Van Buren/FO3 good news

[Franz_Schubert]

Think of a better paradox.

Think of a better paradox?

Pier 39 and Pier 40

 

[Platter]

What?

 

[Jed]

What?

It's a San Francisco joke (I assume): Pier 39 is one of the biggest tourist traps in the Bay Area, and Pier 40 is...well, pretty much just a pier with some fairy ramshackle warehouses.

 

[Platter]

Your paradox has forced me to re-examine all my most precious beliefs.

 

[Kanthiat]

the paradox isnt wot happens to the universe, there would be to many variables for that, its wot happens to the inventor, does he live or die?

 

[Kanthiat]

with the time machine paradox

 

[Platter]

the paradox isnt wot happens to the universe, there would be to many variables for that, its wot happens to the inventor, does he live or die?

That is what I was answering.

As in, guy goes back in time and kills inventor of time travel. Everything in our past remains the same but an alternate universe is created where the inventor was killed and time travel was never invented.

That's just one possible answer.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

I thought the whole reason Fallout was M-Rated was so it could present a world of ethical choices for the player, not just so some NPCs could say SHITDAMNFUCKBITCH! and you could get your shag on with the nearest hooker.

For example, you could use drugs in Fallout, so long as you were prepared to deal with addiction.

 

[Platter]

So in other words, upon hearing about a way that Fallout 3 will be like the original, you try and turn it around to say how much it won't be like the original.
What do you want to hear? That it WON'T be an M-rated game?
You would be even more upset at any news that was the opposite of what we just got. So what are you on about?

Oh, that's right. You seek attention by constantly complaining. Even if that means you occasionally have to complain about news that you WANT to hear. You HAVE to complain.

You know, Fallout 1 had some all-capital swear words and random shagging. I GUESS IT SUCKS!!

 

[atoga]

You know, Fallout 1 had some all-capital swear words and random shagging. I GUESS IT SUCKS!!

There was one hooker in Fallout 1. Also, swearing tends to have more of an effect if it's used in moderation (I can only think of a couple people in F1 who swore a lot). However, random swearing and hookers in excess just waters everything else down & is pretty juvenile as well.

 

[Platter]

There was one hooker in Fallout 1. Also, swearing tends to have more of an effect if it's used in moderation (I can only think of a couple people in F1 who swore a lot).

And where has it been said it will not be used similarly in Fallout 3?

However, random swearing and hookers in excess just waters everything else down & is pretty juvenile as well.

I don't recall JE saying this is how he planned to do it.

Really, unless SP was responding to Volourn's post and not the actual news itself (Which is possible, but he's still an ass and I'm not retracting anything - just replace the subject matter with whatever his next or last news update was. I'm sure he was just as much an ass in them as ever.), he was just looking for an excuse to complain here.

 

[Realbumpbert]

No, a parallel universe would not be created. There would all ready be a parallel universe in which there was no time travel; the universe in which the inventor was killed and time travel never invented would not exist because the man who killed the inventor did so using time travel.

Occam's razor would say that time travel is just impossible...

 

[Voss]

Mind you, I find the idea of a razor saying things an impossible act by itself, so I don't think its opinion really counts. :D

 

[triCritical]

Occam's razor would say that time travel is just impossible...

Occam's razor is not a rule, hence no one with more then three brain cells should treat it as such.

 

[Spazmo]

Wait a minute--Occam's razor doesn't say time travel is impossible. How does 'the simplest explanation is usually the right one' equate to impossible time travel? Explanation to what, exactly?

 

[DrattedTin]

The simplest explanation being, "Time does not exist."

 

[Spazmo]

That's not simple at all. That, in fact, is a very complex theorem, the proving of which would require a total redefinition of how we percieve reality. You, sir, are fuly defying Occam's Razor.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

Really, unless SP was responding to Volourn's post and not the actual news itself (Which is possible, but he's still an ass and I'm not retracting anything - just replace the subject matter with whatever his next or last news update was. I'm sure he was just as much an ass in them as ever.), he was just looking for an excuse to complain here.

Actually, I was replying to Volourn, and I was also making a point - the point which TEAM CHUCK doesn't seem to get. Fallout isn't about running around with Tourette's Syndrome or how many hookers you can bed down. It's about ethical choices, and that's why it's M-Rated, and that's why evil actions and relatively immoral acts, while they may be good in the short term, have longer term consequences.

 

[DrattedTin]

Not at all, Spazmo.

Time is a concept, a measuring stick. If you like to think that concepts are real, that's fine.

 

[Azael]

Not at all, Spazmo.

Time is a concept, a measuring stick. If you like to think that concepts are real, that's fine.

Many physicists wouldn't agree with this statement.

 

[Vault Dweller]

OMG! Another pseudo scientific discussion! I love those :D

Time is a concept, a measuring stick. If you like to think that concepts are real, that's fine.

While time as we define it is indeed a concept, the flow of it is quite real and has actual measurable impacts on many physical processes. Since it's a physical process, theoretically it could be physically manipulated: slowed, reversed, stopped. Otherwise how would you explain Time Stop spell?

 

[Volourn]

I'll explain it the cheap way - magic.

 

[Voss]

OMG! Another pseudo scientific discussion! I love those :D

Time is a concept, a measuring stick. If you like to think that concepts are real, that's fine.

While time as we define it is indeed a concept, the flow of it is quite real and has actual measurable impacts on many physical processes. Since it's a physical process, theoretically it could be physically manipulated: slowed, reversed, stopped. Otherwise how would you explain Time Stop spell?

the impacts on physical processes could be sheer coincidence.
It could just be invisible magic gnomes doing unmentionable things.
Times is, time isn't. Its like an inch, but not like a mountain.

Hmm. Before this goes any farther, this should be declared a

:arrow: No Metaphor zone. :!:

 

[Spazmo]

Not at all, Spazmo.

Time is a concept, a measuring stick. If you like to think that concepts are real, that's fine.

Yes, because time as time is the generally accepted paradigm. Removing, replacing or modifying this is remarkably complicated, which defies Occam's Razor. So please explain how you can apply this law to this situation?

 

[DrattedTin]

Not at all, Spazmo.

Time is a concept, a measuring stick. If you like to think that concepts are real, that's fine.

Yes, because time as time is the generally accepted paradigm. Removing, replacing or modifying this is remarkably complicated, which defies Occam's Razor. So please explain how you can apply this law to this situation?

I already made it as clear as possible. The simplest answer here is "Time does not exist". This is far simpler than any other answer in this thread, and makes more sense than most of the other answers.

If you want to say ideas are real and concrete because they are accepted, we might as well applaud the marketing types we hate so much, and conclude that since real-time is so highly revered, well, it must be the perfect system, right?