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World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 - VTMB sequel from The Chinese Room - coming Fall 2024
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Harry Potter, The Hunger Games, Divergent, VtM, the list could go on
La vie sexuelle
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What with Anne Rice cringe?
Tyranicon
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True, but most media don't do factionalism well because there's a few obviously cool/good factions, an evil one, and then a bunch of lame ones. Most people don't want to be in House Hufflepuff or whatever.
At least VtM gives you interesting choices. Mostly.
Clan vs Clan (x13), Sect vs Sect vs Sect (I refuse to acknowledge the dissolution of the Sword of Caine), Antediluvian vs Methuselah vs Elder vs Ancilla vs Neonate.
Pick your poison
Ryzer
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VtM is the franchise specially targeted at teenagers full of acne pimples, usually asocial, or gothic people trying to be edgy while having needles instead of arms, or strong independent women larping as powerful countess feeling empowerement through vampire powers.
They are like real-life Nosferatu, without magic powers.
It's a cringe franchise and so is the upcoming game.
They are like real-life Nosferatu, without magic powers.
It's a cringe franchise and so is the upcoming game.
So is Werewolf. Mage is all about the meme jyhad. Wraith is having an enemy agent set up shop in your head and go all Disco Elysium on your ass. Changeling is courtly politics and the war against the decline. Hunter is all about race wards. Mummy... well, who the fuck plays Mummy. Demon is even worse than Vampire: imagine Elysium except the Camarilla, Sabbat, Anarchs, Inconnu and pretty much everyone except the Baali are freely mingling.
So yes, World of Darkness is all about factionalism.
Surprised they decided to add Brujah. I'll assume with the Brujah leaving the Camarilla (in V5), there will be some "reason" there still exists a Brujah faction in Seattle?
Most Camarilla aligned cities still have an Anarch presence(NY, Chicago), like how Anarch aligned cities have Camarilla trying to gain a foothold. (L.A)
Brujah don't like when they're told what to do, including when they're told by other Brujah.
That would actually be a splendid concept. I would find the setting much more interesting if a city's Prince and Archbishop were merely rivals, rather than bitter enemies.
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When you are immortal(or at least you won't die from age alone) what else is there to do than playing politic?
Even if you want to spend your eternity for some research, politic is still required to have enough of a status, to make lesser kindred to fuck off from your stuff.
Even Inconnu do play that game.
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"What's a timberman want with bein' a Brujah?"
The general hierarchy of templates in Demon work like this:
- The House, which designates a demon's purpose prior to their fall, as well as their base powers. A House is more or less family: people with whom you have a shared history and shared pain, but don't expect much actual help out of them (and trying to mooch off of your fellows in the same House is frowned upon). The Clans of Vampire.
- The Faction, which is an ideology and a new purpose that the demons have given themselves. Some like each other more than others. More or less the Sects.
- The Court, which is where things get messy. A full-sized Court consists a Tyrant and the Pentarchy, leaders of the five Ministries, who focus on internal affairs, information gathering, defense, offense and dealing with humans. Whichever Ministry is the most powerful differs between Court, based on membership of the Ministry and the affiliations of the Tyrant. Certain Houses are more likely to flock to certain Ministries: the autists of the Malefactors or the wild dogs of the Devourers won't be as likely to shack up with the Ministry that deals with humanity. Courtly affairs can be used to advance in status within one's House or Faction, but this needs to be balanced out with one's dealings in Court lest you get overtaken by one of them. To make things extra complex, a larger city can have two or even more Courts that vie for power, and powerful ones may have the fealty of smaller, less powerful Courts in other cities. And yes, there are known cases of demons secretly being members of two courts at once for their personal gain.
This allows for just about any combination of House and Faction to be part of a Court and be forced to work together. Above all demons value competence and loyalty, so show both and you can rise far even if you're not powerful, held a high rank in the past or have good memory of the time before the Abyss. Just don't be an Earthbound and you're good to go.
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what the fuck is a gangranel... and take a wild fucking guess!
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The moment v5 popped up it turned it into a cringy Twilight, the RPG.
Before that it was one of the most original and interesting RPG settings around.
Unfortunately, the new game is based on v5 so it's already drenched in LARPing faggotry from the start.
negator2vc
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Unfortunately the game was always gona be a cridgy mess. v5 was just the icing of the cake.
The only way to get an actual VtM Bloodlines game these days is for some fans to create a DaggerFall Unity/OpenXcom kind of engine (that allow both to play the original game without the bugs and allow the creation of fan mods).
This way fans can create new stories, quests, etc... using the original assets as template.
Protean would be a challenge, it's an instant masquerade violation that should provoke a considerable reaction from humans. It's possible that the outdoor areas will be almost devoid of human NPCs, and to expect there to be cops or hunters after such a spree is delusional - assuming that Gangrel is in the game at all, and also protean that you could use freely anytime.
The outdoors Seatle will be just a desolate-looking point B between A and C that you must shuffle through, with some NPCs that you can suck between cutscenes and punching.
in V5, Protean in level 1 has Weight of the Feather, which makes it so the vampire can reduce their effective mass and density, making themselves almost weightless. In the trailer we see our MC glide through air, and this might be the reason why. Protean is shared by Ministry(Setites), Tzimisce and Gangrel.
NecroLord
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Feral Claws are still awesome, aren't they?
I am not really familiar with V5 and the current stuff.
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