Official RPG Codex Discord Server

  1. Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.
    Dismiss Notice

Why psions are so rare in RPG's?

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Meredoth, Aug 24, 2021.

  1. Apostle Hand Arbiter Possibly Retarded

    Apostle Hand
    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2018
    Messages:
    1,097
    Location:
    Mordor
    cuz they are shit class
     
    • No No x 2
    • retadred retadred x 1
    • Shit Shit x 1
    ^ Top  
  2. J1M Arcane

    J1M
    Joined:
    May 14, 2008
    Messages:
    12,733
    Maybe the popularity of the Alchemist is to blame. They have psion abilities that might be confusing to players like poison flask, poison weapon, etc.
     
    ^ Top  
  3. mondblut Arcane

    mondblut
    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2005
    Messages:
    20,642
    Location:
    Ingrija
    Like 5e is any better.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 2
    • Yes Yes x 1
    • Prestigious Prestigious x 1
    ^ Top  
  4. SoupNazi rial billionaire Patron

    SoupNazi
    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2010
    Messages:
    5,093
    Location:
    DX:HR Fanboy Central
    Strap Yourselves In Serpent in the Staglands
    Did I say it is? Or even imply as much?
     
    ^ Top  
  5. JamesDixon Dumbfuck! Patron Dumbfuck

    JamesDixon
    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2015
    Messages:
    5,926
    Location:
    In the Adventure Master's Lair on Malignost
    Strap Yourselves In
    I'm going to have to say that psionics in fantasy is a rather hard sell. It's not due to the existence of them, but the fact that to most people it doesn't fit thematically. The only fantasy world I've seen that did it right was Dark Sun.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 2
    ^ Top  
  6. mondblut Arcane

    mondblut
    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2005
    Messages:
    20,642
    Location:
    Ingrija
    You, not. The other guy quoted the props for youtube reality show like a gospel.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    ^ Top  
  7. Storyfag Perfidious Pole Patron

    Storyfag
    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2011
    Messages:
    11,726
    Location:
    A Dark Place
    Objectively, it is better. Slightly. Granted, this is no great feat, as just about any random turd is better than 4e.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    ^ Top  
  8. mondblut Arcane

    mondblut
    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2005
    Messages:
    20,642
    Location:
    Ingrija
    4e is a dumb tabletop port of mmo games.

    5e is props for dumb YouTube shows.

    As much as I despise the former, I still find it more reliable source than the later. At least they still tried to release actual books.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Nuke it from orbit Nuke it from orbit x 1
    • :M :M x 1
    ^ Top  
  9. Fluent Erudite Patron The Real Fanboy

    Fluent
    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2021
    Messages:
    765
    Dark Sun did Psions well. You can use a lot of oddball skills and abilities. The Metabolics branch had neat stuff such as augmenting your armor or weapon and grafting it onto your body for a bonus. Then there was Telepathic stuff like stunning an enemy or enemies for multiple turns depending on the strength of your Psionics. In my opinion, it's good to have Psionics because it adds more skills and usable abilities, which can always be a good thing. I think it's not used much because magic itself is more popular and is used as a "catch-all" for interesting effects. But any game that uses Psionics can also use it wisely to do slightly different things that can also be interesting. Just my 2, heh. Cheers! :)
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 2
    ^ Top  
  10. Cryomancer Arcane Glory to Ukraine

    Cryomancer
    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2019
    Messages:
    7,430
    Location:
    Plane of Ice
    Anyone here who played KoTC2 can detail how psionics are in KoTC2 and how different they are to magic?
     
    ^ Top  
  11. Dorateen Arcane

    Dorateen
    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2012
    Messages:
    3,949
    Location:
    The Crystal Mist Mountains
    As I understand it, Psionics use power points instead of spell memorization, there are food items that restore a character's power points, and the range of abilities and effects for psionics can be quite powerful. KotC2 has a breathtaking amount of feats and magic selection for all classes, and Pierre is a fan of psionics so I think there are a number of out of combat options made available in Augury of Chaos, as well.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 2
    • nice nice x 1
    ^ Top  
  12. KeighnMcDeath RPG Codex Boomer

    KeighnMcDeath
    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2016
    Messages:
    7,098
    Anyone recall the ki rules in the OA / KARA-TUR?

    Is this about tabletop and/or CRPGS?

    I believe Centauri Alliance used psionics. It probably used the same sp/max sp system which is like mana pools rather than vancian. I couldn't say what games used psionics in a vancian way.

    I bet other systems like Gurps, Palladium, Cyberpunk, etc used psionicss. I was hoping to see a listing and whether it was vancian, psion pool, or a skill check or something else.
     
    ^ Top  
  13. JamesDixon Dumbfuck! Patron Dumbfuck

    JamesDixon
    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2015
    Messages:
    5,926
    Location:
    In the Adventure Master's Lair on Malignost
    Strap Yourselves In
    There weren't any ki rules in OA/Kara-Tur to make a full fledged system. Instead they just declared certain abilities to use ki and that was it.
     
    ^ Top  
  14. DraQ Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

    DraQ
    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2007
    Messages:
    32,825
    Location:
    Chrząszczyżewoszyce, powiat Łękołody
    The only good way to possibly incorporate something like psionics in a fantasy RPG is merging it with monks (coincidentally wizardry...).
    Of course that leaves the open question of whether martial arts monks even fit the setting (and are adventure-viable), but either works better married to the other one than as standalone.
    Being wonderful little snowflake that can kung-flufu shit to death with your Rosie Palms that other need magical weapons and WMD grade magic to deal with is much easier to swallow if you actually have to employ a kind of magic to do so, and just focusing hard at stuff to melt its brain works better if it comes bundled with a life of monastic ascetics and rigorous exercise.
     
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2021
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top  

As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.