The Outer Worlds: Spacer's Choice Edition - Obsidian's first-person sci-fi RPG set in a corporate space colony

[Steamboat Willie]

time to talk about actual issues with the game

That was already not funny when it was posted 3 pages ago.

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.p...-leonard-boyarsky.130421/page-86#post-6380282

 

[eXalted]

Had no interest in this game whatsoever.

Decided to give it a shot yesterday.

Damn, I like it.

 

[RK47]

I am fascinated that someone does get paid for that though.

Hey shade,
I know you finished the game and I'm having trouble understanding something - how do you actually tell when your companions use melee/range?
I mean if you tell them to use their cooldown strike, it basically teleports them to melee range. And they just start wailing on them automatically. This happens with such frequency I'm starting to feel that I should just tinker up their melee stuff and put Corrosive for faster kills instead of bothering with guns.

Consumables
What the hell is this shit - I can't hotkey anything. I just gotta unlock infusion slots with Medicine so I can press F to get a combination of Healing + Banana or whatever is attached?

Companion Armor
If you give +Hack armor on Vicar - does it actually improve the bonus he gives me? Or is the Companion bonus fixed?

 

[The_Mask]

I just want to say I just got through 90 pages of Codex fiddling itself, and... what a ride. Absolutely amazing. I laughed. I cried. An emotional rollercoaster.

Spoiler

Too bad I won't buy the game next year, thanks Codex.

 

[HoboForEternity]

anyway i've been thinking if there is any dialogue change if you name your character hawthorne

 

[Shadenuat]

I am fascinated that someone does get paid for that though.

Hey shade,
I know you finished the game and I'm having trouble understanding something - how do you actually tell when your companions use melee/range?
I mean if you tell them to use their cooldown strike, it basically teleports them to melee range. And they just start wailing on them automatically. This happens with such frequency I'm starting to feel that I should just tinker up their melee stuff and put Corrosive for faster kills instead of bothering with guns.

Consumables
What the hell is this shit - I can't hotkey anything. I just gotta unlock infusion slots with Medicine so I can press F to get a combination of Healing + Banana or whatever is attached?

Companion Armor
If you give +Hack armor on Vicar - does it actually improve the bonus he gives me? Or is the Companion bonus fixed?

I never pressed companion ability in my life, because didn't really feel to have to and cause they become annoying very quickly. You can make them prefer one weapon over another in their charsheet?
but what I did was this really: I gave Vicar close range weapon (electro gun), set preference to average and he would rush in, use gun, and then switch to melee. Since his melee weapon was a stick that permaparalyzed enemies, I found this satisfactory.

You of course open inventory in combat and freely inhale everything you need (although not sure if there's cap on effects, probably there is one, but you only really need +crit drug)

Companion bonus seem to grow with their level. But what you should do is pick up perk for yourself that doubles skill bonus from armor (it only doubles base bonus, so +5 becomes +10), install that Silver Tongue upgrade and wear that.

 

[jf8350143]

chinese are the evil ones at the moment. they need to update.
russians turn is in 2020 when they start hacking and rigging again

Fucking LOL @ thinking ANY mass media product is going to portray China in any kind of negative light.

Does almost every western news agency counts as media product? Because all they do is spewing negative made up bullshit about China.

 

[Turbografx]

Just for fun I went on a rampage. With Parvati by my side, I turned her lover into a pile of ash. She exclaims 'That was wrong!', then business as usual. Very immersive.

I killed Ellie's parents in front of her. She got butthurt and left the party permanently. I would have killed her too, but she just vanished in front of me.

Apparently if you progress further with Parvati she will leave the party.

 

[Kallinyo]

Well, I've been playing this game and had high hopes for this game. But yeah, I'm really sick of this bam agenda fisted dialogue.
But forgetting that, there's one thing that Bethesda did well with they're NPCs is making them move around, drink, etc. The NPCs are kinda lifeless, well obsidian and Bethesda are both dead.
If this game had more gameplay from Fallout 4, but with actual good rpg choices. It would have been a fantastic game, but I don't really like Marxist type of ideologies in a good light in games.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

chinese are the evil ones at the moment. they need to update.
russians turn is in 2020 when they start hacking and rigging again

Fucking LOL @ thinking ANY mass media product is going to portray China in any kind of negative light.

Does almost every western news agency counts as media product? Because all they do is spewing negative made up bullshit about China.

rate this post with a honkler if you're being monitored by the CCP and required to defend the governor or else your organs get harvested

 

[Bad Sector]

Just finished the game. The ending was interesting...

Spoiler

Sounds like the SubLight lady was probably right :-P

I have a lot of thoughts about the game, but it is 3AM and i'm a bit sleepy. I was playing the game almost non-stop since Friday. I might expand my thoughts at a later point but in general i had fun. Though sadly i found it inferior to FNV in pretty much every aspect (save perhaps for some interior instances having a bit better level design) which was very disappointing - FNV is the RPG i've replayed the most, followed closely by VtMB. So i had some expectations.

But still, i had fun which is what matters i think. I may even replay the game at some point in the future, after it becomes cheap enough to buy it from a DRM-free store (i played the gamepass version). Perhaps with a different build i might even find some use for the perks (halfway through the game was just assigning random perks because nothing was very helpful) which in turn may make the "flaw" system useful (because otherwise i never felt the need to get a flaw).

 

[Yosharian]

chinese are the evil ones at the moment. they need to update.
russians turn is in 2020 when they start hacking and rigging again

Fucking LOL @ thinking ANY mass media product is going to portray China in any kind of negative light.

Does almost every western news agency counts as media product? Because all they do is spewing negative made up bullshit about China.

The media is full of shit, but what exactly is this 'negative, made-up bullshit' that is supposedly being said about China?

 

[LizardWizard]

The 25% damage flaws seem to be worth taking. 95% of everything is deleted in one TTD clip on Supernova with a Long Guns Crit build

 

[Dishonoredbr]

I gonna be honest after reading some people opinion on Edgewater quest in other places.. It's a really well done starting quest and i hope the rest is like that.

It's go beyond corporation bad , fredoom good, tries to trick players into belive Adelleide bullshit and always keep me think does this city of brainwashed people really deserve to suffer just because i disagree about their only way of living ? Sure , they were condition in this way but still do i really have this right ? Was really Reed wrong in not giving Adelleide's son the medicine when he was a incompent in hard time ?

Maybe i think too hard..

 

[jf8350143]

chinese are the evil ones at the moment. they need to update.
russians turn is in 2020 when they start hacking and rigging again

Fucking LOL @ thinking ANY mass media product is going to portray China in any kind of negative light.

Does almost every western news agency counts as media product? Because all they do is spewing negative made up bullshit about China.

The media is full of shit, but what exactly is this 'negative, made-up bullshit' that is supposedly being said about China?

The most recent one includes police in Hong Kong are brutally attacking the "peace loving protester who only wants freedom". In reality the protesters are throwing Molotov cocktail and robbing stores. Oh and the government are taking their freedom away, when in reality they have more freedom comparing to the days they were ruled by the UK.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

rate this post with a honkler if you're being monitored by the CCP and required to defend the governor or else your organs get harvested

Heh, that reminds me of how the NPCs behave in Outer Wo...oh.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Darkwind]

Have to agree with several others here, the writing is garbage tier reddit/tumblr fan fiction. I am -forcing- myself to play through now that I'm at Monarch but so far this is my experience:

1) Nearly every NPC of importance is a stronk independent wahmen. I mean every single one. Chief of Police Edgewater, Head of Security Groundbreaker, Chief Juliel, Sublight chief, etc. etc. it skews at least about 2/3 to 1/3 Female-to-male I'd say.

2) Related, almost every one of these women are the same personality cloned over & over again because it is the only thing these fucking lefty robots know how to write being that they see the world through their one dimensional prism. Snarky, sarcastic, and so hip and in on the joke at all times. The very thing that drives most men away from them IRL too because it gets so incredibly tiresome so fast. Other than Parvati there hasn't been a single somewhat feminine female in the game, I guess at least they throw you a bone early on even if she has no interest in a bone or anything else. *shrug*

3) The game should be called the Outer Fedex Processing Center. "Go get me this doodad, hey! can you go fetch this flimflam, do you have time to retrieve my fidget spinner?" 75% of the quests are of this variety, particularly the side quests. Again, we are churning out NPC Robots by the truckload at indoctrination centers universities who are trained to not have an original thought in their tiny manipulable brains. This comes out hugely in the quest design & particularly the writing.

Anyone carrying water for this game that it is even remotely in the league of even Fallout 4 much less NV has clearly heavily hit the crack pipe just prior to playing. It is shit tier writing, especially after the wonderful graphic novel (pseudo RPG) Disco Elysium.

 

[RK47]

Well...
they kept the males frozen in Hope.
That's your motivation.
That explains the plot clearly why it's a male who saved you.

 

[Dishonoredbr]

didnt read pages in here, im probably repeating some points

it doesnt feel like rpg

1. there are skills but they dont matter. Similar to pathfinder -> its not hard to cover every skill check. New case in here is how easy those checks are -> you can start your game covering all the skills at 10 pts or so. This gives you more xp so you lvl up faster so you can rise all the skills up evenly. As such there is no impact on choices you make in game due to char build/progression.
2. You can use and wield anything. There is no skill/attribute requirement. My below avg str guy can carry machine gun fine. It appears that you can obtain most of weapons early, rest are unique versions with some improvements. Power comes from incremental tinkering which is limited by your lvl.
3. player skill vs character build: melee appears to be fine - you need to lvl up defense, and get crucial skill driven perks to unlock important stuff. If you stick to guns however... not so much. Better handling? whatever. If you are good at fps games you stay untouchable while dropping headshots left and right. In fact I didn't put anything into combat/defense yet. Im almost done with 3rd area and I have yet to improve my combat capabilities. I have 4 lvls of skill points unassigned as I couldnt decide what I need. Apparently nothing for now. Not that you need to be good at shooting or something. There is so much ammo everywhere that I assume one can just spray and pray(from behind the cover)

One can't stop himself from comparing it to fallout 4. Its basically same as boring numerical/percentage increases got replaced with in theory complicated system that doesnt matter with how easy game is.
Fallout 4 actually felt more interesting as a shooter and gun tinkering was more fun. So far, there was no gun to attach silencer to. Also ammo/parts/food/meds were hard to come by at the beginning.

Which doesnt mean I dont like the story or setting, that even though its high capitalism it feels like communism. Too bad gameplay pulls me away. Im not sure I will finish it.

Probably worst offender is that sneaking isnt fun. I have a feeling I would enjoy it more if I respec and force myself to melee only. There is a possibility that game was designed around that

The game suffers from the same problemn after level 20 or so in New Vegas too much skills points but as the game is much shorter , its becomes much apparent early than was New Vegas.

We need a J.Sawyer mod soon.

 

[Serious_Business]

You like men eh. Lots of men in the video games. A masculine narrative. Traditional virile values. The phallus is omnipotent, but gentle at the same time. It must come from within, but also express itself outwards. And so, women want to take over the world, and the video game. A fatal mistake. God is absolute. The Phallus eternally erect. It must come from within, but also express itself outwards. As I walk through the valley of death, the masculine virtues eject sperm all over the maternal stratosphere. There can be only one. Power is Unity. Unity is the Phallus. These fools think to emasculate us, but I write on an rpg internet forum. I am beyond contemporary feminist culture. Nothing stops men from taking what they want. And what they want is the phallus. You know you want this fucking dick bonzo. It's coming out for you. It must come from within, but also express itself outwards.

 

[Drowed]

Which doesnt mean I dont like the story or setting, that even though its high capitalism it feels like communism.

Yeah, that's because of authoritarianism. Historically, most extreme left-wing governments tend to authoritarianism rather than libertarianism (not to be confused with liberalism). So when we talk about authoritarian entities, our first thought always tends to be communist governments. Capitalism can also perfectly lead to the same extreme given the appropriate context, but the irony is to see that many people put the idea of authoritarian capitalism in the future defend a position that has already shown itself as authoritarian in the past (and present).

 

[RK47]

didnt read pages in here, im probably repeating some points

it doesnt feel like rpg

1. there are skills but they dont matter. Similar to pathfinder -> its not hard to cover every skill check. New case in here is how easy those checks are -> you can start your game covering all the skills at 10 pts or so. This gives you more xp so you lvl up faster so you can rise all the skills up evenly. As such there is no impact on choices you make in game due to char build/progression.
2. You can use and wield anything. There is no skill/attribute requirement. My below avg str guy can carry machine gun fine. It appears that you can obtain most of weapons early, rest are unique versions with some improvements. Power comes from incremental tinkering which is limited by your lvl.
3. player skill vs character build: melee appears to be fine - you need to lvl up defense, and get crucial skill driven perks to unlock important stuff. If you stick to guns however... not so much. Better handling? whatever. If you are good at fps games you stay untouchable while dropping headshots left and right. In fact I didn't put anything into combat/defense yet. Im almost done with 3rd area and I have yet to improve my combat capabilities. I have 4 lvls of skill points unassigned as I couldnt decide what I need. Apparently nothing for now. Not that you need to be good at shooting or something. There is so much ammo everywhere that I assume one can just spray and pray(from behind the cover)

One can't stop himself from comparing it to fallout 4. Its basically same as boring numerical/percentage increases got replaced with in theory complicated system that doesnt matter with how easy game is.
Fallout 4 actually felt more interesting as a shooter and gun tinkering was more fun. So far, there was no gun to attach silencer to. Also ammo/parts/food/meds were hard to come by at the beginning.

Which doesnt mean I dont like the story or setting, that even though its high capitalism it feels like communism. Too bad gameplay pulls me away. Im not sure I will finish it.

Probably worst offender is that sneaking isnt fun. I have a feeling I would enjoy it more if I respec and force myself to melee only. There is a possibility that game was designed around that

If you take the Leadership skill to enable Companion skill - they can basically knockdown 2 targets for you at the start of the fight.
Then you just rush in with a time dilation shot to knockdown and proceed to pop their moles with your melee.
And yeah, don't sneak. Combat sneaking is just vanilla.
And the game keeps throwing generic loot at you over n over.
It comes to the point where I had only 2 guns equipped and armor set...and I'm still at 40 carry weight due to the consumables that I never had any need to consume. That's just bad balancing overall. Not to mention Tinkering (Science 20) makes your damage progression way too easy. All you need is broken down crap gear and bits.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Having obtained the game through unfathomable means, I am ready to embark upon this arduous journey for the good of the Codex and the proper roasting of Soy Worlds.

See you around, space cowboys.

 

[Yosharian]

chinese are the evil ones at the moment. they need to update.
russians turn is in 2020 when they start hacking and rigging again

Fucking LOL @ thinking ANY mass media product is going to portray China in any kind of negative light.

Does almost every western news agency counts as media product? Because all they do is spewing negative made up bullshit about China.

The media is full of shit, but what exactly is this 'negative, made-up bullshit' that is supposedly being said about China?

The most recent one includes police in Hong Kong are brutally attacking the "peace loving protester who only wants freedom". In reality the protesters are throwing Molotov cocktail and robbing stores. Oh and the government are taking their freedom away, when in reality they have more freedom comparing to the days they were ruled by the UK.

The protestor one I'm not familiar with, so I'll grant you that one. However, isn't it a fact that the Chinese government literally doesn't let its citizens talk about historical events openly? I'm not sure I buy that such a government allows more freedoms than Chinese citizens had historically under UK rule.

But, even if I do buy that, how is that a positive thing, ultimately? It's 2019, favourable comparisons against British Empire-era restrictions on personal freedoms should be a given, not something deserving of congratulation and praise.