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Tyrr

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Popularity aside, I'm not even convinced that Star Wars is a good setting for a Total War game.
In Star Wars, ground combat isn't that exiting, its all about fleet combat in space. In WH40K its the opposite. That could also explain why the development of the Star Wars game is much behind the WH40k one.
CA gave up on fleet combat long ago, they lost all the know-how and have to start from scratch.
 

BrotherFrank

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Working on a star wars, 40k and ww1 game at the same time seems too much for CA, ffs weren't these the guys that couldn't even devote more then a skeleton crew to tw3, their main cash cow? And the whole studio got downsized recently?

Feels like trying to juggle too many things at once, i expect nothing except disappointment. Also predict they will all take place on single planets, would like to say no space combat but for SW at least feels they would make a token effort to include it somehow even if its basic af.

I fail to see how TW SW could be such a DLC treadmill. It has two factions, empire and rebels. If you do new shit SW it still has two factions just with less characters people like. If you do old republic star wars it has two factions. If you do prequel SW it has two factions. How much DLC can you sell with any of these time periods? Do they really think people will buy a whole DLC just to add Chewbacca to the game or something? At least with Warhammer and 40k you have dozens of different factions/races to churn out content for. Maybe if you really stretch the bounds of lore and logic you can include some extra factions like other SW games have but I still don't see how its anywhere near as good as TW with this.

I also dread to imagine how bad space combat will be, whether it comes in 40k or SW. The last time CA tried to do something new we got WH3 sieges.
Seeing recent TW trends, the answer lies in faction/lord packs.

I'd expect chewbacca and other star wars mains to be in the default game (making people pay extra to play luke skywalker and friends might work in f2p gacha titles but surely they wont have the balls to do it here, right?) but this still leaves no shortage of characters they can pluck from, whether it be from current disney shows or bringing back characters from the eu (mara jade), which would probably earn them enough nerd cred people will be sucked into getting it.

Groguu+ mandalorian dlc! Play as legendary leader mando with exclusive mandalorian units as he takes charge of the mando rebel faction! Mando units are heavy ranged infantry with jumpack ability giving them a movement speed bonus for 30 secs!
Ahsokha dlc! Ahsoka joins the rebellion leading the knights of ahsoka , complete with exclusive ahsoka rebels, ranged light infantry with a bonus against other ranged infantry.

If they throw in clone wars stuff they are set for life, there's like 99999 clone legions with their own colors and quirks like 40k sm chapters, along with their jedi generals. That's a lot of potential milking from SW nerds if they can sink their hooks into those.
 
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The main problem with a Star Wars Total War is that there are only two factions. Troy already showed us it's not the best idea. They can come up with "LLs" from the Star Wars IP for forever, even just from the movies, so that's not an issue. Are there enough troop types to justify constant DLC milking, though? They can't just release "LLs" that start in a different part of the map, you'll have different starting locations from the very beginning when someone unlocks the minor factions to play as. From the popular mainstream franchises outside of WH40k, Forgotten Realms and A Song of Ice and Fire are the best candidates to turn into DLC-milking machines because there are enough factions for a free-for-all. Lord of the Rings also has the problem of being a good vs evil thing.
 

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Yeah from unit design standpoint it's one of the worst scifi settings you could pick. We mostly just see two different kinds of droids and stormtroopers in all the films. They have to start scraping the barrel instantly with tusken raiders, wookies and mandalorians if they want to go further than reskinning the same shit with different weapons.
 

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Gungan army vs trade federation fight from the first episode is already pretty much a textbook total war battle.
What will even be Total War Star Wars be? How many factions with full-fledged army do we even have in Star Wars? We have several decent RTS I guess, but like what will the DLC be? Wookies armies?
It is a magnificent dlc milk potential with a million-strong army of retarded fans who casually buy jabba and wookie dildos
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This pic reminded me of Galactic Battlegrounds that had gungans, wookies and naboo royal guard as a playable factions. Following the footsteps of that game seems like the most reasonable way to go if they want variety of factions.
 

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The main problem with a Star Wars Total War is that there are only two factions.
It is trivial to increase the amount of factions, IF you follow the old Expanded Universe instead of Disney canon. The New Republic isn't that big early on, and the Empire fractures into numerous warlord states*. And the Hutts are always looming in the Galactic East, and the Corporate Sector in the far Northeast beyond the Sith worlds.

*granted, these mostly use the same troops and tech, but there are some differences here and there.

Now, if someone got creative with it, these are fine conditions for other factions to grow big. In this setting with a lack of central authority, you could get the Mandalorians on a crusading phase again, the Hapes Consortium acquiring new protectorates, the Bothans setting up their own republican government away from the Core, the Sith returning and taking over one of the Imperial Remnants and giving it their unique twist, hell, even some of the old Separatist planets banding up together again.

Instead, we got Rey and Finn and Poe and Ren and Hux and Snoke.
 
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There's a lot of stuff in the old EU, but it's not canon and it probably has to be approved by Disney if CA are to use it.
 

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There's a lot of stuff in the old EU, but it's not canon and it probably has to be approved by Disney if CA are to use it.
Probably. Tho let's take a look at how they handled Warhammer. It's definitely not following the AoS shitshow, but it also seems to have diverged from the pre-End Times setup at some point. Lots of people doing weird things in even weirder places, Vlad back up and running, etc. The logical thing for them is to follow the same route with Star Wars. But, of course, Disney might be... problematic.
 

Elttharion

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There are/were 6 games in development at CA and Medieval 3 was not one of them... Maybe its a good thing considering how bad CA is nowadays.
 

Mitleser2020

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One and a half year development remaining (i.e. 3-4 DLCs left) and they want to waste a good part of that time on Cathay and Ogres? "It is exiting its middle phase" despite a third of the base game factions having only one LL?
Only the planned undead lords make sense.
 

Lacrymas

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I doubt Daemons of Chaos will get more than what they already have. It's a meme faction with a meme lord.
 

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You know what's funny? Ghost units still need ladders to go up walls.
To be completely honest, this mirrors the tabletop siege rules, as far as I can recall them. Fortress' walls were supposed to be "specifically enchanted to prevent incorporeal units from passing through" or something like that. I guess it'd otherwise make the incorporeal units a tad too powerful.
 

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You guys are right. It's a wonder they managed to get flying units to work in their engine.
Well, "work", since the disengage is still fucked.
 

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The main problem with a Star Wars Total War is that there are only two factions. Troy already showed us it's not the best idea. They can come up with "LLs" from the Star Wars IP for forever, even just from the movies, so that's not an issue. Are there enough troop types to justify constant DLC milking, though? They can't just release "LLs" that start in a different part of the map, you'll have different starting locations from the very beginning when someone unlocks the minor factions to play as. From the popular mainstream franchises outside of WH40k, Forgotten Realms and A Song of Ice and Fire are the best candidates to turn into DLC-milking machines because there are enough factions for a free-for-all. Lord of the Rings also has the problem of being a good vs evil thing.
I disagree, I think the main problem with star wars is that it is a piece of shit that has been milked to the maximum extent possible and nerds should let it die with the little remnants of dignity it still holds.
 

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Slaanesh gets shafted yet again and not in the way he likes it.
I guess xir daemons are what you would call "problematic" in this day and age. Evil genderfluid creatures of lust? Naaaaaah, can't have that association.
I heard that GW was planning to get rid of slaanesh in the 40k setting with the elf death god thing due to the concept not being marketable for children, but they backed out of it. Dunno if it was true, but especially given how End Times was handled I wouldn't put it past them.
 

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