The PS5 and Xbox 2 thread - it's happening

[Morgoth]

Don't SSDs wear out if the constantly have read/write applied?

You'd likely see the controller give up before the NAND cells give up. And if not.... JUST BUY A NEW PS5!!

 

[The Decline]

Don't SSDs wear out if the constantly have read/write applied?

Reading no, writing yes.

 

[Taxnomore]

Release the executable.

 

[DalekFlay]

This was nine years ago and we just reached the point where games look like that.

Digital foundry gotta digital foundry though

They've had "engine demos" like that which took forever to be achieved, but this is supposedly running on a PS5 and more like a console performance demo. Still, since it's scripted and not actually a game it likely looks much better than a game could (and is only 1440p and 30fps, which again makes me laugh out loud at the people who every generation insist "this is the one where console prioritize 60fps!" Yeah okay, sure Jan). Also maybe I'm crazy but while it looks really nice I don't think it looks unbelievable amazingly nice? Looks like a believable step up from stuff made in the last few years IMO, with seeming lack of any detail loss in the distance being the most impressive thing to me.

I watched that demo and then watched DF cum all over it and my response after both was "meh." Shadow of the Tomb Raider with slightly better visuals, okay. Diminishing returns indeed.

 

[sullynathan]

It does look nice. If you look at past tech demos, they look less impressive now than whenever they released while this one looks impressive and achievable.

 

[tritosine2k]

The tech looks like it was made for Disney's realtime stuff and they could trade overdraw problem for overhead https://youtu.be/gUnxzVOs3rk?t=150

 

[sullynathan]

 

[sullynathan]

 

[Lutte]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23169059

Some actual truth in marketing about the unreal engine because we see those impressive demos that never pan out all the time.

Let me throw in an anecdote that may amuse some: I was working for a now defunct large game company when Epic and Tim Sweeny came in to demo Unreal Engine 3 very early before the PS3 and XBox360 were launched. This was about 2004. Their demo blew away executives in particular. They showed multicolored lights casting multicolored shadows on a single high detail character. One of the lights was behind a stained glass window, projecting beautiful patterns. Soon after a deal was signed to use the engine throughout the entire studio. In retrospect that was a good decision and I have a lot of respect for Unreal Engine and Epic in general.
Edit: found the video of the demo levels that shipped with very early UE3


However UE3-generation games that finally shipped had none of the visual effects from the early demos. The multicolored shadows could only be rendered with multiple passes, at least one per light, which proved to be too expensive for larger dynamic game scenes. It took years of work from the demo to shipped games, and an army of unnamed engineers to wrestle the technology into a product.

UE4 had a great early demo of dynamic global illumination using something like voxel cone tracing if I remember correctly. To my knowledge that tech demo was never incorporated into the engine and never shipped.

Epic is famous for their demos, and I love them for it... at least now that I no longer work professionally in that field. If anything it charts a long term technical direction for interactive entertainment.

This UE3 demo still looks better than a ton of UE4 games :


You look at any modern games and you can find some that are prettier on a static screenshot, like RE2remake. But they all look extremely static compared to the dynamics of light, shadows and overall effects of the UE3 demo.

And we're now reaching 'UE5'. Whatever. I was more impressed when this UE3 demo released, or when Doom 3 ( a shitty game, an impressive tech demo ) was released. I was more impressed seeing the chaos of firefights and all the shit flowing into the air in F.e.a.r. Modern games make for pretty screenshots but are very unimpressive in motion. I won't even click the videos of demos of UE5, whatever nice features is in there is going to go unused in profit of making more static games to push 18k worth of pixels at 30 fps.

If you're not numb to game engine marketing by this point you're the perfect consumer.

 

[sullynathan]

Arkham knight looks mostly as good as that demo. Horizon and Breath of the Wild look better than that too, and they're all full open world games, not a vertical slice.

 

[Pegultagol]

I wonder if the first party will aim for current level of fidelity possible on PS4 Pro but 4K and 60fps plus HDR. At least for the first few years. I'd be somewhat more interested if backward compatible games getting the 4K treatment.

 

[sullynathan]

I wonder if the first party will aim for current level of fidelity possible on PS4 Pro but 4K and 60fps plus HDR. At least for the first few years. I'd be somewhat more interested if backward compatible games getting the 4K treatment.

Microsoft is very clearly going to do the latter quickly since they've already done so for a large amount of Xbox 360 and a few original Xbox games. Since this tech demo was 1440p 30 fps, I wager Sony especially will not mandate or push for 60 fps. Microsoft wil llikely not have all titles at 60fps either but they will probably push it more with 4K for marketing purposes like they've done at the tail end of this gen.

 

[DalekFlay]

Even most of the "4k" games on Xbox One X are either 30fps or reconstructed from a lower resolution in some fashion. True native 4k at 60fps is extremely hard to achieve, even on a good PC. I doubt that changes for a long time, especially with them pushing ray tracing and shit. This UE5 demo being 1440p and 30fps says a lot about where it's all headed.

 

[Morgoth]

 

[Morgoth]

Understandable. These are not fun times.... but there's still Command & Conquer coming out this week!!

 

[DJOGamer PT]

Sony is pretty much giving permission to be robbed.

I guess I'll get a PS5 and Bloodborne this year...

Kek.
Nintendo is the only one with enough sense not to get involded in this clusterfuck.
Based Japs.

 

[DalekFlay]

The "go ahead and loot, we're sorry" thing is probably the current apex of white guilt, but I'm sure there's a long way to go.

 

[Wunderbar]

Understandable. These are not fun times....

they just don't want to get overshadowed in the media.

 

[Morgoth]

The "go ahead and loot, we're sorry" thing is probably the current apex of white guilt, but I'm sure there's a long way to go.

You know you dummy that this isn't about looting, but about the systematic tyrannizing of poor people by American tax-payer funded thugs?

Going ahead and celebrating games and fun and shit in the face of all of this would be a bit tasteless and callous, to say at least. But Sony doesn't have anything to lose here anyways, as their symbolic act of solidarity (genuine or as a heinous marketing charade) will only end up selling them more PS5's.

 

[Irata]

Since they care about human rights have they moved their factories to Taiwan yet or are they still debating it? Did they post in support of those kids in Hong Kong? I'm going to laugh if Trump puts new tariffs in place right before these things launch.

 

[DalekFlay]

You know you dummy that this isn't about looting, but about the systematic tyrannizing of poor people by American tax-payer funded thugs?

You can protest that without looting small businesses owned by minorities, destroying your own neighborhoods and beating the shit out of old ladies trying to protect their stores. I'm fine with the real protests and companies supporting those, but the Sony statement directly supports property destruction and looting. That's retarded.

 

[Markman]

Just a marketing move. They want to maximize outreach but they cant now cause of 'muricans going bat shit crazy and taking all the headlines.

Both consoles should be out by november anyway.

Btw, question for you Sony fags not related to riots.

How important is back compatibility to you?

They still keep their lips shut about it but its a big issue I got when compared to Xbox versions where even now I get enhanced versions of games.

For someone that didnt buy a game on a disc for atleast 15 years I wonder what will happen with 80+ games I got on my Sony account and how will they work and transfer to a new console. I'd like to keep my library and ditch the old PS4. But if I get a PS5 and install lets say God of War and it still runs at 1080/30 it just makes it worthless getting cause at release there gonna be like 2 games worth playing.

 

[ricolikesrice]

they should bundle the PS5 with a free 6 months subscription to blacked.com - finally all those pathetic white guilt cucks can see their imaginary girlfriend "take a knee" for a good cause in premium quality.

#icantbreathe taken on a whole new level

 

[Citizen]

#icantbreathe taken on a whole new level

#icantbreate? more like #icantget60fps

 

[Tehdagah]

Rioting and looting will magically save the life of drug addicts and criminals in the future.