfinder: Kingmaker $909,057 - brilliant
Underworld Ascendant $860,356 - absolute stinker
The Banner Saga $723,886 - mediocre

Normies pledged for these games, they got shit and now they have precautions about what the developers are promising. As you said, it's definitely their fault. /s

 

[ToddHowardsSpiritAnimal]

So many boomers in this thread. Imagine thinking a game can't be fun unless there's 600-page rule books and every time you encounter a sewer rat you have to stop everything and clunkily roll 40 different dice while socially awkwardly describing how you're swinging your dorky-ass sword for 45 minutes to some lame DM with a garbage beard.

 

[aweigh]

It's kinda sad seeing the decline. I remember lurking the dex during the WL2 and PoE Kickstarters and I couldn't help myself be caught up with the positivism and hope for the future of CPRGs, it seemed that the genre had a silent, sleeping fanbase that had reawakened and we were assured of incline in the future. As it turned out, "Hardcore CRPG" was just another video game fad, and once the normies had got their dose and realized they didn't actually like these games, they stopped buying them. And here we are, just like in 2008 with Fallout 3 the genre has come back to FPS games with "RPG" elements tacked on.

Er... are you saying that WL2 and PoE were "hardcore" RPGs?

Man, it's crazy how perspective can change so wildly, even among people in the same niche. To me those games are the definition of mainstream.

Anyway, about your point about action-RPGs being more popular: this has always been like that... remember when Diablo 1 came out and "Revolutionized" the genre? Yeah. ARPGs dominating is nothing new. Mind you, not saying ARPGs are bad or anything (I enjoy quite a few of them); just stating a fact, that "normies" prefer games that are easier to play and have better instant-gratification mechanics. Nothing that complicated about it, tbh.

 

[Roguey]

Man, it's crazy how perspective can change so wildly, even among people in the same niche. To me those games are the definition of mainstream.

Skyrim and Witcher 3, they aren't.

 

[aweigh]

Sure, but then I wouldn't really consider Skyrim or Witcher 3 to be "real" RPGs to begin with so I would never be talking about them in a discussion about what is or isn't a hard-core RPG.

 

[mindfields]

It's kinda sad seeing the decline. I remember lurking the dex during the WL2 and PoE Kickstarters and I couldn't help myself be caught up with the positivism and hope for the future of CPRGs, it seemed that the genre had a silent, sleeping fanbase that had reawakened and we were assured of incline in the future. As it turned out, "Hardcore CRPG" was just another video game fad, and once the normies had got their dose and realized they didn't actually like these games, they stopped buying them. And here we are, just like in 2008 with Fallout 3 the genre has come back to FPS games with "RPG" elements tacked on.

Torment: Tides of Numerera $4,188,927 - stinker
Pillars of Eternity $3,986,929 - stinker
Wasteland 2 $2,933,252 - mediocre
Divinity: Original Sin 2 $2,032,434 - actually good and a commercial success
Shadowrun Returns $1,836,447 - actually good and a commercial success
Dreamfall Chapters: The Longest Journey $1,538,425 - stinker
The Bard's Tale IV: Barrows Deep $1,519,680 - absolute stinker
Pathfinder: Kingmaker $909,057 - brilliant
Underworld Ascendant $860,356 - absolute stinker
The Banner Saga $723,886 - mediocre

Normies pledged for these games, they got shit and now they have precautions about what the developers are promising. As you said, it's definitely their fault. /s

Except WL2 and PoE 1/2 were great CRPGs, not perfect but very fun.

 

[mindfields]

You cannot honestly think that a party-based RPG with 14 classes, 7 attributes, hundreds of spells, abilities and feats along with multi-classing (heaps of possible builds), which requires you to micromanage up to 5/6 characters can be considered "mainstream", I don't think you even understand what mainstream means, the average zoomer would take one look at PoE's character creation screen and never play the game again.

You gotta laugh at the ridiculous purity spiralling on the codex over what is a hardcore CRPG, you keep calling everything shit and you'll have nothing left to play.

 

[Fenix]

Except WL2 and PoE 1/2 were great CRPGs, not perfect but very fun.

Uh, they weren't.
To squeeze some fun from W2 I was need to play it as 2 man team, when one is melee and fight everything, and the other is pacifist that hide in every fight.
That's far from very fun is you need to do things like that.
PoE is like a chewed toilet paper.

You cannot honestly think that a party-based RPG with 14 classes, 7 attributes, hundreds of spells, abilities and feats along with multi-classing (heaps of possible builds), which requires you to micromanage up to 5/6 characters can be considered "mainstream"

There is a bit different thing.
Ifelogical content in game appealed to young players, like before 20 - all this fem-bullshit in setting, item descriptions and such.
And young audience is mainstream audience an mass.
Otherwise, problem with game in execution - what you describe were simply bad, RTwP combat being worse then in BG 20 which is 20 years old game, roleplay system is a joke where you get upon levelups things as uninspiring as +5 piercing damage. Loredumps, unsympathetic characters...
Fun for those who never played BG mostly, I think.

 

[aweigh]

You cannot honestly think that a party-based RPG with 14 classes, 7 attributes, hundreds of spells, abilities and feats along with multi-classing (heaps of possible builds), which requires you to micromanage up to 5/6 characters can be considered "mainstream", I don't think you even understand what mainstream means, the average zoomer would take one look at PoE's character creation screen and never play the game again.

You gotta laugh at the ridiculous purity spiralling on the codex over what is a hardcore CRPG, you keep calling everything shit and you'll have nothing left to play.

To me "hard core RPG" is something like Grimoire, or Elminage: Gothic, or Knights of the Chalice, which have almost zero appeal to a mainstream audience and are meant to appeal specifically to hard-core RPG players.

Games like PoE have a much broader appeal than that, meant for a broader audience.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Dude, did you buy all that nonce "long hairs are difficult to model, out artists just not crafty enough"?

Weird how devs just didn't have this issue until recently.
Must have been the advances in hardware and software that actually made their jobs more difficult!

 

[Roguey]

To me "hard core RPG" is something like Grimoire, or Elminage: Gothic, or Knights of the Chalice, which have almost zero appeal to a mainstream audience and are meant to appeal specifically to hard-core RPG players.

Games like PoE have a much broader appeal than that, meant for a broader audience.

An audience of hundreds of thousands is a bigger niche than something with appeal to mere tens of thousands, but it's a niche nonetheless. Big publishers have been counting in the millions since the 00s.

 

[Kyl Von Kull]

To me "hard core RPG" is something like Grimoire, or Elminage: Gothic, or Knights of the Chalice, which have almost zero appeal to a mainstream audience and are meant to appeal specifically to hard-core RPG players.

Games like PoE have a much broader appeal than that, meant for a broader audience.

An audience of hundreds of thousands is a bigger niche than something with appeal to mere tens of thousands, but it's a niche nonetheless. Big publishers have been counting in the millions since the 00s.

Not hardcore, not softcore. Medium core?

 

[Black Angel]

To me "hard core RPG" is something like Grimoire, or Elminage: Gothic, or Knights of the Chalice, which have almost zero appeal to a mainstream audience and are meant to appeal specifically to hard-core RPG players.

Games like PoE have a much broader appeal than that, meant for a broader audience.

An audience of hundreds of thousands is a bigger niche than something with appeal to mere tens of thousands, but it's a niche nonetheless. Big publishers have been counting in the millions since the 00s.

Not hardcore, not softcore. Medium core?

Mediocore.

 

[DeepOcean]

Alright, can't wait for the sequel of a game where the thing, most people remember, is an autistic asexual engineer female having a relationship with some random lesbian you find on a random ship stop and you having to arrange their relationship otherwise you are a bigot, boy, I'm jumping with joy, you guise don't know it. I remember on the past, being annoyed with the chosen one hero stories and imagining how the future of the storytelling in gaming could be. Now, being a hero is delivering cakes on gay weddings... what a joy.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

Now, being a hero is delivering cakes on gay weddings... what a joy.

To deliver cakes on lesbian asexual weddings, to be more precise. Gay men have no place here either.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

Wasteland 2 $2,933,252 - mediocre
Divinity: Original Sin 2 $2,032,434 - actually good and a commercial success
Shadowrun Returns $1,836,447 - actually good and a commercial success
Pathfinder: Kingmaker $909,057 - brilliant

Wasteland 2 - stinker
Dragqueen: Gay Sin 2 - faggotry and awful
Shadowrun Returns - stinker/iPhone game with zero cRPG meat
Pathfinder - ridden with bugs to this day, RTwP diarrhea

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

It's kinda sad seeing the decline. I remember lurking the dex during the WL2 and PoE Kickstarters and I couldn't help myself be caught up with the positivism and hope for the future of CPRGs,

I think I started reading the Codex because of these Kickstarter projects! LOL Dear codexer, if you despise my guts, know this: I'm only here because of W2 and PoE! XD

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

You gotta laugh at the ridiculous purity spiralling on the codex over what is a hardcore CRPG, you keep calling everything shit and you'll have nothing left to play.

They are frauds. Most of them played and replayed TOW. It's only a facade of puritanism.

 

[Tyranicon]

You gotta laugh at the ridiculous purity spiralling on the codex over what is a hardcore CRPG, you keep calling everything shit and you'll have nothing left to play.

They are frauds. Most of them played and replayed TOW. It's only a facade of puritanism.

You've been here since 2016 and this surprises you?