Why RPGCodex is censored at the ESF

[Blahblah Talks]

I've got a theory... Bethesda is God, right? And the Codex is so totally like the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and they're afraid if their Adams and Eves take a bite, shit will change.

Damned if that's not an ironic analogy coming from me.

-D4

To refine and expand, I think Bethesda is the Holy Spirit, Todd is God, and Pete is Jesus. The Codex is the Tree, which would make Vault Dweller the Serpent, an incarnation of St. Proverbius' Satan. The TES mods are the angel Gabriel, and the TES fanboys are televangelists, while the Codex regulars are the atheists and scientists trying to get gay marriage legalized (shock porn) and the Kyoto Treaty signed (choice and consequences).

 

[Drakron]

I was banned at TES because I typed "The Pirate's Bay" and was making a reference to the $2 official plugins were already in torrent sites.

I got it restored with a 25% warning because I decided to complain to ... well I got some EMail address and even if I was just complaining about the moderation being well heavy handed and did not expected to something be done about it, I got it restored.

And that given me a bit of insight of how things are being run in TES forums ... if by a simple EMail I had a ban decision overruled that means bannings are not being handled by the administration only and considering how being banned means I am UNABLE to view the forums (unless I clear my cookies) that means I pretty much cut from visit the tech support forums.

In short, its a "official" site being run as a "unofficial" site ...

 

[Vipera]

I've got a theory... Bethesda is God, right? And the Codex is so totally like the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and they're afraid if their Adams and Eves take a bite, shit will change.

Damned if that's not an ironic analogy coming from me.

-D4

To refine and expand, I think Bethesda is the Holy Spirit, Todd is God, and Pete is Jesus. The Codex is the Tree, which would make Vault Dweller the Serpent, an incarnation of St. Proverbius' Satan. The TES mods are the angel Gabriel, and the TES fanboys are televangelists, while the Codex regulars are the atheists and scientists trying to get gay marriage legalized (shock porn) and the Kyoto Treaty signed (choice and consequences).

That last part isn't a very good analogy. I'm Christian, am planning to major in a science field, and support gay marriage.

 

[Drakron]

And therefor will burn in hell (acording to some of you fellow christians).

 

[Vipera]

I don't presume to know who is or is not going to 'burn in hell'.

That's God's job. :D

 

[Blahblah Talks]

That last part isn't a very good analogy. I'm Christian, am planning to major in a science field, and support gay marriage.

Go back to TESF. Or at the very least, change your brown-nosing sig.

 

[dongle]

I got it restored with a 25% warning because I decided to complain to ... well I got some EMail address and even if I was just complaining about the moderation being well heavy handed and did not expected to something be done about it, I got it restored.

Weird. I could have sworn I've heard a moderator claim that banning is completely irreversible, and don't even ask, or even mention a banned member, because they can't be re-instated, ever.

That is a good point about the ESF being their main avenue for tech support. I wonder if there's another industry as discourteous towards paying customers?

 

[Ahzaruuk]

That is a good point about the ESF being their main avenue for tech support. I wonder if there's another industry as discourteous towards paying customers?

but it works both ways. There are some people who think you can be just an utter asshole, and they justify it because they are paying customers.

I 'm all for customer service, but I have seen quite a few people who abuse that service and get away with it.

 

[dongle]

but it works both ways.

No, not really.

I understand what you mean. I worked in retail for years and years. Some folks will come in and spew all over you just because they know you're in customer service and have to respond presently. Sure, they're dicks, and there is a point at which you simply can't help them. That point has to be pretty high for a company to have any sort of credibility though.

Blanket policies to ban customers from service because "we've had problems with that type" when they did something a simple as mention a word 99% of folks on the 'net know already. Stuff like trying to ban kids from the mall. Or Best Buy banning customers who return to many things, all within their stated return policy. That type of shit will come back and bite them in the ass one day. Leastwise I hope so.

 

[Hungry Donner]

that means bannings are not being handled by the administration only

All bans have to be approved by the admin. It's very rare for a ban to be over turned, but not unheard of.

It's going to happen more often with the instant ban offences, and included in this is discussing/requesting/advocating piracy.

Weird. I could have sworn I've heard a moderator claim that banning is completely irreversible, and don't even ask, or even mention a banned member, because they can't be re-instated, ever.

Bans are potentially reversible.

You're thinking about our policy on repeat offenders. If you're considered a repeat offender you will be banned on sight, and short of pulling Pete out of a burning car this is irreversible. (Or at the very least it's never been reversed)

That is a good point about the ESF being their main avenue for tech support. I wonder if there's another industry as discourteous towards paying customers?

You can still read the forums when you've been banned. As Drakron points out you just have to delete the cookie.

And even if someone doesn't think to do that they can access the hardware support on Bethesda's main page.

I've got a theory... Bethesda is God, right? And the Codex is so totally like the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and they're afraid if their Adams and Eves take a bite, shit will change.

Damned if that's not an ironic analogy coming from me.

-D4

To refine and expand,

I want to know who Job is

 

[Wild Slop]

Frankie?

 

[Admiral Rimjob POOBUM]

and short of pulling Pete out of a burning car this is irreversible. (Or at the very least it's never been reversed)

What route does Pete take to work in the morning?

EDIT: Can I be Mary?

 

[KreideBein]

<snip>

That still doesn't address the main point of contention, which is that any mention at all of the Codex will result in the offending post being deleted. For example, several times people have brought up the Codex and have claimed that the it consists entirely of trolls, and I've replied to these posts by saying that that claim commits the straw man fallacy. Both posts are always deleted. There have been other, different cases in which the same effect occurs, but that is the most common situation.

EDIT: Can I be Mary?

Going by Blahblah Talks' theory about the nature of Bethesda and the Codex, that would mean that you're Pete's mother. Congratulations.

 

[kris]

Can we block ESF members from registring here? (not a serious question of course)

Donner. What you seem to miss is that the ones posting links to this site over at the ES forums are mostly not long time members here. In fact most of them are long time members from the ES forums as for many of them recently joining this site. There are really a lot of ESF "dissenters" here now.

 

[Ahzaruuk]

<snip>

That still doesn't address the main point of contention, which is that any mention at all of the Codex will result in the offending post being deleted.

I beleive HD already said that the Moderators cannot answer that, not if you're expecting a good solid answer anyway. The people who WILL know is the Administrators.

 

[Admiral Rimjob POOBUM]

Going by Blahblah Talks' theory about the nature of Bethesda and the Codex, that would mean that you're Pete's mother. Congratulations.

He is my Wayward Son.

 

[Ahzaruuk]

Going by Blahblah Talks' theory about the nature of Bethesda and the Codex, that would mean that you're Pete's mother. Congratulations.

He is my Wayward Son.

Shame on you! How could you let your child grow out of control like this? For shame!

 

[Admiral Rimjob POOBUM]

Going by Blahblah Talks' theory about the nature of Bethesda and the Codex, that would mean that you're Pete's mother. Congratulations.

He is my Wayward Son.

Shame on you! How could you let your child grow out of control like this? For shame!

I brought him up on a strict diet of Roguelikes and Fallout. When he reached thirteen... I don't know what happened, but he just wouldn't listen to me any more. He asked me for an Xbox and listened to Green Day. Then, one time, I came home early and caught him playing Fifa.

 

[Blahblah Talks]

pulling Pete out of a burning car

Who in their right mind would do such a despicable thing to cRPG fans? :shock:

I want to know who Job is

Frankie

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

 

[Hungry Donner]

That still doesn't address the main point of contention, which is that any mention at all of the Codex will result in the offending post being deleted.

Well I can't really address that . . . except to say that yes, we will remove any discussion of the Codex; and yes, we know some people are upset about that.

I came here because a number of people have attacked the moderators when we've tried to explain why this restriction is in place. As I pointed out in my original post any explanation we give you is only partial, and in the past has been mostly speculation. If you want the official word the only people who can give it to you are the admin.

Donner. What you seem to miss is that the ones posting links to this site over at the ES forums are mostly not long time members here. In fact most of them are long time members from the ES forums as for many of them recently joining this site. There are really a lot of ESF "dissenters" here now.

I do understand that, and since many of these people came to the Codex because they were unhappy with Bethesda's moderators there's really nothing I can say to appease them. *shrug*

 

[OverrideB1]

Well I can't really address that . . . except to say that yes, we will remove any discussion of the Codex; and yes, we know some people are upset about that.

I came here because a number of people have attacked the moderators when we've tried to explain why this restriction is in place. As I pointed out in my original post any explanation we give you is only partial, and in the past has been mostly speculation. If you want the official word the only people who can give it to you are the admin.

And you've still managed to dodge the question -- why you don't have a full answer and why you won't give the full official answer publically. It's all very well saying "only the admins" can answer that question -- if you (the mods) are enacting policy on behalf of the administration, why are you being kept in the dark (if you are) or why are you not giving a full answer if you've been appraised of the official reason?

It seems incredible to me that a bunch of people can go around blithly delting posts without having a fucking clue as to why they're doing it.

 

[Nutcracker]

I think Vault Dweller probably knows the real reason, he has alluded to it before. I do know he PM'ed MrSmileyFaceDude around the time all the Oblivion devs stopped posting here. However the ban on mentioning the Codex at the ESF came later obviously, so i dont know exactly how the two are related. Perhaps Todd became more and more enraged as time went on?

 

[Khajjit Overlord Rainer]

If you're considered a repeat offender you will be banned on sight, and short of pulling Pete out of a burning car this is irreversible. (Or at the very least it's never been reversed)

Xaana: What if Rainer were to set Pete's car on fire before pulling him out?

Rainer: mmmm... pulling out...

Xaana: Shut the fuck up Rainer.

 

[Drakron]

I am sorry, I was not banned as in "banned" but "suspended" ... until 1955.

In essence I was banned because, short of a break in the flow of the time-continuum, I would never return to 1955. Now I remenber the reason I bitched in that E-Mail was because I viewed that as moderators that have the powers to suspend users to abuse a flaw in the suspension system to effective ban people since I simply cannot understand why would administrators would give the the ability to ban people to simple moderators.

The fact that I got my "suspension" terminated and recived a 25% warm ratio (in short, first warning) says a lot about the capacities of the TES forums moderation staff and how "in tune" they are with the administration staff.

 

[Ahzaruuk]

If you're considered a repeat offender you will be banned on sight, and short of pulling Pete out of a burning car this is irreversible. (Or at the very least it's never been reversed)

Xaana: What if Rainer were to set Pete's car on fire before pulling him out?

Rainer: mmmm... pulling out...

Xaana: Shut the fuck up Rainer.

That's enough from you! :evil: