What are some RPG's that reward you for being a low-level at a certain part?

[Lilura]

Did wotc work closely with them when they were making this? It came out like a month after 3.5e books were published

You might need to ask Roguey , I'm not the authority on dev cycles. I may have read somewhere that Troika were forced to change ToEE from 3.0 to 3.5 late in the dev cycle, and I have seen traces of D&D 3.0 in the files.

 

[Lhynn]

The truth hurts.

Its a retarded statement and you know it.

 

[Roguey]

Did wotc work closely with them when they were making this? It came out like a month after 3.5e books were published

You might need to ask Roguey , I'm not the authority on dev cycles. I may have read somewhere that Troika were forced to change ToEE from 3.0 to 3.5 late in the dev cycle, and I have seen traces of D&D 3.0 in the files.

They took it upon themselves so they could have more time. From the post-mortem

About one full year into the schedule, we amended the deal to add two additional months to update the rules to 3.5 Edition D&D and add additional content, which put us at an August 1, 2003 completion. We delivered the final product on August 30, so we came in ultimately at almost one full month late.

I think our decision to add two months to the schedule was critical to the development of the game, not only for adding the 3.5 rules into the engine, but for the extra time it gave us to polish our art, add in the tutorial and put in all the encounters and try to balance them.

 

[Lilura]

Its a retarded statement and you know it.

No, it isn't. And YOU know it. However, I don't want to argue about popamoles, least of all Elder Scrolls ones.

 

[Lhynn]

No, it isn't. And YOU know it. However, I don't want to argue about popamoles, least of all Elder Scrolls ones.

Jesus, you have gotten even dumber since the last time we argued.

Spending 5 minutes hitting the same enemy you killed in 2 strikes 40 levels ago because the enemy scales to your level is just crap. Oblivion is quite simply the worse of the elder scrolls.
Also Morrowind, despite of your uninformed opinion, is not a bad game.

 

[Higher Game]

Ogre Battle. Come at me bros.

 

[deuxhero]

In Morrowind Caius calls you a noob and gives you some money to go train with if you talk to him and too low a level.

On the reward side, a few of the trainers he directs you to will also give you gifts if you go to them before leveling up a lot.

 

[Lilura]

If you insist on arguing...

Spending 5 minutes hitting the same enemy you killed in 2 strikes 40 levels ago because the enemy scales to your level is just crap.

Get gud? My point was that its level scaling unwittingly keeps the "challenge" up, not that it isn't crap. Morrowind is challengeless and Skyrim loses all challenge after the first few levels (because its scaling is capped).

Oblivion is quite simply the worse of the elder scrolls.

It's actually the least worst.

 

[Yosharian]

In FF8, there's an actual strategy that involves 'carding' enemies in order to gain no xp at all from fights, thus allowing you to eventually reach the last disc at something like level 7, whereupon you can start leveling up except with double attribute gains, resulting in massively overpowered characters once you're finished. And the game is actually easier to run through while you're low level because enemies scale with your level, while the magic you gain provides static bonuses.

Of course, FF8 isn't an RPG, so it doesn't really fit your criteria...

 

[Lhynn]

My point was that its level scaling unwittingly keeps the "challenge" up

Wrong, its not more challenging, it just takes longer.

Morrowind is challengeless and Skyrim loses all challenge after the first few levels (because its scaling is capped).

A thing being challenging isnt inherently good, there are well designed challenges and poorly designed ones, ill take no challenge over a whole game of poorly designed ones.

It's actually the least worst.

This is wrong, but arguing with you is the equivalent of arguing with the average redditor. Think what you will.

 

[Yosharian]

Oblivion > Morrowind + Skyrim because its level scaling keeps "the challenge" up.

A women

 

[Lhynn]

In nwn you would get more exp the stronger the enemy compared to you. That meant that leveling up diminished the experience gain, so not leveling up was a great way of racking up exp.

 

[Skdursh]

Basically all of them. I can't think of a single RPG that is more enjoyable at higher levels than they are at the beginning, with the possible exception of getting out of that very first level.

Bro, do you even RPG? Arx Fatalis, Dragon's Dogma, Gothic 1 & 2, Mount and Blade, Might and Magic VI/VII/VIII, Geneforge series, Kenshi and most DND based games in general... There are many, many RPGs that start out kind of "meh" and get really, really enjoyable once you start to acquire more power.

 

[Lilura]

In nwn you would get more exp the stronger the enemy compared to you. That meant that leveling up diminished the experience gain, so not leveling up was a great way of racking up exp.

Wrong again. You can't level squat in NWN or NWN2. You can only level squat in IWD2 and ToEE.

 

[Sykar]

, unless stats requirements prevent you from using it. Bad design is an item being useless as by the you get the necessary stats, there is generally better loot, i.e. the item being useless even if you go through the hassle of getting it at a lower level.

This made me rage in Diablo 2:

That it only gave +1 to barb levels?

 

[DalekFlay]

Spending 5 minutes hitting the same enemy you killed in 2 strikes 40 levels ago because the enemy scales to your level is just crap. Oblivion is quite simply the worse of the elder scrolls.

Even if you use OOO to mod the scaling into something acceptable it's still the worst Elder Scrolls game since the setting is so bland, the faces so ugly and the dialog so atrocious. I'd even say it's the worst Bethesda game, since Fallout 3 beats it by a smidge I guess.

Note I never played Arena.

 

[Lhynn]

Wrong again. You can't level squat in NWN or NWN2. You can only level squat in IWD2 and ToEE.

Perhaps i am, i remember it happening in every server i played in. So maybe it was a problem in a certain patch or because it added a certain pack.

 

[Lilura]

Perhaps i am, i remember it happening in every server i played in. So maybe it was a problem in a certain patch or because it added a certain pack.

Or perhaps, you know, you're just flat-out fucking wrong as usual?

 

[Lhynn]

Or perhaps, you know, you're just flat-out fucking wrong as usual?

Stop being so buttmad and retarded Lilura, you sound more and more like a woman.
The most probable cause was that because they had custom xp rates the script that gave you the exp tracked your current level, instead of the experience you had accumulated.

 

[Lilura]

Mods don't count. You were wrong. Just admit it.

 

[Lhynn]

Mods don't count. You were wrong. Just admit it.

Perhaps i am.

The only dumbfuck around here that has a problem acknowledging when they made a mistake is you.

 

[Lilura]

What happened to you, Lhynn ? You used to be such a good sport.

 

[The_Mask]

Dark Souls rewards you constantly for being at a lower lvl, by simply being more punishing.

Academagia sometimes rewards you with a higher bonus when you pass a skill check with a very low-trained skill, and when you end a scenario, you get a stat boost that will make it easier for you to train some skills later to pass the exams.

I'm not sure it counts, but NEO Scavenger does reward you with superior eye-sight if you start with myopia, and you make it all the way to the hospital (and have the cash for it).




I can't think of anything else, it's very late here.

 

[Lhynn]

What happened to you, Lhynn ? You used to be such a good sport.

My alignment shifted to lawful evil.

 

[Cat Dude]

I don't know if fallout 2 is supposed to be hard or if my character sucked, but back when i played F2 years ago, i was dying in every random encounter and also triggering random encounters on every step in the world map.

It was the very definition of reload simulator.

Nah all RTWP games are reload simulators.