The Witcher The Witcher IV - The Ciri Saga Begins

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Anyways, we will see how it plays out, but I wouldn't be shocked if W4 sales end up being very disappointing compared to the expectations.

They will almost certainly have small sections of the game where you control Geralt (much like you did with Ciri in W3). CDPR will use these in all the marketing so people will be even more disappointed when the game releases.

 

[PorkyThePaladin]

Maybe Geralt's sections will just involve him sitting on a log, holding his head in his hands and ruing how he slept with all those women instead of being a stay-at-home dad.

 

[Harthwain]

It is explicitly stated that women cannot become witchers.

No, it is never explicitly stated neither in the books, nor in the games. Why the fuck you lie?

It may not be explicitly stated, but it is heavily implied multiple times that witchers only look for boys when it comes to training new witchers (which suggests that women aren't considered, because they die):

Certain tidings from the world even reach Brokilon. Tidings about a certain witcher, who for services rendered occasionally demanded curious vows. "You will give me what you do not expect to find at home." "You will give me what you already have, but about which you do not know." Does that sound familiar? After all, for some time you witchers have been trying in this way to direct fate, you have been seeking boys designated by fate to be your successors...

The Trial of the Grasses, Calanthe, is dreadful. And what is done to boys during the time of the Changes is even worse. And Irreversible.

As I told you, ten children play there in the ditch. Choose the one that seems to you the most suitable. Take him with you and by the gods make him a witcher, because that is the will of destiny.

"None of the children playing in the ditch is suited to become a witcher," he said slowly. "The son of Pavetta is not among them."

"One single attempt," repeated Calanthe. "I said before: we are not characters in a story, this is real life where we must find our own moments of happiness, because, you know, we can hardly count on a happy ending. That is why, regardless of your choice, you will not leave empty-handed. You will take a child. Whichever you have chosen. A child that you will turn into a witcher... provided that he passes the Trial of Grasses, of course."

You even have it said directly that girls have a different purpose than boys:

"Girls with any deformity or unwanted by their families were given to the lodge to be trained as sorcerecess. The same thing happened to boys, but they were given to schools to be trained as Witchers."

And this is probably the most direct statement that women can't become witchers:

"Geralt, you demanded a vow from Calanthe, then from Pavetta and her husband. The vow has been kept. Ciri is the Child of Destiny. Destiny demands..." "That I take the child and turn her into a witcher?" A little girl? Take a good look at me, Mousesack. Can you imagine me as a comely lass?"

You could maybe try to spin it that someone could rediscover a way how to make witchers again, and even make it possible to turn girls into witchers, but that's NOT something based on the books themselves, which clearly states girls aren't even considered to be a witcher material, for obvious reasons. That would simply be fanfiction and making stuff up on the basis of "if it doesn't say it is impossible, then it is technically possible" regardless of how (un)likely the concept in question is.

 

[moon knight]

It's literally stated that women don't survive the Trial of Grasses you brainless worm. Why do you exist?

Again, wrong. I exist to correct idiocy and bad faith argument like yours. It is never explicitally stated that girls don't survive, it just that there is no mention of a living witcher woman in the books.
Which means little when in Blood of Elves, which is the book that does the heavy lifting when it comes to the wordlbuilding and set up of the Saga, you have Triss openly considering the possibility that Geralt called her to help mutate Ciri. The internal monologue, other than establishing Triss as a character and her relationship with Geralt, establishes that Ciri being mutated is very much a possibility.

In all this, discussing what the books say or don't say is also a pointless excercise. The books say that Emhyr has taken a Ciri lookalike as wife, but there is no mention of it in the game. The books say that Geralt can't use magic if he hasn't taken potions for a while, the games ignore this and have a generous vigor meter. The books say that Novigrad has more than 20 temples, the game only has 1. The books say that the White Frost is just climate change, the games treat it as a magical phenomenon. And I could go on. The games so far haven't been 100% faithful. Ciri can be whatever the fuck the writers want her to be. Of course, they need to well justify any change.

You could maybe try to spin it that someone could rediscover a way how to make witchers again, and even make it possible to turn girls into witchers, but that's NOT something based on the books themselves, which clearly states girls aren't even considered to be a witcher material, for obvious reasons.

It already happened, in an expansion for the Gwent game.

That would simply be fanfiction and making stuff up on the basis of "if it doesn't say it is impossible, then it is technically possible" regardless of how (un)likely the concept in question is.

Yeah. None of the games are canon and they all have stuff that is in contraddiction with the book saga.

 

[Harthwain]

Which means little when in Blood of Elves, which is the book that does the heavy lifting when it comes to the wordlbuilding and set up of the Saga, you have Triss openly considering the possibility that Geralt called her to help mutate Ciri. The internal monologue, other than establishing Triss as a character and her relationship with Geralt, establishes that Ciri being mutated is very much a possibility.

Triss' internal monologue is proven wrong though:

"It’s possible. Certain even. Ciri is a Source and has mediumistic powers. What is more, these powers are very, very worrying. And you, my dear witchers, are perfectly well aware of this. You’ve noticed these powers and they have worried you too. That is the one and only reason you brought me here to Kaer Morhen? Am I right? The one and only reason?" “Yes,” Vesemir confirmed after a moment’s silence.

The reason she was called to Kaer Morhen - as a sorceress - was to help Ciri with her magic powers (and because Triss is a woman and Ciri needs another female to talk about stuff that men can't really give advice on, if I remember correctly).

It already happened, in an expansion for the Gwent game.

I never played it and the Internet has nothing to say about it, so I am not sure what you mean. Is there a card describing a female witcher or something?

Yeah. None of the games are canon and they all have stuff that is in contraddiction with the book saga.

That sounds about right.

 

[moon knight]

Triss' internal monologue is proven wrong though:

True, but the fact that she (who is an above avaerage sorceress despite her realitive young age) considered it possible means that the chance of Ciri undergoing the trials successfully is not zero. If not, I don't think Sapko would've hinted at the possibility (which is used as a misdirection in the narrative)

I never played it and the Internet has nothing to say about it, so I am not sure what you mean. Is there a card describing a female witcher or something?

Disregard this, I double checked and I was wrong, The expansion is basically the story of Alzur and the creation of the first witcher. I thought it said that the experiment was successful but it was long ago, the story is a bit different.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

discussing what the books say or don't say is also a pointless excercise.

No actually that's exactly what determines what is canon or not.

 

[moon knight]

 

[lukaszek]

 

[samoilaaa]

people in the subreddit say that there is no difference and they didnt change her , they are either lying or they are blind

 

[thesecret1]

Slits for pupils. They really made her a witcher, didn't they?

 

[JarlFrank]

people in the subreddit say that there is no difference and they didnt change her , they are either lying or they are blind

Everyone on reddit is gay, they wouldn't know what an attractive woman looks like if a 10.000$ a night hooker grabbed them by the crotch.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

Hey nice, she looks better. Now replace here with a male witcher.

 

[Child of Malkav]

I mean, she wasn't some miss universe in W3 either.

 

[Ryzer]

I'm glad they improved her face, they admitted it was bad without saying it.

 

[zaze]

people in the subreddit say that there is no difference and they didnt change her , they are either lying or they are blind

Looks like the same to me she's just older now

 

[Lodis]

Don’t care how she looks, I’m not playing what will probably be a 40+ hour RPG with a female protagonist.

 

[Mauman]

I'm unbelievably annoyed that they made her a witcher mutations and all. Her empress ending was MUCH better.

Never mind the in-universe retcon bullshit about female witchers (yes, yes, I know a few of you defend it, but it's still stupid). This doesn't even go into what it means for her lineage and how it's now effectively ended (unless another Alvin shows up or something) and the implications therein.

Frankly, I feel we (as w3 players) deserve this since a bunch of you people supported the "female witcher" ending in w3.

Reap what you sow.

 

[moon knight]

Don’t care how she looks, I’m not playing what will probably be a 40+ hour RPG with a female protagonist.

 

[Ryzer]

Don’t care how she looks, I’m not playing what will probably be a 40+ hour RPG with a female protagonist.

If the game is good like say Tomb Raider, I think it's tolerable but there is a few chance this game will be good.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

This doesn't even go into what it means for her lineage and how it's now effectively ended

The entirety of Ciri's plotline is based on a prophecy, one that scientific - in the context of the setting - minds consider true and therefore actionable. Moreover, by virtue of the same trait that makes her part of the aformentioned prophecy, she's part of another prophecy that both the books, and the early games (and even Witcher 3 for all its redardation related to White Frost) establish to be a genuine vision of the future. By the rules of the world, Ciri could jump into a volcano in an attempt to avoid giving birth to Gozer, and still land pussy first on a dick. Anything else breaks the premise of the setting and of the narrative itself, and that includes her becoming infertile due to transi... I mean Witcher trials.

 

[frajaq]

woah shes pretty now

 

[Iucounu]

I hope you realize that Ciri's appearance will keep changing many times before release. This version is just to appease current backlash, then they'll slowly revert back to their original vision.

 

[Elttharion]

woah shes pretty now

They didnt change anything btw

 

[Lyric Suite]

I'm unbelievably annoyed that they made her a witcher mutations and all. Her empress ending was MUCH better.

Never mind the in-universe retcon bullshit about female witchers (yes, yes, I know a few of you defend it, but it's still stupid). This doesn't even go into what it means for her lineage and how it's now effectively ended (unless another Alvin shows up or something) and the implications therein.

Frankly, I feel we (as w3 players) deserve this since a bunch of you people supported the "female witcher" ending in w3.

Reap what you sow.

I haven't gotten to the books yet but in the stories Witchers are a product of fate. It's not just about the trial thingy children are claimed to become witchers according to some kind of predestination or prophecy. Was that changed in the novels?