Torment Torment: Tides of Numenera Thread

[Infinitron]

Well, inXile apparently had a huge day one patch today and everyone's save files from playing on release are now incompatible.

Good work. Top notch.

Holy Hell. Anyone can confirm this?

FAKE NEWS. I don't see anybody talking about this anywhere.

 

[Bleed the Man]

Probably only 10-20% of the world's population is "white", whatever that means. Sure, you say, there are 800 million Europeans, but a Spanish person probably wouldn't qualify as white unless you were told they were Spanish beforehand.

We're pretty damn white, dude.

 

[Luckmann]

Well, inXile apparently had a huge day one patch today and everyone's save files from playing on release are now incompatible.

Good work. Top notch.

Holy Hell. Anyone can confirm this?

FAKE NEWS. I don't see anybody talking about this anywhere.

He's probably talking about the release version that fucked with some reviewers. There was no "day 1 patch", just development up until release.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Backer NPCs. What did you think they were?

Really? Well, that explains it somewhat, I guess.
But how did you know, except for their particular shittiness that is?

 

[Prime Junta]

But how did you know, except for their particular shittiness that is?

The smell of that particular flavour of shit is unmistakable. Keep your nostrils flared, you'll recognise it easily enough.

 

[FeelTheRads]

But how did you know, except for their particular shittiness that is?

The smell of that particular flavour of shit is unmistakable. Keep your nostrils flared, you'll recognise it easily enough.

I don't know, man. All of W2 had this flavour (possibly because of all the turd collecting, though) so maybe it's not all on the backers.

 

[Excidium II]

Alright so, just as started a new game, it tells me that I have brown skin. Should I uninstall right away? How heavy is the SJW bullshit?

If you really have a problem with that, paint your skin brown.

It ranges from subtle to awful. Much like Tyranny, there's a ridiculously over-emphasis on strong womyn in positions of authoritay, and as a change of pace the token negro is also the token homo.

Gay black people are a nice change of pace. By the way, here is a shocking fact: 50% of the world's population is female.

which will no doubt end up with a shitstorm of "But we're just like you, look, no white people in this game!".

Probably only 10-20% of the world's population is "white", whatever that means. Sure, you say, there are 800 million Europeans, but a Spanish person probably wouldn't qualify as white unless you were told they were Spanish beforehand.

l1beral detected

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Alright so, just as started a new game, it tells me that I have brown skin. Should I uninstall right away? How heavy is the SJW bullshit?

If you really have a problem with that, paint your skin brown.

It ranges from subtle to awful. Much like Tyranny, there's a ridiculously over-emphasis on strong womyn in positions of authoritay, and as a change of pace the token negro is also the token homo.

Gay black people are a nice change of pace. By the way, here is a shocking fact: 50% of the world's population is female.

which will no doubt end up with a shitstorm of "But we're just like you, look, no white people in this game!".

Probably only 10-20% of the world's population is "white", whatever that means. Sure, you say, there are 800 million Europeans, but a Spanish person probably wouldn't qualify as white unless you were told they were Spanish beforehand.

l1beral detected

Slowpoke detected.

 

[Sentinel]

what did you expect when one of the writers is someone who writes manuals on how to spank your partner during sex?

Citation needed.

The robots were fun.

The robots are great.

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/3013716.Shanna_Germain

bonus round:

 

[jaydee2k]

Probably only 10-20% of the world's population is "white", whatever that means. Sure, you say, there are 800 million Europeans, but a Spanish person probably wouldn't qualify as white unless you were told they were Spanish beforehand.

We're pretty damn white, dude.

Only germans are white you niggers

 

[vivec]

There are more problems in the game than I can keep a count of. However, at the ending, I felt the biggest problem is the game mechanics itself. The TIDES of Numenera have zero real consequence to the story beyond being an abstract device that only appears in the background, despite being the plot driver.

 

[ArchAngel]

Probably only 10-20% of the world's population is "white", whatever that means. Sure, you say, there are 800 million Europeans, but a Spanish person probably wouldn't qualify as white unless you were told they were Spanish beforehand.

We're pretty damn white, dude.

Only germans are white you niggers

Not anymore now that Kebabs and Arabs are there

 

[vivec]

Another issue that struck me was how easy the combat is. Despite being called a crisis the game treats the situation like a nuisance at best. There is never any real compromise towards how to use the efforts as the means to regenerate those points are amply present. THIS ONE THING could have saved the game for me if done right. The developers should have made the sources of effort quite rare and thus made the game more decisive.

Finally, there are some okay twists in the game storytelling. But, overall the game fails to deliver an experience equal to the setting. The wonders of scientific marvels from distant future of the ninth world all appear banal due to the mediocre imagination of the people involved in writing this game. Time travel, mind control, reality manipulation etc. end up taking a very boring part in the game (e.g. the probability engine quest). This was a major disappointment. The original Torment exploited its setting extremely very well. TTON failed here the hardest. Where it mattered the most.

 

[alkeides 2.0]

Speaking of purple prose:

Started decent enough in their description and then suddenly WOAH curving line carved in oak and radiant lantern of a starless night. WHAT. THE. FUCK. Dude, fuck off.
Why did these two random NPCs needed to have their smiles described in such detail and why the fuck should I care?
Random, not very interesting (even after finding out what they actually do) but with pretentious descriptions NPCs. Why?
Their smiles are completely irrelevant to their story, and to their characterization so why should I care about this high-school level of writing?

Backer NPCs. What did you think they were?

There was also a Codexer NPC in Valley of Dead Heroes. Talked about "Mask of Prosper" IIRC.

Honestly I find the criticisms of the writing here all over the place. Some people claim they hate the "encyclopedic" writing, some people hate that they start throwing numenera setting specific terms at you right from the start without explanation. It's hard to please all of you.

On my part I will say that all the background lore made me find the setting memorable and interesting, something PoE and Tyranny failed to do. I never followed the whole developmental cycle or read the Numenera p&p books, but the game makes me want to find out more, just as playing PST made me want to find out more about Planescape.

I don't know, it depends on how you read I guess. I agree that the screenshot above is just purple prose, but I read/skim very quickly and don't really spend a lot of time on passages like that.

 

[imweasel]

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/3013716.Shanna_Germain

 

[vivec]

Speaking of purple prose:

Started decent enough in their description and then suddenly WOAH curving line carved in oak and radiant lantern of a starless night. WHAT. THE. FUCK. Dude, fuck off.
Why did these two random NPCs needed to have their smiles described in such detail and why the fuck should I care?
Random, not very interesting (even after finding out what they actually do) but with pretentious descriptions NPCs. Why?
Their smiles are completely irrelevant to their story, and to their characterization so why should I care about this high-school level of writing?

Backer NPCs. What did you think they were?

There was also a Codexer NPC in Valley of Dead Heroes. Talked about "Mask of Prosper" IIRC.

Honestly I find the criticisms of the writing here all over the place. Some people claim they hate the "encyclopedic" writing, some people hate that they start throwing numenera setting specific terms at you right from the start without explanation. It's hard to please all of you.

On my part I will say that all the background lore made me find the setting memorable and interesting, something PoE and Tyranny failed to do. I never followed the whole developmental cycle or read the Numenera p&p books, but the game makes me want to find out more, just as playing PST made me want to find out more about Planescape.

I don't know, it depends on how you read I guess. I agree that the screenshot above is just purple prose, but I read/skim very quickly and don't really spend a lot of time on passages like that.

I would definitely criticize the writing for being grandiose. However, the more pressing concern is the lack of engaging storytelling. Most of the quests come off as means of getting XP and that is all. That is the real problem.

 

[Darth Roxor]

Honestly I find the criticisms of the writing here all over the place. Some people claim they hate the "encyclopedic" writing, some people hate that they start throwing numenera setting specific terms at you right from the start without explanation. It's hard to please all of you.

On my part I will say that all the background lore made me find the setting memorable and interesting, something PoE and Tyranny failed to do.

A lot of that is because there is actually very little Deep Lore (tm) in the nu-Obsidian sense in Tworment, or at least it is so from what I've seen in the EA in Sagus. The quality of it is debatable (I'd say it's mostly shit because everything boils down to IT WAS CASTOFFS), but iirc almost all of it is more or less to the point or related to your immediate (or future) surroundings - Sagus history & society, the Bloom, etc, which is definitely a good few notches above the aforementioned competition.

 

[Sòren]

Honestly I find the criticisms of the writing here all over the place. Some people claim they hate the "encyclopedic" writing, some people hate that they start throwing numenera setting specific terms at you right from the start without explanation. It's hard to please all of you.

On my part I will say that all the background lore made me find the setting memorable and interesting, something PoE and Tyranny failed to do. I never followed the whole developmental cycle or read the Numenera p&p books, but the game makes me want to find out more, just as playing PST made me want to find out more about Planescape.

yeah all the background lore seems to be the only interesting thing about this game - if one cares about that. don't know if it has any other remarkable qualities, but considering that the dialogues, the NPCs and the story are pretty underwhelming (judging by the impressions here, even of people who like it) - well, that's hardly a good sign for such a text heavy game.

 

[Iznaliu]

We're pretty damn white, dude.

You sound like you have something to prove

 

[veevoir]

https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/3013716.Shanna_Germain

Seems like a quality read, I don't get your point.

Spoiler

 

[Tacgnol]

This is why we can't have good writing.

 

[FeelTheRads]

On my part I will say that all the background lore made me find the setting memorable and interesting, something PoE and Tyranny failed to do. I never followed the whole developmental cycle or read the Numenera p&p books, but the game makes me want to find out more, just as playing PST made me want to find out more about Planescape.

Yeah, but you know, even though PST made me wish it had more exploration, the rest was of so high quality that it made up for it.
In this, I wish they just dropped the pretense of making an epic personal story and instead focus on exploration. Perhaps even hire Styg do to it for them.

 

[Prime Junta]

Seems like a quality read, I don't get your point.

I read that one title as "Greek love." Is bad?

 

[Tacgnol]

Seems like a quality read, I don't get your point.

I read that one title as "Greek love." Is bad?

Ancient Greeks are probably too shitlord for SJW romance writers. Which is surprising considering how degenerate the Greeks were.

 

[veevoir]

Seems like a quality read, I don't get your point.

I read that one title as "Greek love." Is bad?

Would be even more consistent with remaining titles, so no.