The PS5 and Xbox 2 thread - it's happening

[DalekFlay]

VA technology by its very nature is ill suited to fast refresh. The pixel structure that give it it's higher contrast ratio means it can't switch as rapidly as TN or IPS. So VA panel all have a smear/dark ghosting effect. Not too bad for me as I don't give a fuck about 144hz, but it defeats the entire purpose of fast refresh monitors. VA panels also have shite off angle viewing and gamma shift which can crush blacks with head on viewing. Fast refresh exists because the underlying technology of LCD is dogshit, they have to push these absurd frequences to counter the abysmal pixel response rate.

The fact you're mentioning 3000:1 contrast as some kind of benchmark says it all. Bias lighting? why don't you get a torch and shine it directly onto your screen? that'll improve the percieved black level as well... Ohh wait no it won't, because 90 percent of monitors have an anti glare coating which adds at a cataract over the image.

There are quality VA panels now with very low response times, and high refresh helps tremendously as well, making the smeary blacks issue much, much less of a problem. Not eliminated obviously, but not anywhere near as bad as it used to be. If your only standard is OLED blacks and you refuse anything else though then no, it's not going to meet your expectations. However I'm talking about PC monitors, not OLED TVs, so you're comparing apples and oranges. OLED monitors are like $5,000 still, and have their own flaws. I do look forward to them being more mainstream on PC.

 

[CrunchyHemorrhoids]

The PS5 port of Spiderman seems to require 55GBs as opposed to 73 on PS4. Not much to speculate on nextgen game install sizes given we don't know if that particular port's increase in asset quality is as significant as PS3->PS4 ports (where PS4 versions could be several times larger than PS3), but it's something.

After using the compact command on win10 game installs to see some of them shrink to less than half the size while running better (hitman 2, nioh) I got the impression current gen install sizes were particularly bloated.

 

[Zlaja]

-series S seems overpriced compared to digital PS5

Don't you mean the other way around? Series S costs 299$ while digital only PS5 costs 399$.

-non-digital PS5 seems overpriced compared to series X

They cost the same. 499$.

 

[vonAchdorf]

The PS5 port of Spiderman seems to require 55GBs as opposed to 73 on PS4. Not much to speculate on nextgen game install sizes given we don't know if that particular port's increase in asset quality is as significant as PS3->PS4 ports (where PS4 versions could be several times larger than PS3), but it's something.

After using the compact command on win10 game installs to see some of them shrink to less than half the size while running better (hitman 2, nioh) I got the impression current gen install sizes were particularly bloated.

Czerny said that the games on PS5 can be smaller, because they don't have to have the same asset 100 times on the disk because the SSD is faster.

 

[ricolikesrice]

Don't you mean the other way around? Series S costs 299$ while digital only PS5 costs 399$.

the digital-only-PS5 has A LOT better hardware than series S for only 100$ more .... thats why i think series S is seriously overpriced.......you get more than twice the GPU power, more cpu power, more ram, more/faster storage, more everything..... for only 100$ more.

imho reasonable pricing - related to the supposed power of the hardware - would be like this :

series X: $ 550
PS 5 : $ 500
PS 5 digital : $ 450
series S : $ 250

....so i personally was rather suprised how expensive series S ended up and how cheap PS5 digital.


my youngest son will get his PC next year and until then the xbox one S will be good enough, so i ll likely never buy a console again until i have grandchildren. ......but if i had no pc and had to chose a "next-gen console" it would be the series X - mostly because of game pass though, not the slightly better hardware or any exclusives.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Product codenames for the yet unreleased GeForce RTX 30 series have been exposed by Gigabyte.

Explains the non-existent launch.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Product codenames for the yet unreleased GeForce RTX 30 series have been exposed by Gigabyte.

Explains the non-existent launch.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

VA technology by its very nature is ill suited to fast refresh. The pixel structure that give it it's higher contrast ratio means it can't switch as rapidly as TN or IPS. So VA panel all have a smear/dark ghosting effect. Not too bad for me as I don't give a fuck about 144hz, but it defeats the entire purpose of fast refresh monitors. VA panels also have shite off angle viewing and gamma shift which can crush blacks with head on viewing. Fast refresh exists because the underlying technology of LCD is dogshit, they have to push these absurd frequences to counter the abysmal pixel response rate.

The fact you're mentioning 3000:1 contrast as some kind of benchmark says it all. Bias lighting? why don't you get a torch and shine it directly onto your screen? that'll improve the percieved black level as well... Ohh wait no it won't, because 90 percent of monitors have an anti glare coating which adds at a cataract over the image.

There are quality VA panels now with very low response times, and high refresh helps tremendously as well, making the smeary blacks issue much, much less of a problem. Not eliminated obviously, but not anywhere near as bad as it used to be. If your only standard is OLED blacks and you refuse anything else though then no, it's not going to meet your expectations. However I'm talking about PC monitors, not OLED TVs, so you're comparing apples and oranges. OLED monitors are like $5,000 still, and have their own flaws. I do look forward to them being more mainstream on PC.

Those VA's unfortunately fall apart when they're not cranking out max frames. This is my point, they're having to festoon these displays with absurd technologies to keep them relevent because the underlying display tecy is pushed to the limit and long past its sell by date. This is all Samsungs fault, the almighty margin on LCD's was higher than on OLED (currently). So instead of re-tooling those factories for the superior technology we had to deal with overdriven panels backlit by retarded local dimming, and their marketing juggernaught flogging bollocks like quantum dot. The almighty 1000:1 IPS and 3000:1 VA has been the standard and baseline for as long as I have been actively following display technologies now, which is over a decade. Absolute madness, and undeniable stagnation. Thankfully this might be changing as Samsung announced they're re-investing in OLED.

Decent Monitors actually equipped with this shite is expensive as fuck too, some of these things go for £700 to over a grand depending on spec and size. Whereas 55 inch OLED's regularly go on sale for around a grand. The monitor market is in the dark ages currently.

 

[DalekFlay]

Bring back the CRT, I say. If we can still have vinyl records in 2020 why not widescreen CRTs. I'm being 100% serious.

 

[J_C]

Bring back the CRT, I say. If we can still have vinyl records in 2020 why not widescreen CRTs. I'm being 100% serious.

I would love a good CRT, playing all the old games like back in the old days. Imagine Might and Magic VI or the Infinity Engine games with native resolution on a good CRT!
But these monstrosities took up so much space, were heavy and burnt your eyes out, so with heavy heart but I have to say that I wouldn't use them with clear https://www.google.com/search?clien...UKEwjMpOKR7fXrAhXR-ioKHcAeC-oQkeECKAB6BAggECg
conscious.

 

[DalekFlay]

I would love a good CRT, playing all the old games like back in the old days. Imagine Might and Magic VI or the Infinity Engine games with native resolution on a good CRT!
But these monstrosities took up so much space, were heavy and burnt your eyes out, so with heavy heart but I have to say that I wouldn't use them with clear
conscious.

I watched some video a while back that said it was impossible even as a niche product because the production lines required would be extremely expensive as would the shipping of such heavy items. It's a bummer.

 

[CrunchyHemorrhoids]

Czerny said that the games on PS5 can be smaller, because they don't have to have the same asset 100 times on the disk because the SSD is faster.

The new hardware not shitting itself when it comes to compression probably also helps. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14CVXd6PTIYE9XlNpRsxJUGaoUzhC5titIC1rzQHI4yI/edit#gid=0

 

[Ebonsword]

Bring back the CRT, I say. If we can still have vinyl records in 2020 why not widescreen CRTs. I'm being 100% serious.

I would love a good CRT, playing all the old games like back in the old days. Imagine Might and Magic VI or the Infinity Engine games with native resolution on a good CRT!
But these monstrosities took up so much space, were heavy and burnt your eyes out, so with heavy heart but I have to say that I wouldn't use them with clear
conscious.

I keep an old 17" CRT around for retro gaming. What I really miss most about CRTs is their ability to handle so many different resolutions. So, you can play old games at 640x480 without it being a blurry mess while still being able to play somewhat newer titles at 1600x1200.

A 17" CRT isn't really *that* big or heavy, so it's worth tracking one down if you play a lot of older titles.

 

[Ebonsword]

Anyway, getting things back to the console war, I'm more excited about the supposedly upgraded Switch that will be coming out than either the new Sony or Microsoft console. But that's probably because I haven't owned a Nintendo console since the Gamecube, so there's quite a few titles that have built up over the years that I'd be interested in playing.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

 

[smaug]

I watched the new Spider-Man trailer, you get to be black this time?

What's the appeal, a teenage girl being the villain?

Also Spider-Man has electric powers now?

Damn, Spider-Man has changed a lot since I was a kid

 

[CrunchyHemorrhoids]

I keep an old 17" CRT around for retro gaming. What I really miss most about CRTs is their ability to handle so many different resolutions. So, you can play old games at 640x480 without it being a blurry mess while still being able to play somewhat newer titles at 1600x1200.

A 17" CRT isn't really *that* big or heavy, so it's worth tracking one down if you play a lot of older titles.

240p/360p/480p/540p/720p/1080p/1440p/2160p should scale flawlessly to an 8K screen as long as your screen or GPU does integer scaling. Good CRTs still have the advantage of superior motion resolution compared to most LCDs but OLED and plasmas (rip) are close enough IMO.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Sony is in for the fight of it's life, here.

 

[DalekFlay]

Sony is in for the fight of it's life, here.

Especially considering Playstation is now their biggest profit source.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Sony is in for the fight of it's life, here.

Especially considering Playstation is now their biggest profit source.

Enormous broadside. The rumours are that Sony have been trying to buy up exclusivity across the board, so this is a pretty big message to cut that shit out because they simply can't compete with the MS warchest.

MS now have access to id engineers. I wasn't the biggest fan of Eternal as a game, but my god that engine is an absolute screamer.

They've got both the cheapest, and the more powerful console.

They have the gamepass.

They have actually decent back compatability.

Only thing they were lacking in was the exclusives.

 

[oddech_wymarlych_swiatow]

Only thing they were lacking in was the exclusives.

Sony fanboys are always throwing 'EXCLUSIVES!' left and right but in fact since PS3 it means 3-4 cinematic craps.

It's Nintendo who has true exlusives (of quantity and quality), Nu-Playstation and Xbox are just too similar, few popamoles shouldn't make any major difference and minor details are in favour of M$ (pricing, b. compatibility).

 

[J_C]

Only thing they were lacking in was the exclusives.

Sony fanboys are always throwing 'EXCLUSIVES!' left and right but in fact since PS3 it means 3-4 cinematic craps.

It's Nintendo who has true exlusives (of quantity and quality), Nu-Playstation and Xbox are just too similar, few popamoles shouldn't make any major difference and minor details are in favour of M$ (pricing, b. compatibility).

Those 3-4 cinematic craps as you call it are more like 6-8, and those are the biggest sellers usually in a console generation. They are selling consoles, and in a result PS4 won this generation. We will see how the gamepass will affect this generation, but let's not jump to conclusions without having anything to base them on.

 

[oddech_wymarlych_swiatow]

Those 3-4 cinematic craps as you call it are more like 6-8, and those are the biggest sellers usually in a console generation. They are selling consoles, and in a result PS4 won this generation. We will see how the gamepass will affect this generation, but let's not jump to conclusions without having anything to base them on.

M$ just bought Bethesda.

Fallout 5, Doom 6, Quake 7, Elder Scrolls 6, Wolfenstein X NOT on Playstation.

Xbox will roll over PS body this gen.

 

[Kem0sabe]

Think I'll subscribe to that all access thing microsoft is selling, fuck sony and it's 80€ games.

Will the series s have the se performance as the x but at 1080p or will the console be severally gimped due to less ram and weaker gpu?

 

[JDR13]

M$ just bought Bethesda.

Fallout 5, Doom 6, Quake 7, Elder Scrolls 6, Wolfenstein X NOT on Playstation.

Probably not, but they won't be Xbox exclusives either.