I feel like I need to stand in defense of Wesp's work here.
mathboy said:
Like I said, if you really want to use a fan-"patch" on your first run through, then get Tessera's because it fucks up less. But preferably, don't use any.
Open the second page of this thread, scroll down and read the last post on the page. Then try saying something positive about Tessera's influence on the "true" patch without laughing.
And I wrote "That is unless you want to have sex with Jeanette every time you see her. Then Wesp's patches are the way to go."
If you want to have sex with her every time you see her, Wesp's patch is better because it makes it easier to do it on the occasion you are able to.
So "chance once = every time"?
Some complaints at least I have against Wesp's "patch":
It has moved around a katana many times, and after reading the last pages of this thread it actually seems to make the most sense around where it was originally placed. - This makes it seem like the changes made are pretty random, and not consistent with the WoD the game takes place in.
First of all, the part of the WoD setting about the Tal'mahe'Ra cult is about as obscure as it can get. Many P&P players would never know about it either. And second, after reading everything I could find on it, I came to conclusion that the very existence of the Ra blade in the game is going against the setting. No NPC from which the player could get the blade could conceivably be a cultist. So instead of proposing to remove the blade from the game (which would be the best solution as far the setting is concerned), I proposed to give the blade to the tzimisce Andrei - because he is the most likely alternative remaining. As a side benefit, this also puts the blade closer to its original position. But not on the original position that had no logic whatsoever.
It makes it easier to have sex with Jeanette.
No, it just moves the opportunity to do so from after the quest to during. As I played the game with the patch, I can tell you it looks like a perfectly logical move. You still need the seduction feat of 4 to actually get a chance at it.
It renames and recalibrates the weapons, making the game easier (I think).
It changes the weapon names to the ones the their models actually represent - the real world weapons that are also part of the WoD setting. Also, as I see it he only made some very logical changes in the weapon stats, like making both shotguns do similar damage (if I remember correctly). How did this make the game easier?
It adds some elements that makes the game more FPS-like, weapon progress, rewards stupid boss-fights.
I was under the impression that Bloodlines had a weapon progress in the first place. As to the rewards, you are probably referring to the minimal 1XP award for killing the Giovanni elder. Can't say I blame you there as I don't like it either. It really is a minimal award and it looks logical to give a reward for managing to do so, but I feel motivating the player to go on unnecessary killing sprees is not a good idea.
It's changes are not based on consistency with the WoD or Troika's game. Wesp has never played the PnP and uses WoD consistency as an argument whenever it favours him but disregards it at other times:
I fear that all our reasoning doesn't matter in the end, because I just can't get the coffins to work as containers Sad. Adding a trunk looks out of place like it was indeed only placed there to provide the weapon. So unless I find another way to do it, both weapons will stay where they are. Which isn't that bad as most players would never know the WoD background of the Ra blade anyway...
This quote is about the Ra blade again. So you are just repeating your first point. Also, it looks like Wesp did place the blade in the hotel for the next patch anyway, invalidating your argument completely. Can you point any other change in his patch that goes against the WoD setting? And speaking of conveniently forgetting about the setting, what about your preference of original made-up weapon names to the real ones in the WoD?
I could probably come up with a couple more if I though more about it.
No doubt. But to me it looks like you just hate the patch because it changes some aspects of the game - regardless if the changes are for the better, or for the worse. And that's a perfectly acceptable point of view. But even you have to admit that saying "That is unless you want to have sex with Jeanette every time you see her. Then Wesp's patches are the way to go." is stretching the facts a bit too far.
