Wasteland Wasteland 3 Pre-Release Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[undecaf]

Then you did not play a combat focused character, or your character was a huge pussy.

That was good. I have played a character like that among others. Still, I suppose he was less pussy than your character who needs to savescum to win.

But OK, you win you big badass RPG master you. I'm the child here.

 

[Haplo]

Eh, I don't really agree with this statement. Underrail has excellent tactical combat IMO and you only control one character. IMO Underrail combat >>>>>>>>>> WL2 combat.

If I were feeling generous, I'd maybe rate WL2 combat as > Fallout combat.
But I don't and other elements of Fallout combat, not directly tied to tactical challenge, like perk interactions and impact, aimed shot effects, animations, weapon calibers/types, critical effects make me rate Fallout combat >> WL2 combat. I like my combat awesome. Sue me.

Are you saying WL2 DC didn't have everything you listed, but with 4 characters instead of 1? It really seems like you guys go out of the way to not be right about anything.

Yes, WL2 DC had most of those things. Or rather, has checked most of the checkboxes. The execution was... lacklustre to say the least. Half-assed may be a better description.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

WL2 was great. Fuck the fun police.

 

[YES!]

Then you did not play a combat focused character, or your character was a huge pussy.

That was good. I have played a character like that among others. Still, I suppose he was less pussy than your character who needs to savescum to win.

But OK, you win you big badass RPG master you. I'm the child here.

Again, unless you can tell everyone your secret of being able to win without reloading in the big battles of either FO1 and 2, or can link to a video of a non-cheat character, you just are proving you are a huge fucking liar that knows dick about shit.

 

[YES!]

Eh, I don't really agree with this statement. Underrail has excellent tactical combat IMO and you only control one character. IMO Underrail combat >>>>>>>>>> WL2 combat.

If I were feeling generous, I'd maybe rate WL2 combat as > Fallout combat.
But I don't and other elements of Fallout combat, not directly tied to tactical challenge, like perk interactions and impact, aimed shot effects, animations, weapon calibers/types, critical effects make me rate Fallout combat >> WL2 combat. I like my combat awesome. Sue me.

Are you saying WL2 DC didn't have everything you listed, but with 4 characters instead of 1? It really seems like you guys go out of the way to not be right about anything.

Yes, WL2 DC had most of those things. Or rather, has checked most of the checkboxes. The execution was... lacklustre to say the least. Half-assed may be a better description.

So basically you like one character combat over party based combat and fail to see how game mechanics correlate. When you aren't equivocating you just prove how ignorant and unknowledgeable you are.

 

[undecaf]

Again, unless you can tell everyone your secret of being able to win without reloading in the big battles of either FO1 and 2, or can link to a video of a non-cheat character, you just are proving you are a huge fucking liar that knows dick about shit.

Why do you have to so fucking dense about it? You can seek your own videos out, you know how to do it. Or better yet, you can play the games yourself and see what happens. Like killing the early raiders in Fallout 1... You can lure the enemies to you in small groups and let the 10mm smg burst chop them down. Clearing the yard nets you better equipement (if you are an early character) before you engage the ones inside so it's not the end if the world if you run out if 10mm, and then you can use corners and doorways to your advantage when the rest of them come after you from inside, so you don't need to stand there surrounded. Even better if you have Ian with you. You are not required to savescum that.

Just play the fucking game the way you wish and have fun.

 

[Daedalos]

WL2 DC was p. good. If you keep savescumming to a minimum, and just roll with the story, it's quite fun and enjoyable ride.

Sure it had several minor and major flaws, but it came out allright in the end. The ending was the major disappointment tho, and the vital cuts of content in some later parts of the same was saddening not to make it into the DC.

I expect WL3 to be more of the same, only better and more fleshed out.

The lessons learned from the flaws of the combat system, story, writing and C&C used to better the sequel.

Let's see. At least the return of talking heads are a welcome one for me. Also UT4 engine hype.

 

[Infinitron]

Also UT4 engine hype.

They're using Unity 5.

 

[Daedalos]

Also UT4 engine hype.

They're using Unity 5.

Wait what? Are they now? Hmm, I'm sure I read it was gonna be U4. Hmmm interesting. Oh well, let's hope they optimized Unity then.. (lol no)

 

[fantadomat]

Well they could always run out of money and chop like the numenera.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Well they could always run out of money and chop like the numenera.

WL3 should be safe. Straight-up sequel is always easier to make than a highly experimental new IP.

 

[undecaf]

I'm sure I read it was gonna be U4.

That was probably news for Bard's Tale 4.

 

[fantadomat]

Well they could always run out of money and chop like the numenera.

WL3 should be safe. Straight-up sequel is always easier to make than a highly experimental new IP.

We shall see.

 

[Roguey]

I'm sure I read it was gonna be U4.

That was probably news for Bard's Tale 4.

Yah. You really don't want ineptile rebuilding everything again for UE4.

 

[YES!]

Again, unless you can tell everyone your secret of being able to win without reloading in the big battles of either FO1 and 2, or can link to a video of a non-cheat character, you just are proving you are a huge fucking liar that knows dick about shit.

Why do you have to so fucking dense about it? You can seek your own videos out, you know how to do it. Or better yet, you can play the games yourself and see what happens. Like killing the early raiders in Fallout 1... You can lure the enemies to you in small groups and let the 10mm smg burst chop them down. Clearing the yard nets you better equipement (if you are an early character) before you engage the ones inside so it's not the end if the world if you run out if 10mm, and then you can use corners and doorways to your advantage when the rest of them come after you from inside, so you don't need to stand there surrounded. Even better if you have Ian with you. You are not required to savescum that.

Just play the fucking game the way you wish and have fun.

Nope. Lies. I'm not going to search for lie videos when the burden of proof is on you, mr. pants on fire.

 

[Harry Easter]

Mengsk

Do you really thing that the ending was disappointing? I think that the finale was alright, except for the last battle (which was just annoying). Otherwise I can agree on every point. L.A. felt not as fleshed out, after the first settlement and the children of the could have been cut out as a faction.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Wasteland 2 finale was worth it just for this.

 

[Harry Easter]

IHaveHugeNick

Hehe, yeah, you're right^^. Still, he could have been part of the gunpriests and his role wouldn't lost a bit (and maybe his plottwist would have worked better. Meh, still one of the good stories in the medium).

 

[Lahey]

 

[Zombra]

I'm definitely down with changing the combat formula some way. I'd much rather go "deeper" than "snappier" though. I guess looking at D:OS is a good start.

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

 

[Alienman]

Elemental combat a la Divinity Original Sin confirmed

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

WL2's combat was too hardcore it's own good. 7 party members, weapon jamming, dealing with ammo scarcity. I don't know, it's like they didn't want to compromise and abandon all the oldschool sensibilities that got the game funded in a first place. There comes a point in a turn-based game where adding more features doesn't add complexity, it's just adds bloat. I wouldn't mind if they trimmed the fat down a little bit with the 3rd game.

 

[Lahey]

I didn't find it hardcore at all honestly. It was nearly identical to nu-com aside from ammo scarcity, which itself was only troublesome due to laughably unbalanced weapons. Jamming was easily removed with easy-to-find mods, and party size wasn't an issue since most if not all party members would just hug cover and shoot anyway. I think the problem with WL2's combat (aside from horrendous balance) was simply that there was far too much of it in an already overlong game, and that it never pressured the player to adopt new tactics with inspired encounter/map design.

 

[Zombra]

I disagree that modding out weapon jams speaks to a good design. Wait, later on I figured out what the hell you were talking about, but still.

Weapon jamming in W2 was fine really ... except with heavy weapons since it counted per-shot and HW were crap to begin with.