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Which RPG has the deepest, most fun tactical combat you have ever seen? (presumably TB)
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Nutmeg
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The whole combat system is based around switching characters in and out so you can keep them alive and stack buffs and debuffs and effectively pass turns from one character to another. Here's an example combat:
You can see the form change command being used multiple times (including two times one right after the other, to get one of the character's passives I believe) to execute the necessary strategy for a quick win, and the strategy is very well thought out making it look easy, but it isn't -- when playing the game blind, boss fights will often result in a loss the first few attempts before you finally find a strategy that lets you slog out a win. I remember fights taking me over 10 minutes and most of my team dying.
If you do end up playing the game, make sure to play on hard-mode which forces you to play bosses below a par level (in this game, you can level your characters down at will, and then back up to the max their XP allows at any time), otherwise what's the point?
Sreggin Etah I
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damn even the enemies are lolis? wtf
Shaki
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JA2 1.13 + sevenfm AI, is so far ahead of anything else, that it makes threads like this completely pointless.
goregasm
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Deepest would most likely be something like CDDA to me with all of the shit you have to manage, though I wouldn't necessarily call it fun (also, is that even an RPG?)
Most fun is hard to pin down, I have enjoyed everything from Ultima to some of the newer shit, I guess the OG tactics ogre and Shining Force, got a high spot for me just due to nostalgia.
Most fun is hard to pin down, I have enjoyed everything from Ultima to some of the newer shit, I guess the OG tactics ogre and Shining Force, got a high spot for me just due to nostalgia.
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why does labyrinth of teehee have to look the way that it looks
OttoQuitmarck
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The fuck you from if WW2 is somehow not relevant for your country? Everyone in the world was involved practically. You from fucking nepal?
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WW2 does get somewhat stale at some point.
What does sevenfm AI do?
JA2 has very limited encounter design, and is too much about who has the longest reach, to be a contender.
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Damage and noise system, on the other hand, are deep.
Holy fucking shit you have no taste, go kill yourself
Dadd
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Extremely clunky udder trash
Dadd
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Can't think of anything deep about the damage and noise systems, they're more convoluted and unfinished; they're deeper than most other games, since most games don't even try to model wounds and noise.
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Both still add some depth to standard roguelike move-to-attack or (F) to fire weapon- systems.
A little nitpick - there are several guys working on Underrail, not only Styg.
Colony ship isn't solo endeavor either.
I guess this'll be considered major heresy around here, but I actually prefer 7.62 High Calibre to Jagged Alliance 2, since I find the combat to be far more demanding and complex in larger battles due to it NOT being turn based. the unpredictability of real time AI movement and the "time cost" of actions down to split seconds make the combat encounters far more stressful (in a positive way) to me than the "safety" of turn based combat with its planning phase.
as far as turn based games go, Wizardry 8 and its direct predecessors are my go-to combat games. Knights of the Chalice is also excellent. I have KotC 2 installed, but I've actually never started playing it.
as far as turn based games go, Wizardry 8 and its direct predecessors are my go-to combat games. Knights of the Chalice is also excellent. I have KotC 2 installed, but I've actually never started playing it.
jackofshadows
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Deep - Silent Storm I guess or 7.62. I think JA2 is overrated in that regard although that is a fun game for sure.
Fun - BG3 actually, too bad it's way too fucking easy otherwise.
Fun - BG3 actually, too bad it's way too fucking easy otherwise.
Betrayal at Krondor's combat is deep (cool magic system, weapon and armor degradation, important stamina meter etc.) but it also stays fun to do in as much as it doesn't take up too much of your game time; you either will beat your enemy to a pulp or the opposite will happen. Also the animations are kept to a minimum so stuff just happens as quickly as quickly as you can click. Compare this to another combat system like Realms of Arkania which is also deep and whilst I like a lot, the combat takes a lot of time and goes so slowly in comparison. Numbers of characters also influences the fun as well; whilst it is cool to have 8 characters to tinker with, it is also laborious in combat, particularly when there are so many stats to keep in mind and probabilities on spell success etc..
I like the combat of T-JRPGs like Shining force, Fire Emblem, Tactics Ogre and Langrisser but in those games everything is structured entirely around the combat to the detriment of all other RPG aspects. I have often felt that perhaps D&D style spatial combat systems (something like the Gold Box games or even more recent things like Temple of Elemental Evil) would have been better enhanced if formed like those games but with branches between battles depending on discrete choices of which direction your party chooses to go in (probably would feel more tabletop like as well) and then visual novel / adventure game like interactions with NPCs.
And as much as I like Wizardry and it's clones, you are not playing it for the combat in itself, but for how that combat interacts with the exploration system.
I like the combat of T-JRPGs like Shining force, Fire Emblem, Tactics Ogre and Langrisser but in those games everything is structured entirely around the combat to the detriment of all other RPG aspects. I have often felt that perhaps D&D style spatial combat systems (something like the Gold Box games or even more recent things like Temple of Elemental Evil) would have been better enhanced if formed like those games but with branches between battles depending on discrete choices of which direction your party chooses to go in (probably would feel more tabletop like as well) and then visual novel / adventure game like interactions with NPCs.
And as much as I like Wizardry and it's clones, you are not playing it for the combat in itself, but for how that combat interacts with the exploration system.
fun? yeah
complex? nope
But wasted on the worst encounter design in the history of CRPGs. Truly an idiot savant amongst CRPGs.
Still, it was good enough that I completed the game.
Nutmeg
Arcane
What was bad about it?
Every encounter is only against one type of enemy, and they are all melee type enemies. Like Chandler Bing (RIP) would have said: "could it be less variation?".
Nutmeg
Arcane
So the enjoyment is in killing them efficiently? Not bad not great, par on course for the genre.
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