World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[Rieser]

Just when you thought this thread couldn't contain more decline, people start talking about Dragon Age 2.

 

[Dycedarg]

Sheryl Chee, who co-wrote Dragon Age II, loves Bloodlines. These are women who play games for characters and character moments.

From this we can narrow down exactly the kind of writer every gaming company should avoid like the plague: women.

 

[Harthwain]

Sheryl Chee, who co-wrote Dragon Age II, loves Bloodlines. These are women who play games for characters and character moments.

From this we can narrow down exactly the kind of writer every game gaming company should avoid like the plague: women.

We had this sort of discussion already: Here

It's interesting, but I can't even name a single influential female developer. I'm sure there has got to be some out there. I just can't think of any who's game or design contribution influenced the rest of gaming in a positive way.
If it turns out that I can't think of any, because there aren't any.

Roberta Williams? Amy Hennig?

 

[Nano]

From this we can narrow down exactly the kind of writer every gaming company should avoid like the plague: women.

Isabela's an attractive big tiddy slut. With long hair and everything. Where's the decline here?

 

[Justicar]

This game is dead get over it niggers.

 

[copebot]

Sheryl Chee, who co-wrote Dragon Age II, loves Bloodlines. These are women who play games for characters and character moments.

From this we can narrow down exactly the kind of writer every game gaming company should avoid like the plague: women.

We had this sort of discussion already: Here

It's interesting, but I can't even name a single influential female developer. I'm sure there has got to be some out there. I just can't think of any who's game or design contribution influenced the rest of gaming in a positive way.
If it turns out that I can't think of any, because there aren't any.

Roberta Williams? Amy Hennig?

The existence of a couple of exceptionally based women out of many hundreds just proves the general principle. He forgot to mention Terri Brosius also.

 

[Harthwain]

The existence of a couple of exceptionally based women out of many hundreds just proves the general principle.

I think it proves the statistic is at work here: you can find a lot more mediocre than skilled people in any field, because geniuses are generally rarer than idiots.

 

[Dycedarg]

Isabela's an attractive big tiddy slut. With long hair and everything. Where's the decline here?

All over Dragon Age 2.

We had this sort of discussion already: Here

It's interesting, but I can't even name a single influential female developer. I'm sure there has got to be some out there. I just can't think of any who's game or design contribution influenced the rest of gaming in a positive way.
If it turns out that I can't think of any, because there aren't any.

Roberta Williams? Amy Hennig?

Even if we acknowledge the few exceptions, the signal to noise ratio is still pretty low. And given what we've seen on games like Dumpsterfire and this one, the presence of multiple women narrative designers should be a major red flag, and that's being charitable. Finally, I woud never compare Amy Hennig to the vapid dangerhairs we've seen in this thread. She's obviously a very competent developer, otherwise she wouldn't have been able to create a series as successful as Uncharted. But are we going to pretend she had a POSITIVE influence in the gaming industry? Like, seriously?

 

[Lovely Feather Pillow]

There we go

I really hope nerd culture goes out of fashion soon so liberal white women find some other industry to ruin

 

[Lambach]

It's only gonna get worse, bruh. Much, much worse.

 

[Delterius]

the future is now, old man

 

[Roguey]

From this we can narrow down exactly the kind of writer every gaming company should avoid like the plague: women.

Too bad, the trend is that western RPGs are now largely written by women.

Isabela's an attractive big tiddy slut. With long hair and everything. Where's the decline here?

STDs.

 

[Nano]

STDs.

Hey, he said he cured her. And it's from before the romance starts.

 

[True Ukrainian]

The entire narrative team getting the chop shouldn't come as a surprise anyway. They were all hired for Bloodlines 2 and now that the game is out of Hardsuit's hands, this is the natural outcome. Its not an indication of how bad or good they were at writing.

The real test is whether the new dev invites members of the old narrative team on board.

 

[Delterius]

The new dev is gonna be a non-company from Latvia and the game is now gonna be set in world of darkness: krakow. The darkness comes from all the coal smog.

 

[Harthwain]

Even if we acknowledge the few exceptions, the signal to noise ratio is still pretty low.

What's the ratio?

And given what we've seen on games like Dumpsterfire and this one, the presence of multiple women narrative designers should be a major red flag, and that's being charitable.

That sounds like a problem with the management, if studio goes through their narrative designers like this, but I thought we have already established that Hardsuit Labs was bad at managing the project (the game, the staff, etc.)?

Finally, I woud never compare Amy Hennig to the vapid dangerhairs we've seen in this thread. She's obviously a very competent developer, otherwise she wouldn't have been able to create a series as successful as Uncharted. But are we going to pretend she had a POSITIVE influence in the gaming industry? Like, seriously?

Who's saying that? It's you who made a general statement that "every game gaming company should avoid like the plague: women" when it comes to position of a writer. I pointed out to a discussion where others already mentioned good female writers. Therefore I conclude the problem isn't in women being hired as writers. The problem is in what kind of women are being hired as writers. I could even go further than that: the problem is what kind of people are being hired to do any job in the industry as a whole. Bad people: bad results.

 

[karoliner]

Isabela's an attractive big tiddy slut. With long hair and everything. Where's the decline here?

She is a slut.

 

[vortex]

The darkness comes from all the coal smog.

You still hooked on ecocide urban tendencies in world of darkness. Stop it. It's a bad deal.

 

[Lord_Potato]

Isabela's an attractive big tiddy slut. With long hair and everything. Where's the decline here?

She is a slut.

Don't slut-shame Isabela!

 

[Lovely Feather Pillow]

The entire narrative team getting the chop shouldn't come as a surprise anyway. They were all hired for Bloodlines 2 and now that the game is out of Hardsuit's hands, this is the natural outcome. Its not an indication of how bad or good they were at writing.

The real test is whether the new dev invites members of the old narrative team on board.

Yeah it's no surprise they got the axe and there's no way of knowing if any of them were good or not. It's more looking at their Twitter profiles and seeing that they all share the same ideology. It's safe to assume the danger hair brain rot would seep into the narrative and Bloodlines 2 already had a reputation for being obnoxiously woke.

Maybe Josh Sawyer can hire the good ones to help him make his new game more interesting than Pillars.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

I am seriously fed up with this trick that keeps happening where oldschool devs like Mitsoda and Avellone are used mostly for PR purposes but the bulk of the writing is done by 20 year old Commiefornians.

 

[Storyfag]

The new dev is gonna be a non-company from Latvia and the game is now gonna be set in world of darkness: krakow. The darkness comes from all the coal smog.

Did you know there is a vhozd under the Royal Castle?

 

[Duraframe300]

But are we going to pretend she had a POSITIVE influence in the gaming industry? Like, seriously?

The games she directed in the Legacy of Kain series definitely were great games and had a positive impact.

We can argue about Uncharted (Where I'd argue that the games themselves fit an Indiana Jones narrative, but the influence itself on other games was bad)

 

[True Ukrainian]

I am seriously fed up with this trick that keeps happening where oldschool devs like Mitsoda and Avellone are used mostly for PR purposes but the bulk of the writing is done by 20 year old Commifornians.

Avellone was sacked when he sort of admitted to molesting a woman right? And all his work on Bloodlines 2 was scrapped as well from what I vaguely remember. The new writers would have been brought in to fill the resulting gaps.

 

[Lambach]

I am seriously fed up with this trick that keeps happening where oldschool devs like Mitsoda and Avellone are used mostly for PR purposes but the bulk of the writing is done by 20 year old Commifornians.

The "oldschool devs" are just as consumed by the [C U R R E N T Y E A R] zeitgeist as the woke Californian college freshmen freshpersxons, so I'm not sure why you think there would be a difference between the two in terms of quality of their writing.

It's pretty much only George Ziets who hasn't had the chance to publicly display his complete downfall as of yet, but it's probably coming.