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The Witcher 3: Blood and Wine Expansion

SlimmyJim

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Ciri is playable again which kind of discard few possible endings in vanilla.
As for mechanics Geralt can now crouch as well as jump and in both execute sword slashes. Its nice and powerful once you get used to it.

Don't listen to that guy above me. The most influencing change is addition to character perk system. You can unlock 4 additional slots which don't affect any of selected mutagens (you don't get any more bonuses from those) plus you can spend extra skill points as well as mutagens to unlock new passive abilities like 50% of sword damage added to your sign damage or 15% decrease of incoming damage for each point of adrenaline. You also get new recipes to convert green, blue and red mutagens to any other color so you don't need to farm them to unlock new ability of this system. It sort of makes NG+ more relevant as you will find that you need more skillpoints to unlock these new skills and if you want to abuse certain ones such as Synergy (50% increased bonuses from mutagens). You also get new tier of witcher gear so no longer Viper set is the best one (unless you play on NG+ as blunt resistance from Bear set is very practical against humanoid enemies).

Thanks you two, if I'm reading you right then all they've done is build on what's already there for the combat or narrative so all the fundamentals remain unchanged.

I've just uploaded the first two of my videos, if anyone is interested here's the link to the first one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf7TfvYYibY

Back on topic, does anyone think the expansion is ultimately worth the money if you don't have the season pass?
 

Wolfe

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Without a doubt. At least 20 hours of overall great quality content for less than £15? That's a better offer than many AAAs out there.
 

Duellist_D

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Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 BattleTech
Absolutely worth the Money!
Finished both paths, the Addon gives a very satisfactory way to say Farewell! to Geralt.
 

Wolfe

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There is at least one choice that I know of that leads to the story branching through different quests.
 

Gerrard

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Oh man, I just did the quest with the hallucinogenic mushrooms. :lol:

E:
fUTIhOP.jpg

:hmmm:
 
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Yoshiyyahu

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So only another higher vampire can kill a higher vampire? Why does Geralt kill one in the vanilla Witcher 3, then? He never mentions this.

I think it's a pretty good DLC, worth the money, but some of the story derps and leaps of logic were pretty frustrating. Gotta harvest vampire blood, but it has to be ANGRY vampire blood. Duchess knows its her sister and that she is in some random keep, wine guru can guess which wine and year from the smell of it. Felt like an episode of CSI or something. Also, plagued with too many cutscenes and not enough good olde witcher contracts and learning about monsters.
 

Duellist_D

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Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 BattleTech
Higher Vampire is both a class (Alp, Bruxa) and a specific type. The one in W3 belongs to the former, those in B&W to the latter.

Interesting tidbit: Orianna is the Vampire Geralt kills in one of the old cinematic trailers
 

Gerrard

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So only another higher vampire can kill a higher vampire? Why does Geralt kill one in the vanilla Witcher 3, then? He never mentions this.
I don't remember this being touched on in the books, so most likely just something CDPR made up on the spot.
 

Wolfe

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Well, it works for the purpose of the storyline. As far as I remember, we don't get that much insight into the "society" of higher ranking vampires in the books, aside from a few discussions with Regis, right?
 

Malpercio

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From what I gathered, you can "kill" High-level vampires but not actually kill them?

Where the vampires in W3 vanilla even High Level?
 

Duellist_D

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Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 BattleTech
Higher Vampires are both a class description and a specific type. The specific type can only be killed by other vamps.
The members of the class are like the Guy in W3.
 

Dustin DePenning

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Just starting and I'm curious- are there mutagens higher than greater available? I'm tired of swimming in greater mutagens and not having much to do with them.
 

Duellist_D

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Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 BattleTech
Nah, but you can burn them on the new Mutation Slot.
Takes quite a few to unlock all Slots.
 

Orma

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Mutations i did not even discover until after i've finished the main quest, seems pretty pointless. (esp. considering i'm level 52 and p. much out of content)

Might still be better than wasting points on a feat(skill?) you probably don't have an open slot for anyway.
 

Doktor Best

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Pointless? They open up new slots for your skills and they provide a significant boost (especially the freeze mutation for Aard). What else should you spend your ability points on? You filled up your skill slots at level 35 or something completely.
 

Carrion

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Regarding higher vampires, I think it's something that they kind of fucked up in vanilla TW3 and then retconned in B&W. I've got to say I prefer the expansion's view of it, as the base game contradicts itself and the lore on several occasions.

Finished the main quest, just some short comments:

I liked the main quest as a story, but it didn't suit an open-world game at all, barely giving you any suitable spots for side-questing. The main quest in the base game wasn't perfect in this regard either, but at least it usually allowed you to walk from one place to another on your own, whereas B&W usually didn't even give you the option. The endgame was the most ridiculous, sending you all over the map from one cutscene to another with these "a few days later" gaps in between, never letting you do anything on your own. I suppose that in terms of the story it's appropriate that you finish the main quest rather quickly and then just stay around to improve your vineyard and search for random witcher's work, but after finishing the main quest I'm way overleveled for all the side quests I've found so far, so it's hardly perfect that way either.

I agree with Yoshiyyahu that some of the quests in the main storyline were a bit convoluted, even though the quests themselves were really cool. Getting a couple of obscure tasks to gather a bunch of super-rare ingredients for some magic concoction was especially lazy. It didn't really feel like you were doing any actual detective work on your own, because it was just a linear romp where things somehow solved themselves in a cutscene.

There was very little in terms of C&C from what I could tell, but the fork near the end was cool and better than I initially assumed.

I got the Empress ending (the best and correct one, in my opinion) on my playthrough of the main game in this save, yet Ciri came to Corvo Bianco telling about her witchering adventures. Bug or feature? Kind of sucks if they're treating the witcher ending as canon regardless of your choices.

The mutations are a nice addition to character development, even if you don't get to play with them that much (not until NG+, at least). Totally overpowered, but it's nice that you get some use out of all of the thousands of spare mutagens you've picked up.

Having a few quests revolve around visiting points of interest might be kind of lazy, but I do appreciate the effort to tie them more logically into the game world. All in all, I'd say the world-building is notably better than in the base game in almost every way.

All in all, it's cool.
 

Tytus

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just some short comments:


Empress ending contradicts the epilogue of the books so it can't the canon one though. In the books epilogue Emhyr van Emreis gets assasinated in a coup some years after the ending. And that also happens in the game but only if he loses the war. But I agree it's shitty that Ciri shows up not as an Empress in trainging or anything.
 

Carrion

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Empress ending contradicts the epilogue of the books so it can't the canon one though. In the books epilogue Emhyr van Emreis gets assasinated in a coup some years after the ending. And that also happens in the game but only if he loses the war. But I agree it's shitty that Ciri shows up not as an Empress in trainging or anything.
Haven't read the last book since I'm still waiting for the Finnish translation to come out in a couple of days, but fair enough. It just seems weird to include the whole scene in that case, as it doesn't exactly manage to bring a sense of closure or anything of that sort if you didn't get the witcher ending. I'm sure it's a nice little scene if you did, but the Empress ending was already a very satisfying ending for the relationship between Geralt and Ciri, and in the context of TW3 it also came off as the most sensible one by far.

I'm guessing Ciri also appears if you got the bad ending? What if you haven't finished the main quest of vanilla TW3 yet? Somehow I can't help but blame the current fanbase and their BioWarian ferocity for this pointless bit of fan service.
 

Tytus

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Empress ending contradicts the epilogue of the books so it can't the canon one though. In the books epilogue Emhyr van Emreis gets assasinated in a coup some years after the ending. And that also happens in the game but only if he loses the war. But I agree it's shitty that Ciri shows up not as an Empress in trainging or anything.
Haven't read the last book since I'm still waiting for the Finnish translation to come out in a couple of days, but fair enough. It just seems weird to include the whole scene in that case, as it doesn't exactly manage to bring a sense of closure or anything of that sort if you didn't get the witcher ending. I'm sure it's a nice little scene if you did, but the Empress ending was already a very satisfying ending for the relationship between Geralt and Ciri, and in the context of TW3 it also came off as the most sensible one by far.

I'm guessing Ciri also appears if you got the bad ending? What if you haven't finished the main quest of vanilla TW3 yet? Somehow I can't help but blame the current fanbase and their BioWarian ferocity for this pointless bit of fan service.


I just read a little on the internet and it seems you had some sort of a bug. From what I gather and what people are saying when Ciri dies/disappears or becomes Empress and you didn't romance anybody - Triss/Yen. Dandelion should show up in Corvo Bianco. He also appears in the third ending to save your ass. Don't know if that's true though.
 

Wolfe

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Empress ending contradicts the epilogue of the books so it can't the canon one though. In the books epilogue Emhyr van Emreis gets assasinated in a coup some years after the ending. And that also happens in the game but only if he loses the war. But I agree it's shitty that Ciri shows up not as an Empress in trainging or anything.
Haven't read the last book since I'm still waiting for the Finnish translation to come out in a couple of days, but fair enough. It just seems weird to include the whole scene in that case, as it doesn't exactly manage to bring a sense of closure or anything of that sort if you didn't get the witcher ending. I'm sure it's a nice little scene if you did, but the Empress ending was already a very satisfying ending for the relationship between Geralt and Ciri, and in the context of TW3 it also came off as the most sensible one by far.

I'm guessing Ciri also appears if you got the bad ending? What if you haven't finished the main quest of vanilla TW3 yet? Somehow I can't help but blame the current fanbase and their BioWarian ferocity for this pointless bit of fan service.


I just read a little on the internet and it seems you had some sort of a bug. From what I gather and what people are saying when Ciri dies/disappears or becomes Empress and you didn't romance anybody - Triss/Yen. Dandelion should show up in Corvo Bianco. He also appears in the third ending to save your ass. Don't know if that's true though.
It's true.
 

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