Decline Thiaf Pre-Release Thread

[dextermorgan]

God dammit...

Well I suppose it could be A LOT worse then this.

How?

 

[skacky]

I think having a minigame that takes the player out of the game is detrimental to stealth as a whole. What was good with Thief 1 and 2, and even better with The Dark Mod since it was made more difficult, was that you were very vulnerable while picking a lock. You sometimes had to change lockpicks, and you sometimes had to do this in plain light while having to dodge a guard patrolling the area. If lockpicking is now a minigame like Bioshock's, then there's next to no point in it.

 

[racofer]

The region has come under rule of an iron-fisted Baron, who crushes his citizens under the boot of a militarized watch. Propoganda posters speak of prosperity, but this good fortune comes only to the elite.

Players won't likely encounter undead monsters or prowling dinosaurs as they did in the early Thief titles.

attaches to certain points

Focus lights up the screen and highlights pipes you can climb or candles you can put out to darken the room.

upgrade your Focus

fingerprints system that will give you hints on which drawers are worthwhile to look in.

use your Thief skills

like CSI to figure out where the valuables are.

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[Roguey]

I've written this before, but if there's no active decision making in picking a lock or hacking a terminal, there's no "play" in it, no player skill or decision making at all.

Oh, gawd, people working on RPGs without actually understanding them. And then we wonder why they suck.

He's completely right.

 

[tuluse]

Meh, everyone hated DX:HR when the first details came out too.

I didn't enjoy DX: HR, so I doubt I'll enjoy this. Still, it might be lulzy to see how exactly they are going to "update" the series.

Also I've still no idea why AAA devs continue to introduce all these minigames in their games; I find it hard to believe there really are enough people who enjoy minigames out there to create such a demand for them.

Technically even Thief locks were simple minigames, since you had to switch lockpicks sometimes.

I'm not opposed to very quick and simplistic minigames whose only purpose is to occupy the player's concentration, leaving him open to being surprised and ambushed. For example, the hacking minigame in Bioshock 2.

I agree, I guess - I was just wondering about the current popularity of minigames in general, really.

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Now we just need someone to figure out how to make lock picking fun since it hasn't happened yet.

 

[DeepOcean]

The world must have a balance of good and evil, after the potential of incline from kickstarter, we need to watch as Thief is popamolish raped in a very slow and excruciating fashion.

 

[mindx2]

Jaesun, you should have this thread redirect to http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/lets-play-thief-the-decline-project-finished.54745/.

And poor mindx2. I hope you can maintain your sanity.

*forgive my total lack of Photoshop skills

 

[Metro]

D1P

 

[dnf]

I guess minigames only becomes good when they cease to be a minigame. Just look at Operation Flashpoint for example: You have a slow paced first/third person tactical shotter game, a tank game, a copter/aircraft game, a low scale RTS game, a stealth game, etc... Now take a look at modern sandboxes: Most of these games have a well done gameplay mechanic(driving in GTA, shotting in Far Cry 2, exploring in TES games) and shallow gameplay mechanics(fighting and shotting in GTA, TES minigames, AssCreed side quests,etc...). The shallow part of these sandboxes can just as well be called minigames.
The same can be applied to today linear/semi linear games that Thiaf will make part. If the best praise a minigame can get is to be not annoying enough, then i don't see the fucking point designing it.

I've written this before, but if there's no active decision making in picking a lock or hacking a terminal, there's no "play" in it, no player skill or decision making at all.

Oh, gawd, people working on RPGs without actually understanding them. And then we wonder why they suck.

He's completely right.

But whats the point in being right when the mechanics are shit. Can you say a minigame that's actually good to a game not just "i didn't bother me"?

 

[Sergiu64]

God dammit...

Well I suppose it could be A LOT worse then this.

How?

I could be a full on cover shooter. Or completely focus on combat with stealth being an afterthought. It could have much worse character/costume design. It could be on rails, etc, etc.

 

[Jick Magger]

rip in peace Thief.

 

[felipepepe]

rip in peace Thief.

You know that R.I.P. already stands for "Rest in Peace", right?

 

[octavius]

God dammit...

Well I suppose it could be A LOT worse then this.

How?

I could be a full on cover shooter. Or completely focus on combat with stealth being an afterthought. It could have much worse character/costume design. It could be on rails, etc, etc.

It could be Splinter Cell. <shudder>

 

[Jack]

rip in peace Thief.

Rest in peace in peace?

 

[DalekFlay]

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I think the core problem is mini-games are very rarely, if ever, enjoyable. He seems to dodge that issue by saying you can't lump them all together and judge it as a whole, but honestly what is a fun RPG mini-game? I can't think of even one, and I am one of the most lenient and forgiving people here on modern games.

At least Fallout 3/New Vegas had skill point requirements that still made lockpicking and such RPG-esque. In Oblivion and Skyrim lockpicking is a total dump stat, if you are good enough at the mini-game (which isn't hard) then you need no skill increases.

 

[evdk]

rip in peace Thief.

You know that R.I.P. already stands for "Rest in Peace", right?

Rip Eidos bastards to shreds in peace.

 

[Darth Slaughter]

Upgrades? Garrett is... was the master thief. he is "un-upgradable".

Sound design will be like it is nowadays: you do noise or you don't. In thief, sound had effects on distance. you could be noisy as a rock band if far enough, and AI wouldn't detect you. But even running on a carpet or other not-so-loud surfaces would bring the attention of a close guard. New games have noise steps aways, and you upgrade to completely silent walking, independent of the tipe of floor, jumping etc.

damn... the game could at least make very little success so they bury the "franchise" forever.

 

[Jack]

It's as if Assassin's Creed and Dishonored had a baby. :puke:

 

[Jick Magger]

rip in peace Thief.

You know that R.I.P. already stands for "Rest in Peace", right?

rip in peace Thief.

Rest in peace in peace?

Sorry, little tick I picked up from /v/.

But yeah, that's the joke.

 

[Roguey]

But whats the point in being right when the mechanics are shit. Can you say a minigame that's actually good to a game not just "i didn't bother me"?

I think the core problem is mini-games are very rarely, if ever, enjoyable. He seems to dodge that issue by saying you can't lump them all together and judge it as a whole, but honestly what is a fun RPG mini-game? I can't think of even one, and I am one of the most lenient and forgiving people here on modern games.

I thought hacking in New Vegas and Human Revolution was fun. The big problem with HR was that it was overused. And while not RPGs I enjoyed all the puzzle treasure boxes in the Onimusha games.

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[Cromwell]

As long as im supposed to be a masterthief and also, at the same time be able to fail horribly at lockpicking the easiest locks just because I click wrong, minigames are bad. I dont want to play my lefthanded ten thumped worthless self in middleages, I want to be a masterthief, let me be one, dont force me to feel as worthless as I am just because you want to add a minigame. Im awesome as fuck and ca walk up walls and grapplehook skyscarpers but a simple lock breaks my awesome buttons? no thanks.

The logic behind this is very flawed, if we go that way, and add games to every fuck simple thing there is, I have to type in my dialogue choices in RPGs as well otherwise dialogues will feel to automatic and with little input from me, you may give me a choice of extra keywords to use in my text the higher my int level is.

 

[deuxhero]

The only proper places for minigames in an RPG is gambling.

Other genres have SLIGHTLY more room, but they should still never be related to core mechanics.

People had no idea that you could do special character searches in the "garbage" characters to remove duds/replenish guesses.

Wait what?

I downloaded a mod that effectively lets me skip the minigame for the second playthrough on, but I am still curious.

 

[OSK]

rip in peace Thief.

Rest in peace in peace?

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[Multi-headed Cow]

I'm trying to keep an open mind since I thought DXHR looked completely awful until I tried the leaked alpha or beta or whatever it was. And then the final game was mostly decent. Mostly. If you squinted enough.

 

[Xavier0889]

This hammerite is unimpressed. Thi4f Creed will fail.