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[circ]

Sure I'm ad homming it up, but here we have a girl who starves herself to near-death in an attempt to achieve some warped body type trying to say that the objectification of women isn't harmful. It's like a lung cancer patient trying to say that cigarettes are just fine while coughing up one of those diseased lungs.

Women get shot or stoned for leaving the house without a burka, or for having been raped by the wrong two men. And you whine about darwin arward nominees, boo fucking hoo. Get your shit straight.

White knighting too? Or what brought this on? It was just a reply explaining hypocrisy, which Blackcat seemed to be fine with, and that would have been it but I guess not.

 

[Kane]

Sure I'm ad homming it up, but here we have a girl who starves herself to near-death in an attempt to achieve some warped body type trying to say that the objectification of women isn't harmful. It's like a lung cancer patient trying to say that cigarettes are just fine while coughing up one of those diseased lungs.

Women get shot or stoned for leaving the house without a burka, or for having been raped by the wrong two men. And you whine about darwin arward nominees, boo fucking hoo. Get your shit straight.

White knighting too? Or what brought this on? It was just a reply explaining hypocrisy, which Blackcat seemed to be fine with, and that would have been it but I guess not.

The explanation of hypocrisy was hypocritic.

 

[GarfunkeL]

I've seen first hand what it's like for women outside of western world. They should really be kissing the feet of men who help beat back the hordes of barbarians and prison societies.

Fuck, you are such an gigantic retard. Did your mummy beat your ass red when you were little or did your ex-wife ran away with another guy? That level of hostility against women can't be healthy. Also, here's a free history lesson:

Women improved their standing in Western society through their own means and efforts, with some help from sympathetic males. Just look at what most of Europe was like 100 years ago - women couldn't vote and could not legally own anything in many countries. 200 years ago they weren't legal entities, belonging either to their fathers, brothers or husbands. And yet even during those times there were women who opposed the early Feminists, claiming that things were "good enough as it is". Doubtless there were plenty of little hoopy's and doc savage's as well, moaning and whining about women already then.

That women outside of the West often face much more severe persecution is a fact, but it doesn't diminish the need for improving the portrayal of women in video games. While the situations are nowhere nears on the same level of gravity, a feminist gamer can hardly change the situation in Afghanistan or Saudi-Arabia but she can raise awareness and focus pressure against developers and publishers. While I have nothing against occasional T&A, no-one can deny that the vast majority of female characters in video games are either damsels in distress or walking fanservice hotties. Furthermore, the original article pointed out that women are also treated as shit during conventions and inside the business itself - which really is an actual problem and an issue that would need addressing and more attention. Does the portrayal of women in games reflect the attitude towards women in the business? Now chew on that while performing your daily auto-erotic asphyxiation, you waste of flesh.

 

[abnaxus]

Chick fight on the Codex?! Oh, my!

Go Roguey!

Roguey's a chick?

 

[Kane]

I've seen first hand what it's like for women outside of western world. They should really be kissing the feet of men who help beat back the hordes of barbarians and prison societies.

Fuck, you are such an gigantic retard. Did your mummy beat your ass red when you were little or did your ex-wife ran away with another guy? That level of hostility against women can't be healthy. Also, here's a free history lesson:

Women improved their standing in Western society through their own means and efforts, with some help from sympathetic males. Just look at what most of Europe was like 100 years ago - women couldn't vote and could not legally own anything in many countries. 200 years ago they weren't legal entities, belonging either to their fathers, brothers or husbands. And yet even during those times there were women who opposed the early Feminists, claiming that things were "good enough as it is". Doubtless there were plenty of little hoopy's and doc savage's as well, moaning and whining about women already then.

That women outside of the West often face much more severe persecution is a fact, but it doesn't diminish the need for improving the portrayal of women in video games. While the situations are nowhere nears on the same level of gravity, a feminist gamer can hardly change the situation in Afghanistan or Saudi-Arabia but she can raise awareness and focus pressure against developers and publishers. While I have nothing against occasional T&A, no-one can deny that the vast majority of female characters in video games are either damsels in distress or walking fanservice hotties. Furthermore, the original article pointed out that women are also treated as shit during conventions and inside the business itself - which really is an actual problem and an issue that would need addressing and more attention. Does the portrayal of women in games reflect the attitude towards women in the business? Now chew on that while performing your daily auto-erotic asphyxiation, you waste of flesh.

Yes, and that is all good and well Garfunkel but the main difference between what has happened 200 years ago or is currently happening in some arabic countries and video games, is that the former is real. It affects real women, with real problems. "Raising the awareness and focus pressure against developers and publishers" because someone put a bunch of boob shaped pixels into a video game is nothing but laughable in comparision. It's exaclty these kind of stuff that is so far removed from reality, that does the feministic cause - necessary as it is - more harm than good.

 

[Black]

Chick fight on the Codex?! Oh, my!

Go Roguey!

Roguey's a chick?

By Codex standards at least.

 

[SCO]

Yes, and that is all good and well Garfunkel but the main difference between what has happened 200 years ago or is currently happening in some arabic countries and video games, is that the former is real. It affects real women, with real problems. "Raising the awareness and focus pressure against developers and publishers" because someone put a bunch of boob shaped pixels into a video game is nothing but laughable in comparision. It's exaclty these kind of stuff that is so far removed from reality, that does the feministic cause - necessary as it is - more harm than good.

Sure, gaming fans are just excellently adjusted persons compared to the average esclavagiste pimp on saudi arabia. Still, there are a few telltales:

I don't blame the whores models. I blame the audience.

My previous argument didn't have anything much to do with morality by the way, just narrative diversity (not like a give a shit about E3, or gamers for that matter).

 

[Menckenstein]

This thread has turned into community theatre interpretive dance flash mob ironic coffee house bohemian mung gargling festival

 

[Kane]

I don't blame the whores models. I blame the audience.

These women are payed and do that on their own free will. Where is the problem? Does she need to be rescued from male opression? If so, I don't see it.

 

[SCO]

Did i disagree? The 'problem' as you so elegantly say is that every fucking publisher game (nearly) is as juvenile as ten year old discovering cunts and the magic of their penis

Could make a analogue argument about hyper-violence that doesn't actually make sense.

 

[Kane]

Did i disagree? The 'problem' as you so elegantly say is that every fucking publisher game (nearly) is as juvenile as ten year old discovering cunts and the magic of their penis

So? It's not like video games main target group are male teenagers.

 

[SCO]

give me a list of your ten favorite games.

 

[Kane]

give me a list of your ten favorite games.

in no particular order:

starcraft
fallout
tribes
guild wars

and the rest i would have to think about

what is your point? that good gameplay is correlated with minimal T&A? I already disagreed with that.

 

[SCO]

starcraft -> didn't play, but from what it has a 'tragic' 'love story' of a woman turning into a hive queen. Fair i guess.
fallout -> some women were sexualized (whores) but most were not (tandi, the innkeeper, the BoS researcher, Laura etc). Even whores did not walk around in Torment-like 'fashionable' rags, but real rags that somehow, were still less revealing.
tribes - didn't play
guild wars -> didn't play

Just to be fair that narrative in games are not necessarily impacted too much by (ridiculous) stereotypes:
torment: every transient woman in the hive streets is a whore. Every one in the high class zone is a airhead bimbo slut.

But that second case is ignored by 'everyone' around. It's like it's scenario. While in reality someone walking around on streets like the bimbo would rightfully be thought of another whore advertizing.

Do you see the inconsistency that this pandering did on a 'serious' game?

 

[Ulminati]

give me a list of your ten favorite games.

In no paticular order:
Neverwinter Nights
Ufo: Enemy unknown
Grim Fandango
VTMB
Syndicate
Deus Ex
Freespace II
Indiana Jones & The Fate of atlantis
Civilization II
Sid Meier's alpha Centauri


Top 10 would probably vary from week to week depending on when you asked. There's at least 40-50 games competing for "this is some of the best shit computergaming gave me" dominance. If we're looking at narrative, NWN was mostly for the persistent world multiplayer servers. Which was sitcom quality at best. I did meet some tru BRO/SIS'es on some of the servers who I remain in contact with to this day.

 

[Kane]

Just to be fair that narrative in games are not necessarily impacted too much by (ridiculous) stereotypes:
torment: every transient woman in the hive streets is a whore. Every one in the high class zone is a airhead bimbo slut.

But that second case is ignored by 'everyone' around. It's like it's scenario. While in reality someone walking around on streets like the bimbo would rightfully be thought of another whore advertizing.

Do you see the inconsistency that this pandering did?

I see that the story and character in videogames is usually completely forgettable and I am asking myself why I should give a fuck. The only game that I have played where the writing and story is good enough to even warrant thinking about the characters dilemma is PS:T.

 

[Kane]

give me a list of your ten favorite games.

In no paticular order:
Neverwinter Nights
Ufo: Enemy unknown
Grim Fandango
VTMB
Syndicate
Deus Ex
Freespace II
Indiana Jones & The Fate of atlantis
Civilization II
Sid Meier's alpha Centauri


Top 10 would probably vary from week to week depending on when you asked. There's at least 40-50 games competing for "this is some of the best shit computergaming gave me" dominance. If we're looking at narrative, NWN was mostly for the persistent world multiplayer servers. Which was sitcom quality at best. I did meet some tru BRO/SIS'es on some of the servers who I remain in contact with to this day.

This isn't the "list your top 10 games" thread uliminate . but your selection is pretty .

 

[SCO]

And i'm telling you that there are more reasons than 'FEMINISM!' to dislike institutionalized sexuality. Think about the reasons that no one gives a shit about the stories of computer games. Whenever something is added to a narrative ... every ... single ... time, across publishers and developers - why, i start to predict it. Isn't that the reason that the 'romances' in bioware games are so utterly shit? There is always Viconia, Jaheira, that elf girl, that paladin dude etc. Viconia is always a slut (forward) etc.

 

[Ulminati]

I'm just looking forward to having my list psychoanalyzed to find a way to paint it in a misogynistic light. I guess there's ample T&A in VTMB

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

give me a list of your ten favorite games.

Armored Brigade
Gunship
Fallout
Lugaru
Soldat
Command Ops: Battles from the Bulge
Operation Flashpoint
ADOM
Syndicate
Hind

Analyse this!

 

[Black]

give me a list of your ten favorite games.

In no paticular order:
Neverwinter Nights

And you have the nerve to judge D3 players?

 

[SCO]

I'm just looking forward to having my list psychoanalyzed to find a way to paint it in a misogynistic light. I guess there's ample T&A in VTMB

yeah, but i like too. The idea was that most 'favorite' games would be 'balanced' - not too much sexual objectification - no one is going to put in chainsaw lollipop as a 'favorite game' because getting your dick hard while playing a game is not exactly high concept.

 

[laclongquan]

Well... Considering the strongest woman in the whole game is Lady of Pain who nobody in their right mind want to draw her attention.

Or Ravel Puzzlewell whose many faces fascinated you players. Pity all of them are ugly, but that doesnt reduce her fascination level.

Or Deionarra await you in the death's hall.

Or the succubus priestess, a pretty fascinating concept.

I dont think feminists have anything to complain about in Torment.

 

[Kane]

And i'm telling you that there are more reasons than 'FEMINISM!' to dislike institutionalized sexuality.

For starters, I like sexuality (who doesn't). The point where it becomes 'institutionalized' is a blurry mess, as sexuality understandably penetrates all of our life. Yes, women aspiring to retarded "social standards" is shit, but that has nothing to do with " "The Opressive Patriarchy. " It's related to bad education.

Think about the reasons that no one gives a shit about the stories of computer games.

I already said that the story wouldn't matter to me in a game about, say, starcraft, even if it was good. The story only plays a tangible role in RPGs, and while, yes, a story shouldn't be about T&A (because that would be boring), having a good story AND T&A is nothing to be ashamed about.

 

[Ulminati]

Come to think of it, I should probably had added CKII in there at some point. That game is like a do-it-yourself misogyny simulator. Especially when I LARPed the mad Duke of Sjælland, who had his wife assassinate their (hunchbacked, male) children until a suitable (female) heir was first in line for the title, then had his daughter murder his wife to ensure no further heirs could be produced. (Simply refraining from boning the wife would be out of the question, of course ).

An amazing game that accurally illustrates how women are inferior to men in all ways in medieval europe. The mad Duke's daughter had unruly vassals from her lack of a penis, had problems getting a decent prospect to marry matriliniarely and couldn't use her 18 martial score to quell peasant revolts.

And you have the nerve to judge D3 players?

Solely on the merit of NWNs persistent multiplayer servers which are just about the closest thing we've ever had to the pen&paper experience in CRPG form. I always make sure to stress the fact that NWN was good FOR the multiplayer DESPITE the official campaign(s).