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Why Risen 2 is shit?

Discussion in 'Piranha Bytes' started by Supermedo, Sep 2, 2014.

  1. cvv Arcane Patron

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    That's why it was eery.
     
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  2. adddeed Arcane Possibly Retarded

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    I agree with most of what you said. However i really njoyed the pirate atmosphere. And yes i enjoyed Risen 2 more than The Witcher 2.
     
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    Gothic 3 is awful even with the fan patches.
     
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  4. Metro Arcane Beg Auditor

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    Probably brain damage. I found the controls in G1 and G2 quite responsive.
     
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  5. Mastermind Cognito Elite Material Patron Bethestard

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    Well I don't have brain damage so I can't imagine that my character moves when I press a button if it doesn't actually move. To each his own I guess.
     
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  6. Lord Andre Arcane

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    Well you see, the fact that you can't change your mind mid-swing and press a button for something else to immediately happen is a simulation of physics like momentum, inertia etc. It's not a design flaw, it's a feature. You have to plan before mashing buttons...
     
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  7. bloodlover Arcane

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    Risen wasn't really that "piratey" tbh. I was expecting to be able to navigate between the islands by myself, recruit a crew, have a captain's cabin, maybe hunt some sea creatures etc. All of this being optional of course but it would have been a welcomed touch to the pirate thing. Not to mention that the combat was very poorly balanced. Muskets were op as hell while magic was useless.
     
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  8. 1451 Seeker In My Safe Space

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    Risen 2 had shit writing, there was no Gothic 2 humour there. Only retardation in the form of swearing. Fighting was actually good, weapons offered a nice alternative to bows. Sword fighting had some nice moments and the categorizations of swords to piercing and slashing gave the player the chance to choose a fighting style.

    The main quest was firm, no dead or boring moments thanks to some nice but easily foreseeable twists.

    It's greatest weakness was the lack of an open world and the absolute horrid side quests. Partly in fault is the absence of factions, but I believe they could override this design choice by expanding the possibilities of silver tongue and intimidation over the narrow aspects of getting more gold.

    Overall it's the start of pb's decline, the rolling stands as a lighthouse showing the road to a place of dread, called Arcania. What ultimately broke it for Gothic fans is the Mass Effect obsession. The companions, the crew of misfits, the travelling on a world map akin of jrpgs showed their intention of attending to the needs of another crowd. This utter betrayal is far worse any pirate could do.
     
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  9. cvv Arcane Patron

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    The magic definitely isn't useless if you don't try to max all stats at once. If you ignore firearms and put enough points in voodoo then the game is basically a cakewalk. Playing with 8+ voodoo is even a bigger faceroll than with muskets. Slapping a boss with a strong curse and making him your total bitch is very hilarious.


    I found the writing ok, had a couple good laughs. Definitely miles better than most German games. The overall plot was of course idiotic and juvenile, as is an honored tradition in the genre.

    And agreed about the combat, lots of people shit all over it but with the patch is actually not half bad. Only the slashing/piercing thing doesn't make much sense because it's only cosmetic. Enemies are not more vulnerable/resistant to one type of damage or the other.

    Definitely. It was a huge shift from the hardcore, uber-open world RPG of Gothic 3 to the mass effecty/assassin's creedy simplified semi-third person action adventure that is Risen 2.
     
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  10. bloodlover Arcane

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    When it comes to combat, most people go for the more powerful stuff (unless we are talking about very strict personal preferences) and that's why muskets were the obvious choice. And they were available earlier than voodoo if I am not mistaken. If you really wanted to play like that, you'd still have to go with muskets or swords until reaching that point in the story but by then most people, seeing how good the musket were, made up their minds.

    Then again, Gothic 2 had the same problem, at least as far as I got into the game. Spamming arrows was more accessible and came earlier in the game than magic. But like in Risen, unless you are planning to play a specific character, giving up on easy killing is not something many people are willing to do.
     
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  11. 1451 Seeker In My Safe Space

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    Fireball scrolls in G2 offered a significant advantage in difficult early battles. Risen 2 removed altogether the usefulness of magic leaving only one option, a reskinned bow.
    This is another problem of the new pb, in the process of streamlining their games they removed the good parts of old pb games leaving the new stuff to row the boat. New stuff that in reality was old stuff of commercially successful console games. They stopped caring about creating a game they wanted like From Software does currently and started making games that would please an elusive demographic.
     
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  12. Gnidrologist CONDUCTOR

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    Playing this right now for the first time. Yugely immersed. I read all the criticism of it and agree to some extent, but i can't help but enjoy this game. I haven't played any Piranha bytes game for ages and this being a fresh for me, is very entertaining.

    The bad shit people here tell is combat and linear levels. There is some truth. Combat outside of humanoid fencing is basically spam-spam. Although at the level i am (still on the first island with no skills) it's quite interesting combining with using Patty as a decoy and then shooting or piercing shit to death. Just now defeated The Guardian in one of the temples having no skill in anything from the 5th or 6th try, by decoying Patty then shooting the shotgun as much times as i could and shot him with the last srtraw shot before he would hit me dead after Patty already succumbed. Was very satisfying. Reminded me of one of the old Gothic heavy battles. I guess it will all go downwards, when i up my skills and become monster myself.
    Yes, i don't like rolling around ground like a bellend, but it is what it is. Some of the Gothic mechanics were just as silly and clunky so i can't have juch hate in it.

    The second most heard critique was linear world. I wouldn't say it's linear, but it's certainly not "flat land" open ended as it was in first Gothics or Elder Scrolls games. It reminds me of the addon world in Gothic II, where you also met with pirates, went to swamp or valleys and so on. It's not completely without alternate routes, but it's more like hub based. It is more linear, but tbh i don't consider "open world" as a merit in itself. If game can provide interesting exploration in more narrowed down environment, it's still good.

    So this leads to the last part. What i really like about this game is a hark back to Gothic goodness of exploring very interesting world and enjoying rthe atmosphere. The atmosphere is very "homely" just like on Gothics. You just want to go and sniff any nook and cranny even if there is only a bottle of grog there. It's just the same style of level design and addictive exploring that i liked about the early Piranha games. Besides the average loot chests you still get to find some great items, IF you go to every fucking cave, hill and weird crack in the cliffs and looking around every corner and into every pit. Exploring the shit out of the game is still very rewarding. I know it's simplistic, but very good for instant gratification dopamine. :lol:

    In the end i really like the protagonist, who is kinda low key, but he has a lot of people to interact with. There are very many characters, most of them seem usual down to earth people just doing their jobs, like in Gothic games. Dialogues are mostly just okay/b;and, but well and realistically executed, while some npcs to various degree give a nice color the game. It's good balance between 'epic' shit and mundane reality.
    The sounds, graphics and music are great. Don't thin anyone could have problems in that.

    tl;dr
    I'm old and starting to like shit casual games. :?

    edit. excuse me for all the bad spelling, i wont be fixing that lol [​IMG]
     
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  13. cvv Arcane Patron

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    That's your problem right there.

    The first island is actually not bad. But it goes downhill from there real fast. You'll see.

    For more info read my take on the pros and cons and the real problems of this game.
     
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  14. Gnidrologist CONDUCTOR

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    I will rather not and experience them first hand. Then report.:)
    (i read all the criticism in the years, when game came out anyway-now just trying to enjoy something as i haven't touched any nu-game seriously for years)
    edit: actually read your post, which is why i post in this thread; okay, will see ;/
     
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  15. cvv Arcane Patron

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    My point was

    And then I go on explaining why none of this is the case and afterwards listing the real problems of the game.

    But again, enjoy while you can, the next island is p. good too but the rest is just horribly linear, terrible and sad.
     
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  16. retinoid Learned

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    Risen 1 was good, but it fell off the deep end in the second half and went to near shit. I know Risen 2 and 3 aren't held in as high esteem as the first game, but which of the two sequels is considered better? I have vague memories of one of them being considered dogshit and the other as competent, but can't remember which.
     
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  17. cvv Arcane Patron

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    Risen 1 falls "off the deep end" not in the second half but in the endgame. Which is p. much the case for every single PB game including G1 and G2.

    Risen 2 is a decline but the game still has some heart and soul, at least in the first half. The 2nd half is a joke, more like a linear action adventure than a traditional PB open-world RPG.

    Risen 3 is completely soulless, disinterested cash grab. It doesn't turn into a completely different game in the second half like R2 does, the level design is more consistent, but the game just sucks your will to live dry so the endgame is still shit.
     
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  18. Falksi Arcane

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    Thoroughly enjoyed both Witcher 2 & Risen 2

    This to me is an example of why Risen 2 is so good......



    .....sexism, racism, and toilet humour.
     
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  19. adddeed Arcane Possibly Retarded

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    Risen 2 is way too much fun.
    Idiots just like to complain.
    As ive said before, Risen Trilogy > Gothic Trilogy, no contest.
     
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    Since it was necro'd...

    Having first played it about a year ago and replayed it a few months ago, the game has its charms. It's just very different from the usual PB fare. If Risen 2 was developed as a separate game or by a different studio, it'd be a pretty good game. It definitely is missing some depth, but it has its moments.

    The combat system starts really whack, but by the time you learn some of the melee skills you can get some solid swashbuckling action with kicks, parries, counter attacks, and I was a fan of the dirty tricks in concept (most of them end up being not great, but there was some definite untapped potential.) I also liked how fluid combat between humanoids can be.

    Guns were busted, but it was one of *few* games that had a fucking bayonet.

    Magic was disappointing, and from what I can tell pretty underdeveloped -- something they fixed pretty well in Risen 3, IMO.

    The dialog/writing was good though, and there were some pretty good jokes!

    It's not Gothic, it's not Risen 1 or even Risen 3, but if you're willing to play it on its own merits it's not a bad game -- it's just a bad sequel to R1 and Gothic 1/2.

    Also, dunno wtf they were thinking with Patty's character. I guess in a way she's a meta-joke -- shrill obnoxious "independent, strong" woman who only berates you and can't do shit on her own.
     
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  22. adddeed Arcane Possibly Retarded

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    It goes like this:

    Risen 1 > Risen 2 = Gothic 1 > Risen 3 > Gothic 2 >>>>>>>>>>>> Gothic 3.

    Facts.
     
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  23. Gnidrologist CONDUCTOR

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    She's obviously some feminist thrope as she can kill a lot of foes and i could even kill the ultra-spider in the temple area with her help. While she was fencing the spider i just shot at him. The fight was still hard and i won, but it was still obvious developers wanted to make her super strong.
    The good parts here is 1) some great dialogue 2) she gets to distract mobs, while i shoot them
    Anyhow, it's still better than most of the stuff from recent times.

    And on top of it all, there's still some charm in this game. Can't explain. No other dev makes these kid of games, that's it.
     
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  24. ADULF HITLOR FAN KLUB Educated

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    Risen 2 is probably the best shit game I've ever played. A huge disappointment in comparison to Risen, but it is surprisingly enjoyable for being a trash RPG.

    Things I didn't like: The lame setting (pirates in the tropics lol). Encounters were also drastically nerfed, combat was dumbed down, the UI was consolized, etc.... I'm not sure what happened, but I'd put my money on publisher meddling.
     
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  25. adddeed Arcane Possibly Retarded

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    Its not a shit game.
    Its a better RPG than Witcher 3 or whatever other shit you like.
     
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