Game News Tyranny Released

[Roguey]

It's not a small problem. It's very hypocritical to mock AAA reviewers for name-dropping games they don't play then have the same thing happening in our content.

There is absolutely nothing controversial in that sentence about AoD. It's an objective statement of facts.

If there are any reasons at all about the inaccuracy of his statement, feel free to argue them. Otherwise it's a pedantic argument over nothing.

 

[Fairfax]

Lambchop19 To make it perfectly clear, no, I don't consider myself a Codexian.

There are a number of people here I respect, and some of the conversations are really good, but the vast majority of you and what goes on here... no, I don't want to identify with that.

PrimeJunta: oh just fuck the whole codex

At last, the neutral-positive review

 

[Sentinel]

It's not a small problem. It's very hypocritical to mock AAA reviewers for name-dropping games they don't play then have the same thing happening in our content.

There is absolutely nothing controversial in that sentence about AoD. It's an objective statement of facts.

If there are any reasons at all about the inaccuracy of his statement, feel free to argue them. Otherwise it's a pedantic argument over nothing.

It's about the principle behind it and the precedent it sets, not about what the statement itself says.

 

[Roguey]

It's about the principle behind it and the precedent it sets, not about what the statement itself says.

You're not contradicting me.

 

[Excidium II]

You're right that it's pedantic, we are pedant assholes. But it's not over nothing.

 

[Sentinel]

It's about the principle behind it and the precedent it sets, not about what the statement itself says.

You're not contradicting me.

You're right, I'm correcting you.

 

[duanth123]

It's not a small problem. It's very hypocritical to mock AAA reviewers for name-dropping games they don't play then have the same thing happening in our content.

There is absolutely nothing controversial in that sentence about AoD. It's an objective statement of facts.

If there are any reasons at all about the inaccuracy of his statement, feel free to argue them. Otherwise it's a pedantic argument over nothing.

What's controversial is that this mutha fucka, writer of the Codex's official review, actually thinks Tyranny even begins to approach AoD by that metric; a comparison tenuous enough to be adequately explained by Amazon Prime's exercise of his subjective notion of AoD as a game with certain advertised features rather than any actual experience playing it.

Same with his gross characterization of each game's setting.

Just lazy stuff. And the fucking prima donna then storms off like we missed the second coming of that half cooked plate he called his PoE review.

 

[Roguey]

What's controversial is that this mutha fucka, writer of the Codex's official review, actually thinks Tyranny even begins to approach AoD by that metric; a comparison tenuous enough to be adequately explained by Amazon Prime's exercise of his subjective notion of AoD as a game with certain advertised features rather than any actual experience playing it.

Same with his gross characterization of each game's setting.

Just lazy stuff. And the fucking prima donna then storms off like we missed the second coming of that half cooked plate he called his PoE review.

It's not subjective. Either AoD has the features or it doesn't.

 

[oneself]

Argument on non-issues makes for the juiciest drama.

 

[duanth123]

What's controversial is that this mutha fucka, writer of the Codex's official review, actually thinks Tyranny even begins to approach AoD by that metric; a comparison tenuous enough to be adequately explained by Amazon Prime's exercise of his subjective notion of AoD as a game with certain advertised features rather than any actual experience playing it.

Same with his gross characterization of each game's setting.

Just lazy stuff. And the fucking prima donna then storms off like we missed the second coming of that half cooked plate he called his PoE review.

It's not subjective. Either AoD has the features or it doesn't.

Are you actually persisting in the view that the excerpted quote's intended function was to dryly state AoD's features, rather than positively assess Tranny based on some actual (rather than imagined or assumed) similarity to the breadth and quality of AoD's C&C?

And that our now collective embarrassment (and Bubbles' perturbations) as another painfully good for what it is review comes luging into our forums is over whether AoD has certain features in the abstract?

Rather than whether this lazy bitch is informing anyone by his words and comparisons?

 

[Roguey]

Are you actually persisting in the view that the excerpted quote was meant to dryly state AoD's features, rather than positively assess Tranny based on some actual (rather than imagined or assumed) similarity to the breadth and quality of AoD's C&C?

"I would dearly love to see more games give the kind of attention to world-building, story branching, choice, and consequence that has gone into Tyranny." *NAMES A GAME THAT ALSO DOES THAT SO HE DOESN'T COME ACROSS LIKE HE'S SNUBBING AOD (even though he did by not trying it out, heh)*

Autists: "Hold on, you didn't play it, how do you know it pays attention to world building, story branching, and choice and consequence? Maybe everyone has ever talked about it is is a liar, maybe those let's plays are an illusion."

 

[Fairfax]

Roguey with the all caps. Shit's getting serious.

 

[duanth123]

Are you actually persisting in the view that the excerpted quote was meant to dryly state AoD's features, rather than positively assess Tranny based on some actual (rather than imagined or assumed) similarity to the breadth and quality of AoD's C&C?

"I would dearly love to see more games give the kind of attention to world-building, story branching, choice, and consequence that has gone into Tyranny." *NAMES A GAME THAT ALSO DOES THAT SO HE DOESN'T COME ACROSS LIKE HE'S SNUBBING AOD (even though he did by not trying it out, heh)*

Autists: "Hold on, you didn't play it, how do you know it pays attention to world building, story branching, and choice and consequence? Maybe everyone has ever talked about it is is a liar, maybe those let's plays are an illusion."

Hold on, you didn't play it, how do you know it pays attention to world building, story branching, and choice and consequence?

Was this supposed to be a retort?

How does he know? Because it was advertised? And to such an extent that he can assuredly then compare the two? ON a website devoted to actual criticism of CRPGS? And only those two, within the quote and by the aforementioned metrics? As if they are necessarily comparable by sole virtue of features that are advertised?

Is this what happens when you don't actually play games, Roguey? You can just say shit?

Would you be willing to replace Amazon Prime 2 Day Delivery now that even Infinitron can't mollify his inflamed undeserved sense of importance? You seem qualified.

 

[Sentinel]

Are you actually persisting in the view that the excerpted quote was meant to dryly state AoD's features, rather than positively assess Tranny based on some actual (rather than imagined or assumed) similarity to the breadth and quality of AoD's C&C?

"I would dearly love to see more games give the kind of attention to world-building, story branching, choice, and consequence that has gone into Tyranny." *NAMES A GAME THAT ALSO DOES THAT SO HE DOESN'T COME ACROSS LIKE HE'S SNUBBING AOD (even though he did by not trying it out, heh)*

Autists: "Hold on, you didn't play it, how do you know it pays attention to world building, story branching, and choice and consequence? Maybe everyone has ever talked about it is is a liar, maybe those let's plays are an illusion."

If it's his review and his opinion of Tyranny, why is he comparing his opinion of Tyranny to the hivemind's opinion of AoD? It's fucking stupid.

 

[Roguey]

Was this supposed to be a retort?

How does he know? Because it was advertised? And to such an extent that he can assuredly then compare the two? And only those two, within the quote and by the aforementioned metrics? As if they are necessarily comparable by sole virtue of features that are advertised?

Is this what happens when you don't actually play games, Roguey?

Would you be willing to replace Amazon Prime 2 Day Delivery now that even Infinitron can't mollify his inflamed undeserved sense of importance? You seem qualified.

All you have to do to verify the statement is play the Age of Decadence demo for 5-10 minutes, then create a new character and play for another 5-10 minutes. Which I've done.

I'm going to write an article mentioning that the Eiffel Tower is in Paris.

"WAIT HOW DO YOU KNOW THE EIFFEL TOWER IS IN PARIS YOU'VE NEVER BEEN"

An editor should only be concerned with accuracy, not removing factually true statements because the author doesn't have firsthand knowledge of the subject matter.

If it's his review and his opinion of Tyranny, why is he comparing his opinion of Tyranny to the hivemind's opinion of AoD? It's fucking stupid.

He's not comparing them. He's saying Tyranny has a certain set of features, and mentions that he's aware Age of Decadence also has these features.

 

[RK47]

 

[Sentinel]

Was this supposed to be a retort?

How does he know? Because it was advertised? And to such an extent that he can assuredly then compare the two? And only those two, within the quote and by the aforementioned metrics? As if they are necessarily comparable by sole virtue of features that are advertised?

Is this what happens when you don't actually play games, Roguey?

Would you be willing to replace Amazon Prime 2 Day Delivery now that even Infinitron can't mollify his inflamed undeserved sense of importance? You seem qualified.

All you have to do to verify the statement is play the Age of Decadence demo for 5-10 minutes, then create a new character and play for another 5-10 minutes. Which I've done.

I'm going to write an article mentioning that the Eiffel Tower is in Paris.

"WAIT HOW DO YOU KNOW THE EIFFEL TOWER IS IN PARIS YOU'VE NEVER BEEN"

An editor should only be concerned with accuracy, not removing factually true statements because the author doesn't have firsthand knowledge of the subject matter.

If it's his review and his opinion of Tyranny, why is he comparing his opinion of Tyranny to the hivemind's opinion of AoD? It's fucking stupid.

He's not comparing them. He's saying Tyranny has a certain set of features, and mentions that he's aware Age of Decadence also has these features.

Quote in question:

"I would dearly love to see more games give the kind of attention to world-building, story branching, choice, and consequence that has gone into Tyranny. Other than Age of Decadence, coincidentally also set in a grim pre-Medieval world, this hasn’t been done in this scale in recent years."

"Attention" kind of indicates that he's praising Tyranny for those features that he then enumerates. He goes on to say that Age of Decadence did the same (it gave attention to world-building, story branching, and choice and consequence). He didn't say AoD had those features (world building isn't even a feature), he praised them in AoD by saying it was the only other game that did it as well as Tyranny.
But he hasn't played the game, so how would he know?

 

[duanth123]

An editor should only be concerned with accuracy, not removing factually true statements because the author doesn't have firsthand knowledge of the subject matter.

The factually questionable statement at issue, and what must be judged for accuracy, is, again, whether the two games mentioned are meaningfully comparable by the metrics described. You can deny this all you want, but it's the clear import of the excerpted quote. A quote from of a review. I.E., that thing which rates the merits of a product (sometimes by comparing it to other products!?!!); in this case, of a vidya game.

Mass Effect advertised C&C. To acknowledge that Bioware once advertised it as such would be the equivalent of your "Eiffel Tower in France" reference.

But if Prima Donna then shit out some positive comparisons to Mass Effect's actual implemented world-building, reactivity, romantic press a button anal sex, in the same sentence as he described similar, actual features of Tyranny, you might ask yourself: is the comparison true? Is it accurate? And is it comparable on more than the superficial, grossly received level possessed by a consumer who was sold to (and maybe heard because he's hung out on a forum he secretly loathes), but never purchased and experienced?

You would do this.

And yet you can't do this, either because you have played neither Tyranny nor AoD and so find yourself bedfellows with the dearly departed.

Or because you're Roguey and will only rarely admit error once unforced.

 

[Roguey]

Quote in question:

"Attention" kind of indicates that he's praising Tyranny for those features that he then enumerates. He goes on to say that Age of Decadence did the same (it gave attention to world-building, story branching, and choice and consequence). He didn't say AoD had those features (world building isn't even a feature), he praised them in AoD by saying it was the only other game that did it as well as Tyranny.
But he hasn't played the game, so how would he know?

World building is definitely a feature. There are games with no world building.

Attention also doesn't necessarily mean "done well." It means effort was expended.

 

[Sentinel]

Quote in question:

"Attention" kind of indicates that he's praising Tyranny for those features that he then enumerates. He goes on to say that Age of Decadence did the same (it gave attention to world-building, story branching, and choice and consequence). He didn't say AoD had those features (world building isn't even a feature), he praised them in AoD by saying it was the only other game that did it as well as Tyranny.
But he hasn't played the game, so how would he know?

World building is definitely a feature. There are games with no world building.

Attention also doesn't necessarily mean "done well." It means effort was expended.

And how can he make that assessment over a game he hasn't played?

 

[Roguey]

And how can he make that assessment over a game he hasn't played?

You only need to play a game to judge its gameplay, not necessarily other elements.

Would you say you can't judge a game's graphics without playing it? That would be absurd.

 

[Sentinel]

And how can he make that assessment over a game he hasn't played?

You only need to play a game to judge its gameplay, not necessarily other elements.

Would you say you can't judge a game's graphics without playing it? That would be absurd.

No because graphics require purely the visual element.
You can't say the same about world building, choice and consequence and story branching, can you?
You actually need to play the game to experience them.

 

[felipepepe]

To the common user, anybody with front page posting privileges is typically regarded as a staff member.

If you have access to secret forums you are staff member.

There's multiple layers of access. Contributors have access to a "content" forum; the staff has another, more secret one; and the Shadow Masters that really run the show have another.

 

[Lhynn]

PrimeJunta: (1) tyranny was not a particularly enjoyable game

Great review, accurate, brief and hands down PJs best work. When is it getting published?

 

[Jick Magger]