What happened to "mature" art direction? Everything is Overwatch now

[n0denz]

Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky have explicitly stated this movie was one of the biggest influences on Fallout visually.

edit: That's an unofficial trailer

I never heard that before, but it's cool to know. CoLC is one of my favorite movies.

 

[n0denz]

Pretty much my mindset too, though I wont staunchly defend it as I've not seen anywhere close to it all, especially more modern anime as it is indeed effeminate as hell.
You have a top ten? Maybe you have something for me. I haven't watched anything in years and I surely missed a genuine classic or two in this area.

1. Akira
2. Cyber City: File 2
3. Nausicaa: Valley of the Wind
4. Ninja Scroll
5. Avatar: The Last Airbender (arguably not anime but whatever)
6. Appleseed
7. Dorohedoro
8. Castle in the Sky
9. Fist of the North Star
10. Ghost in the Shell SAC

In no particular order:
1. Kekkai Sensen/Blood Blockade Battlefront
2. Trigun
3. Gungrave
4. Blame!
5. Last Exile
6. Black Lagoon
7. Girls' Last Tour
8. VOTOMS
9. Space Battleship Yamato 2199
10. Uchouten Kazoku (Eccentric Family)

Also, badass that you liked Dorohedoro too. Have you read the manga? Chainsaw Man is another good one with a similar tone.

 

[deuxhero]

Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky have explicitly stated this movie was one of the biggest influences on Fallout visually.

edit: That's an unofficial trailer

I never heard that before, but it's cool to know. CoLC is one of my favorite movies.

How did you not recognize Lou's monocle?

 

[n0denz]

Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky have explicitly stated this movie was one of the biggest influences on Fallout visually.

edit: That's an unofficial trailer

I never heard that before, but it's cool to know. CoLC is one of my favorite movies.

How did you not recognize Lou's monocle?

Mechanical monocles are pretty standard nowadays. Though I can see the resemblance between Lou and the fat cyclops.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky have explicitly stated this movie was one of the biggest influences on Fallout visually.

edit: That's an unofficial trailer

I never heard that before, but it's cool to know. CoLC is one of my favorite movies.

It comes up in the GDC retrospective Tim Cain did a while back now.

 

[LabRat]

I feel like some of adult content from western modern writers is a parody of Netflix's Game of Thrones, Old Man Logan or The Dark Knight Returns, and maybe filled with whedonesque dialogue. What they call the dark and serious is more like the protagonist always act like an emo, getting his ass kicked constantly and fails at every turn, and spent more time whining and crying than fighting. This is actually more stupid and childish than a saturday morning cartoon.

 

[Hell Swarm]

But they're not gonna start impulsively doing anything sexual

Kids don't understand boundaries and lots of parents have to tell their kids to take their hand out of their pants or catch them playing "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" and march them home/punish them for it. They're curious about boys and girls being different and given the chance they will try to find out with each other. It's why parents have to talk to their kids about what is appopriate as well as warn them not to let adults engage with them in that way.

But yes, sex and violence are at the core of the human experience. It's stupid to deny either, and moreover, I don't think you can create truly beautiful art without them.

There's plenty of beauty in nature an artist can capture. I've seen far more sunsets I would call beautiful than I have violent things.

Also don't forget that back in the day games could be cartoony AND brutal at the same time (Heart of Darkness death animations, Abe's Oddysee death animations)

Heart of darkness is fucking brutal, even by today's standards it has some really nasty deaths. One of the few games to get under my skin with it's violence.

You can't compare sexuality to violence without having a grading system or it ends up in an arms race to the extreme. Exposing a kid to TMNT is more extreme than a kid seeing a naked woman statue from ancient Rome. But TMNT is less extreme than going to liveleak and seeing a cartel rape and murder. I wouldn't mind if my son at age 10-12 wanted to play the SNES Mortal Kombats, but I wouldn't let them touch a modern MK game. Like wise I don't care if a kid says Damn, Bugger or Arse hole. But I don't want them shouting Fuck, Cunt and Nigger in public. If you want to decide what is/isn't mature content it has to come with the context. Violence used sparingly is very mature but violence spammed is very immature.

 

[Hydro]

I wouldn't mind if my son at age 10-12 wanted to play the SNES Mortal Kombats, but I wouldn't let them touch a modern MK game.

Why tho? Old MKs literally being photorealistic evoke a much stronger response than the modern 3D that is strongly associated with gamey aesthetics.

 

[Hell Swarm]

I wouldn't mind if my son at age 10-12 wanted to play the SNES Mortal Kombats, but I wouldn't let them touch a modern MK game.

Why tho? Old MKs literally being photorealistic evoke a much stronger response than the modern 3D that is strongly associated with gamey aesthetics.

I don't think stuff like this is suitable for kids. Old MK is no where near as detailed or brutal as being stabbed in the gut and hacked in half or smashed into photo realistic body parts.

 

[Ash]

Old MK was pretty brutal too. It's the camera angle swaps, the close-ups, slow-mo + other "cinematic" effects, and the extended duration (old ones were brief) that makes it extreme and tasteless here. Indeed, I would rather kids play the originals too.

 

[Hell Swarm]

Old MK was pretty brutal too. It's the camera angle swaps, the close-ups, slow-mo + other "cinematic" effects, and the extended duration (old ones were brief) that makes it extreme and tasteless here. Indeed, I would rather kids play the originals too.

Most of them are a single hit and then the head flies off. It's nothing like the current stuff. The Pit and maybe the burning ones are the only really objectionable ones IMO

 

[Haba]

Where is the modern "Soldier of Fortune"? Gay world.

 

[boot]

King Arthur: Knight's Tale.

I tried this and found it overly simplistic and easy with small party size and lacking customization.

I'm also not a fan of the grimdark style. Everyone says knights and chivalry are cliché but I can't think of a single property since Excalibur that actually plays it straight. Everything is a subvsersion, everything is an 'alternate take.' No one really wants to do medieval romance like 'The Song of Roland', even 500 years ago Cervantes thought knights were a joke.

I want an unstoppable hero killing 1000 Saracens before falling on his sword. I want Orlando going insane and Astolfo flying a hippogriff to recover his wits from the moon. Basically I want something like The Last Samurai for the west, that romanticizes the shit out of knights and chivalry. But no one even tries because they think it would be hokey and dumb. Maybe it's all Monty Python's fault, and this is an over correction.

I like your words, man. Mayhaps a game like that may be made one day.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

makes it extreme and tasteless here.

Oh gtfo
The Fatality and Brutalities are probably about the only thing about current MK that still retain the spirit of the original games

 

[Ash]

I never cared for the original games. It's all shit to me, it's just the older ones weren't overly edgy. Just plain old edgy.

I like violence and gore best when it is attached to something awesome. So...not 2D fighters

 

[DJOGamer PT]

weren't overly edgy.

Just plain old edgy.

 

[Gilius Thunderhead]

weren't overly edgy.

Just plain old edgy.

It's the difference between Roman era pornography and modern HD porn. Maybe the intention is the same, but the process involved is different, as is the effect.

 

[TedNugent]

Pretty much my mindset too, though I wont staunchly defend it as I've not seen anywhere close to it all, especially more modern anime as it is indeed effeminate as hell.
You have a top ten? Maybe you have something for me. I haven't watched anything in years and I surely missed a genuine classic or two in this area.

1. Akira
2. Cyber City: File 2
3. Nausicaa: Valley of the Wind
4. Ninja Scroll
5. Avatar: The Last Airbender (arguably not anime but whatever)
6. Appleseed
7. Dorohedoro
8. Castle in the Sky
9. Fist of the North Star
10. Ghost in the Shell SAC

In no particular order:
1. Kekkai Sensen/Blood Blockade Battlefront
2. Trigun
3. Gungrave
4. Blame!
5. Last Exile
6. Black Lagoon
7. Girls' Last Tour
8. VOTOMS
9. Space Battleship Yamato 2199
10. Uchouten Kazoku (Eccentric Family)

Also, badass that you liked Dorohedoro too. Have you read the manga? Chainsaw Man is another good one with a similar tone.

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

Original Mortal Kombat also has cartoony giant globules of blood. They had photo scans of actors. But they weren’t even kind of trying to make the blood look real. They get even more cartoony in Mortal Kombat 2 and 3.

Like they could’ve done the blood spray more as a mist (like Primal Rage did) and it would’ve looked more “real” than the ketchup blood the original games had.

The kills also weren’t even half as graphic as what they do in the new games. Some of the Fatalities in the first game are things you probably saw as a kid before Mortal Kombat in non R rated movies like Temple of Doom and the 1989 Batman.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

It's the difference between Roman era pornography and modern HD porn.

Lol
The new kill cams make no effort to be overly realistic - if anything, because of the advancement of graphic tech they had to make the motions and reactions of characters far more exagerated, even the "mechanical" behaviour of various body parts and blood is closer to cartoons like Happy Tree Friends than it is to anything irl
The end result is the violence most of the times looks even more silly than the originals, only people with a stick up their ass cannot find this shit ridiculous

Also if something is "plain", then by definition it can't be "edgy"

 

[Hell Swarm]

The end result is the violence most of the times looks even more silly than the originals, only people with a stick up their ass cannot find this shit ridiculous

There's a difference between meat spin and seeing a chink worker being dragged into some machinery. It doesn't matter how ridiculous it looks, it matters that it's pushing the limits for no purpose or reason and hence edgy. And if you keep being edgy forever it becomes ordinary, like sonic OCs with guns and a leather jacket is both edgy and ordinary.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

The levels of boomerism about this non-issue is quite amusing and would've been unheard of in this forum pre-covid
TLoU2 "pushes" the limits, Dead Space 1 pushed the limits - the violence of MK games since 9 is in comparasion tamer because it's intention is to be funny and exaggerated, not shocking and as such the logic behind is the same of cartoon violence

 

[Semiurge]

Why people are getting dumber? They have worldwide libraries full of knowledge a click away.

Labor and genetics.

We import all our labor from genetically deficient countries with lower IQs. Their paymasters and the government don't want conflict from inequality, so we dumb down everyone to make Obongo Matombe feel better about his bad grades and future Walmart job. This applies to every form of media now, where we can't even show accurate history in games or TV because it might make someone feel not "included" (read: unwilling to fight in WW3 for a country they hate).

We're sleepwalking into Communism-lite - and for Americans without that comfortable socialism stage, where you still get free healthcare and corruption hasn't broken the system yet.

In addition to all that there's this new culture that encourages social activity at the cost of proper cognitive development, with new technology to aid it. The sociality is in direct competition with education and other solitary intellectual pursuits, and today's children are exposed to its addictive nature very early. Everything they interact with will directly influence their cognitive development, and instead of books and stories told they get smart phones which keep them from reaching their full potential. It's a device that provides instant endorphin rewards for social exposure and activities.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Edginess and try hard is a sign of immaturity.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

Yeah that's kinda the point of MK
It being juvenile has always been part of its appeal