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[Kane]

CK II is actually pretty feminist. I always breed females, especially in clutch situations. I had three Kingdoms run into a genetic wall by now, because all of my relatives where female. Agnative-Cognative succession laws are pretty much a must. Damn you paradox, for opressing the male gender!

 

[Black]

Solely on the merit of NWNs persistent multiplayer servers which are just about the clsoest thign we've ever had to the pen&paper experience in CRPG form. I always make sure to stress the fact that NWN was good FOR the multiplayer DESPITE the official campaign(s).

Riiight, good for what it is.
You just went on my black list, watch your back.

 

[Menckenstein]

I'm just looking forward to having my list psychoanalyzed to find a way to paint it in a misogynistic light. I guess there's ample T&A in VTMB

Indiana Jones is a misogynist and a boyhood hero of many a man, INSTITUTIONALZIED PATRIARCHY... sweetheart.

 

[Kane]

You just went on my black list.

Is that something bad?

 

[Ulminati]

You just went on my black list, watch your back.

Dude, you never played on Daggerford, Early Haze (before HOT had too many delusions of grandeur), Happyworld or CoA. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Go back to your auctionhouse clicking. The rest of us were busy organizing a player-run revolt and involving the DMs in plots to assassinate named NPCs for good and burning down the Lathandrite church, complete with the entire bulding being replaced with a smouldering ruin after the following server downtime.

Speaking scheduled server downtime. When your favourite PW was down in NWN, you could play singleplayer mods.
What a novel concept, being able to play the game you purchsed regardless of server uptime. And with modding tools as part of the package as well. there's another thing diablo will never have.

 

[circ]

give me a list of your ten favorite games.

In no paticular order:
Neverwinter Nights

And you have the nerve to judge D3 players?

I don't remember BioWare in those days trying to fuck you up the ass with a horsecock at every opportunity.

 

[Black]

give me a list of your ten favorite games.

In no paticular order:
Neverwinter Nights

And you have the nerve to judge D3 players?

I don't remember BioWare in those days trying to fuck you up the ass with a horsecock at every opportunity.

I do, one of those attempts is called Neverwinter Nights.

 

[SCO]

... The story only plays a tangible role in RPGs, and while, yes, a story shouldn't be about T&A (because that would be boring), having a good story AND T&A is nothing to be ashamed about.

You already admitted that all publishers put in a bit of nookie in their games. It's exactly the same as women fantasy authors having to put in a 'romance' in their books - it's a element that constrains the stories they tell in AAA video games.
I can't recall the last time we had a middle-aged+ protagonist. I can't recall the time a woman main character had no romantic interest. I can't recall the time that a physically defective main character was depicted. etc etc etc.

 

[Kane]

I can't recall the last time we had a middle-aged+ protagonist. I can't recall the time a woman main character had no romantic interest. I can't recall the time that a physically defective main character was depicted. etc etc etc.

Yeah, but how many stories outside of video games do you know that aren't about the stereotypes you name? Not that many. It's simply that this whole young knight on a quest to save the world template, as old and tired as it is, still seems to work best.

 

[Gragt]

Anyone will always find the right to complain about anything.

 

[circ]

What does any of this matter anyway? It's not like entertainment or culture has anything to do with misogyny or misandry. They're just excuses, like religion, for people to act like shits.

 

[SCO]

Yeah, but how many stories outside of video games do you know that aren't about the stereotypes you name? Not that many. It's simply that this whole young knight on a quest to save the world template, as old and tired as it is, still seems to work best.

Do you think the writers don't know that? It's just a consequence of 'he has to have a bit of nookie, every female should be attracted to him and every female that is attracted should be attractive'

writer goes 'shit'.

 

[Kane]

Do you think the writers don't know that? It's just a consequence of 'he has to have a bit of nookie, every female should be attracted to him and every female that is attracted should be attractive'

writer goes 'shit'.

Yeah I don't disagree. At the end of the day selling a game needs to net profits. As I said, it's an education issue. If the rest of the internet would be like the codex, shitty stories and bland characters wouldn't be given a pass. But people seem to have fun with how it is currently, the industry rakes in lots of money and the only losers are a few grumpy nerds and wanabee intellectuals on an internet board called the rpg codex. That's life.

 

[Ulminati]

I can't recall the last time we had a middle-aged+ protagonist.

Besides the obvious wizard-with-long-beard in some of the older games I'd have to agree there. I'll wrack my brain and see if I can come up with one.

After some thought, the closet I've gotten is some of the combatants in beat 'em ups being old asian kung fu men. but they're still in peak physical condition.

I can't recall the time a woman main character had no romantic interest.

I haven't played most of the later games, so it may have changed. But for the first handful of Tomb Raider games Lara had no romantic interest.
April Ryan in the Longest journey? (Before going off the deep end into emofaggotry in Dreamfall and having Andhaira fantazising about her)
Chelle in portal?

I can't recall the time that a physically defective main character was depicted. etc etc etc.

Katawa Shoujo?
The Nameless One? Well, amnesia is psychic, not physical. A shame you went with physical, because otherwise there's always the delightfully batshit insane Alice from the recent platformers. Who, incidentially was a female main character without a romantic interest.
I'm sure I can think of something srs'er, but it'll still be somewhat obscure. Kids love those brown-haired 30-something white males.

I think the main problem with old/physically disabled main characters is that controlling them in an actiony game would probably be intensely aggrivating (or otherwise not accurately portray old age/infirmities/handicaps). I guess the best bet for finding some would be trawling point&click adventure games.


In conclusion, this is the protagonist we need:

 

[SCO]

(fake) Mental disease is a trope in itself, due to it being so useful for writers. Physical limitations are like the leprosy for character concepts of action/narrative games, not pretty, not attractive, not normative, constraint mobility.

Dreamfall i haven't played; and hope Alice hadn't a romantic interest because that would give off pedo overtones since i know who alice was and what Carroll likely did.

Though arguably, this would be a case where it would make the game better.

 

[Dexter]

I don't blame the whores models. I blame the audience.

Sasha Grey is the best kind of feminist xD

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture...the-world-the-story-behind-the-story-20090429

"There's some interesting comparisons there about two women who are incredibly precocious for their ages and really driven, ambitious and also really sure that their point of view is the right one, and that what they are doing is liberating for women," Grigoriadis says. "Both of them are very clear that they think that what they're doing [is feminist], even though Sasha's case is completely different than Taylor's." Grey, a 1970s film nut and bohemian who avoids listening to the radio, told Grigoriadis she's never even heard of Taylor Swift.

"To me, what's most important about her is her impact on feminism," Grigoriadis says. "Porn has been one of feminism's most divisive issues because it hits on such a raw level to so many woman. Here are the fantasies of men, and it's of course better to live out those fantasies through pornography than to try to do them in the real world, but the fact is the real world is impacted by it. Grey says, 'If you look at me and you think "Here's a woman who's intelligent, cognizant and making her own choices, and you still tell me that what I'm doing is wrong, screw you, because that should end the debate.' "

It's funny that a lot of "actual feminists" (the ones that were about equal rights in voting, jobs and so on and didn't want to ban video game nudity) have long fought religiously ingrained morals of not being able to show off their bodies because it wasn't considered "proper" at the time and they'd be labeled "whores" or worse even half a century ago (not to say that pornography was entirely banned till 1970 or something) and continue to do so in a lot of arabic countries.

 

[Gragt]

Chelle in portal?

Who?

 

[Ulminati]

Chelle in portal?

Who?

The person you're playing as in portal. It was a semi-troll since the only reason you even know the character you're playing in portal is female is if you line up some portals for an infinite tunnel to see your own model. And when GLaDOS starts with the fatty-jokes in Portal 2.
Well, you could argue that the weighted companion cube is her love interest. But then you're deep into retarded 4chan meme territory.

 

[Gragt]

Yeah, I saw the character you play is female (which has zero impact since it's a complete blank slate) but I never heard any mention of her name in the game. Is that written on her cryo-tube or something?

 

[Sukeban Cho]

I can't recall the last time we had a middle-aged+ protagonist.

Nier Gestalt isn't that old.

Spoiler

Give me my Kodex Kool Kredits. *ka-ching*

 

[Ulminati]

Yeah, I saw the character you play is female (which has zero impact since it's a complete blank slate) but I never heard any mention of her name in the game. Is that written on her cryo-tube or something?

Mentioned a few times. Especially in Portal 2 where you also learn that she was the daughter of one of the aperature scientists that got trapped when Glados went nuts during bring-your-kid-to-work day. The potato battery science stall that grew into the ceiling you come across in portal 2 was hers.

 

[Gragt]

I guess I'll have to buy Portal 2 some day to learn the name of the character then.

 

[Ulminati]

Just youtube turret opera. GLaDOS namedrops Chell in it.

 

[GarfunkeL]

Yes, and that is all good and well Garfunkel but the main difference between what has happened 200 years ago or is currently happening in some arabic countries and video games, is that the former is real. It affects real women, with real problems. "Raising the awareness and focus pressure against developers and publishers" because someone put a bunch of boob shaped pixels into a video game is nothing but laughable in comparision. It's exaclty these kind of stuff that is so far removed from reality, that does the feministic cause - necessary as it is - more harm than good.

You completely missed my point how the same article ALSO brought up the poor treatment of real, flesh&blood females who work in the industry. The article also posed the question whether the female characters in video games accurately reflect the attitudes of the people (mostly men) making video games, so that it also influences how they treat RL females. I also said how that is a much more important issue than whether pixels are grouped into boobs or not. Because that's actual discrimination in the workplace and so on.

 

[Oriebam]

Sure I'm ad homming it up, but here we have a girl who starves herself to near-death in an attempt to achieve some warped body type trying to say that the objectification of women isn't harmful. It's like a lung cancer patient trying to say that cigarettes are just fine while coughing up one of those diseased lungs.

You are projecting.

I am a extremely superficial fashionista. I had become pretty good at professional make up artist techniques before starting highschool, and a great deal of my life is studying fashion and beautiful, glamorous girls so I can learn what it is about their looks, personality, characteristics, etc, that makes them so awesome so I can reproduce it on myself by means of butchering my own personality and both starving and working the fuck out of my body. I never denied that. Actually, I -embrace- it as my identity. I am utterly happy being so.

You are assuming this issue is related to gender politics, though, while providing no evidence about it. From the exact same known facts you could argue I objetified myself because I enjoy being an object, as long as such object is target of enough male desire and female envy. Which is, actually, much closer to the truth.

Then, not only girls go that way. While less in number there are men who embrace such a lifestyle too. Are they the result of guys objectifying girls too?

Maybe you would find easier to understand shit if you don't start from the assumption men are evil and we are all poor victims of male oppression. *shrug*

In any case you seem to be pretty blinded by your ideals and beliefs, which do nothing but remind me why I prefer to have no ideals at all outside of beauty and popularity. Thank you for that, lately I had been forgetting it myself.

mondblut Brofists this.

interesting...





updated my mondblut.txt