World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 - VTMB sequel from The Chinese Room - coming early 2025

[RaggleFraggle]

Oh no, I definitely feel schadenfreude that this game I had awful experiences with the past is now being driven into the ground and alienating all but the most toxically positive fans.

sounds like shellshock have you considered therapy

Sounds like Stockholm syndrome. Have you considered giving up on this IP?

 

[Delterius]

Oh no, I definitely feel schadenfreude that this game I had awful experiences with the past is now being driven into the ground and alienating all but the most toxically positive fans.

sounds like shellshock have you considered therapy

Sounds like Stockholm syndrome. Have you considered giving up on this IP?

not really, i like bloodlines

 

[Tyranicon]

I've never been more interested in industry drama than whatever the hell happened between Hardsuit and Paradox.

 

[Delterius]

someone needs to find brian and get him drunk enough so he removes his gloves. thats when he'll answer all our queries

 

[RaggleFraggle]

I've never been more interested in industry drama than whatever the hell happened between Hardsuit and Paradox.

I still remember the CCP drama.

 

[Storyfag]

Self-styled Lorefags are everywhere and they will rip you a new asshole over the most asinine trivia.

Hello there.

 

[Spacer's Nugget]

someone needs to find brian and get him drunk enough so he removes his gloves. thats when he'll answer all our queries

You'd have a better time with Ka'ai Cluney. That guy loves to booze. He made sure to mention it in every interview, all his Twitter jokes were liquor-related, and so on.

I just found out he's now a Creative Director at Ubisoft Stockholm. Failing upwards I see... right, Martin? Here's to you:

 

[Delterius]

You'd have a better time with Ka'ai Cluney. That guy loves to booze. He made sure to mention it in every interview, all his Twitter jokes were liquor-related, and so on.

Martin 'the social drinker' Cluney am I right

no seriously i hope he's ok

 

[leino]

Bunch of videos from the old build resurfaced. Game had a ghost level like Ocean House.

Sorry if I missed it somewhere in the subsequent pages but were these videos reuploaded anywhere, they seem to be private now

 

[Roguey]

Looks like Paradox sent a C&D.

 

[leino]

n-not desperate for crumbs or anything but I sure hope someone saved them.......... . .

 

[Fedora Master]

We've hit that point in the thread where conversations repeat again https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/vampire-the-masquerade-–-bloodlines-2-vtmb-sequel-from-paradox-interactive-returning-in-september.126124/post-7554651

More reason why it should be closed but you idiots would rather let it fester.

 

[J1M]

Will be interesting to see how they walk back the thin blood and clan choice hooks that were so prominent in the initial marketing.

Losing the main character's thin blood- lineage would be incline. Otherwise ok, but it was almost certain that the angle would've been used as an important social justice- theme throughout the game.

While thinbloods are dumb, the setup was great for gameplay reasons. It justified multiple vampire blood hunts and provided a way for the player to interact with and learn about the clans before being required to pick one.

 

[Roguey]

We've hit that point in the thread where conversations repeat again https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/vampire-the-masquerade-–-bloodlines-2-vtmb-sequel-from-paradox-interactive-returning-in-september.126124/post-7554651

More reason why it should be closed but you idiots would rather let it fester.

There was news literally days ago.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

Will be interesting to see how they walk back the thin blood and clan choice hooks that were so prominent in the initial marketing.

Losing the main character's thin blood- lineage would be incline. Otherwise ok, but it was almost certain that the angle would've been used as an important social justice- theme throughout the game.

While thinbloods are dumb, the setup was great for gameplay reasons. It justified multiple vampire blood hunts and provided a a way for the player to interact with and learn about the clans before being required to pick one.

You’re in luck, because MoonFall is gonna do something like that.

 

[S.H.O.D.A.N.]

While thinbloods are dumb, the setup was great for gameplay reasons. It justified multiple vampire blood hunts and provided a a way for the player to interact with and learn about the clans before being required to pick one.

Is that a positive? That kind of general store approach to an element that should be the foundation of a number of unique narratives within the game reeks of taking the easy way out - why bother building a world where a Toreador's story plays out differently than a Nosferatu's would, when you can build a static one with a nondescript protagonist and a couple cosmetic variables.

It's the CP2077 shitty background choices, except somehow worse.

 

[Tyranicon]

Will be interesting to see how they walk back the thin blood and clan choice hooks that were so prominent in the initial marketing.

Losing the main character's thin blood- lineage would be incline. Otherwise ok, but it was almost certain that the angle would've been used as an important social justice- theme throughout the game.

While thinbloods are dumb, the setup was great for gameplay reasons. It justified multiple vampire blood hunts and provided a a way for the player to interact with and learn about the clans before being required to pick one.

You’re in luck, because MoonFall is gonna do something like that.

Well my game has the advantage in that you start off as a familiar and will have time to "choose" before you turn into a vampire. Or become a warrior-priest type slayer. Or become a full-borg Adam Smasher wannabe. Or just stay a regular human.

One of the few benefits of doing wildly ambitious solodev is that I have none of the restraints or limitations of traditional studio-style dev.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

While thinbloods are dumb, the setup was great for gameplay reasons. It justified multiple vampire blood hunts and provided a a way for the player to interact with and learn about the clans before being required to pick one.

Is that a positive? That kind of general store approach to an element that should be the foundation of a number of unique narratives within the game reeks of taking the easy way out - why bother building a world where a Toreador's story plays out differently than a Nosferatu's would, when you can build a static one with a nondescript protagonist and a couple cosmetic variables.

It's the CP2077 shitty background choices, except somehow worse.

It’s adding more expenses to the budget. Modern games already blow their budgets on graphics, but you really expect them to afford content that players will only see by replaying multiple times?

The AAA crash cannot come soon enough. This shit is terrible for us customers.

 

[Fedora Master]

We've hit that point in the thread where conversations repeat again https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/vampire-the-masquerade-–-bloodlines-2-vtmb-sequel-from-paradox-interactive-returning-in-september.126124/post-7554651

More reason why it should be closed but you idiots would rather let it fester.

There was news literally days ago.

Unless they release an official launch date, this game remains vaporware.

 

[Delterius]

why bother building a world where a Toreador's story plays out differently than a Nosferatu's would

The answer to that question is ultimately up to wether the studio wants to or has the chops/budget to do it.

Consider that Bloodlines has functionally the same story regardless of your clan. You only get to approach it from a different angle. Which generally means being praised by LaCroix, or getting the Tremere Chantry, or walking the sewers as a Nosferatu, or hallucinating the script as a Malkavian. This is not a knock down on Bloodlines itself, that change of perspective is important and does factor into the player's experience - and their final choice. It is similar to how DA:O did things. The brunt of the reactivity is your choice of background. Everything else is a matter of flavor or perspective, which can change how the player approaches NPCs and their choices throught.

In ideal conditions the fact that you'd start clan-less and then would make the choice to join of the city's factions would actually be added incentive to make the story change from that point onwards. Not radically, but to at least make that perspective shift as powerful as it can be. It is quite different from Cyberpunk's background nonsense, because those lasted, what, 10 minutes? Whereas this could have been as far as the midpoint of the game. Or at least far enough where you've met the city's primogen, faction leaders, and so on. Choosing to become Tremere then would be a big deal.

In less than ideal conditions then the choice wouldn't have mattered, the brunt of your character - even mechanically - would have been defined by the thinblood experience, and you'd do the same errands regardless until the end. No matter who you (most likely) diablerized.

TL;DR this didn't mean anything by itself. If the studio was good and the project was well lead, then the experience would have been satisfying. Odds are Hardsuit was neither, though.

 

[J1M]

i'm sure its a coincidence that you individually feel like you don't want to play a bloodlines sequel and need to post about it on the bloodlines sequel thread

Oh no, I definitely feel schadenfreude that this IP whose fandumb I had awful experiences with the past is now being driven into the ground and alienating all but the most toxically positive fans.

But as much as I delight in imagining those bullies suffering perpetual fits of apoplexy that they brought on themselves (which isn’t much, I do have other interests in multiple old dead IPs nobody else has heard of), there still aren’t any new fun urban fantasy crpgs. I’m still waiting on AI advancing to the point where I can make a decent looking game in my free time on my skillset unrelated to game design.

Maybe you are too European to sense this, but constantly complaining about people who "bullied" your vampire fan fiction with online comments makes you sound like a fag.

 

[luj1]

good ridance, buggy mess

 

[ColaWerewolf]

Hardsuit lab's VTMB2 (Pre-alpha) gameplay, this video is an analysis (in russian) of the gameplay videos shared by Larry Vallely (which are currently private).

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
OH NO NO NO

Also the intro that I saw fit well with Bloodlines and the just leaked videos show that the atmosphere was spot on.

AAAAA HAHAHAHA
OH NO NO NO

 

[Fedora Master]

Just scrap this shit and make a proper Werewolf: The Apocalypse game. Would fit the current climate panic much better as well.

 

[J1M]

While thinbloods are dumb, the setup was great for gameplay reasons. It justified multiple vampire blood hunts and provided a a way for the player to interact with and learn about the clans before being required to pick one.

Is that a positive? That kind of general store approach to an element that should be the foundation of a number of unique narratives within the game reeks of taking the easy way out - why bother building a world where a Toreador's story plays out differently than a Nosferatu's would, when you can build a static one with a nondescript protagonist and a couple cosmetic variables.

It's the CP2077 shitty background choices, except somehow worse.

Yes, it is positive. People aren't going to play the game 6 times. The alternative is having a short paragraph of text in a menu to decide.

There is no reality where they build 6 games worth of content and you see a slice of it based on character choice.