Game News Wizardry-like Dungeon Crawler Elminage Gothic Released on Steam

[mondblut]

I wish some decades down the line the japs would eventually discover Crusaders of the Dark Savant and stop slavishly aping Proving Grounds game after game after game, only changing dungeon layout and adding more trailing zeroes to hitpoints and damage. But judging by their track record, that's outside the realm of possibility. Jap is not a learning animal.

 

[eric__s]

haha, I made six but now I'm thinking I only needed one of the seeds.

Haha, yep. I made two because I thought they'd be expendable, but it looks like they always work. Also, the strength of the items you combine determines the strength of the air seed. One of my air seeds lasted 9 minutes and the other was 6.

 

[ben_reck]

Jap is not a learning animal.

..b/c it has not chosen to imitate/refine what you would prefer it to? There's a purity of design element here that rules all.

AP of the transmutation corresponds to the length of the oxygen supply; mine's 14 minutes.

 

[mondblut]

Jap is not a learning animal.

..b/c it has not chosen to imitate/refine what you would prefer it to? There's a purity of design element here that rules all.

...on a national scale.

This is ridiculous really. I am the last person to jerk off at innovashun, but JRPG industry is an equivalent of a million of people endlessly repeating the same 2 games for 30 fucking years. Don't they, I don't know, get bored or something? Imagine if the whole corpus of western RPGs consisted entirely of carbon copies of Ultima 1 and Quest for glory.

Me, I've played my share of Wizardry 1 and 5, and see no point in revisiting them.

 

[SuicideBunny]

Imagine if the whole corpus of western RPGs consisted entirely of carbon copies of Quest for glory.

i could live with that, tbh.

 

[mondblut]

Imagine if the whole corpus of western RPGs consisted entirely of carbon copies of Quest for glory.

i could live with that, tbh.

Closet adventurefag infiltrating the ranks of RPG fandom to destroy it from within detected.

 

[SuicideBunny]

Closet adventurefag infiltrating the ranks of RPG fandom to destroy it from within detected.

closet pnpfag who got tired that computer rpgs are closer to strategy games than actual rpgs, you mean.

 

[TigerKnee]

I wish some decades down the line the japs would eventually discover Crusaders of the Dark Savant and stop slavishly aping Proving Grounds game after game after game.

Damn, thought I was the only one who felt that way.

The weird thing is that it's not like Japan didn't get localized versions of Wizardry 6 and 7, they got their own special versions with revised graphics even (though it kind of looks like shit in 2014)

 

[Jaesun]

What in the fuck? There was a Wiz 7 3D-ish game? But only for Japan?

 

[Clockwork Knight]

DISTRACTING ALETHEIDES IS DISTRACTING

"We made this 3d render and we're gonna fucking use it" = Mr. Suzukawa


Meanwhile, in the west...

"Western RPGs faced a sharp decline circa 1995, [...]"

There was this thought that maybe, like adventure games, RPGs were going to die out, too. [...] I wasn't the only developer that thought I'd coded myself into a corner.

 

[Blaine]

The dungeons are very maze-like and confusing

Sold.

Also:

 

[TheGreatOne]

This is ridiculous really. I am the last person to jerk off at innovashun, but JRPG industry is an equivalent of a million of people endlessly repeating the same 2 games for 30 fucking years. Don't they, I don't know, get bored or something? Imagine if the whole corpus of western RPGs consisted entirely of carbon copies of Ultima 1 and Quest for glory.

Demon pokémon gives a new twist to the old formula, though at the cost of party creation.

 

[Zetor]

My biggest problem with SMT games is how they force you to memorize eleventy billion fusion combinations in order to recreate your party every 1-2 hours... and also engage in a lot of tedious min-maxing with resistances and elemental attacks if you want your group to be effective.

e: though the ones I played don't need the player to grind at all, which is a plus. FUCK the design of the mem aleph fight, though.

 

[TheGreatOne]

Devil Survivor 2 has a demon list/book that shows you all the different combinations that can create the demon in question. It also lets you choose what skills to inherit in fusion with out fighting with RNG. And it's grid based&harder But no dungeon crawling and the character art is ugly (different artist=looks like a budget title, which it is). Maybe SMT X FE will look better and hopefully add new things to the combat system.

 

[HobGoblin42]

I really love the Wizardry series (until part 8), but even a little nuance of anime ruins any game as it did when the filthy japanese acquired this glorious franchise from sir-tech.

Also, I wholeheartedly hate anime so much that I can't find proper words how to express my disgust.

 

[DefJam101]

How do the original Wizardries compare to this game? Are they more or less grindy? I've only played VI-VIII.

I really love the Wizardry series (until part 8)

 

[Grunker]

I really love the Wizardry series (until part 8)

 

[Jaesun]

Also, I wholeheartedly hate anime so much that I can't find proper words how to express my disgust.

I am pretty much the same way. Regular "anime" jRPG art makes me RAGE. However some jRPG's follow into 2 camps:

1. RAGE INDUCING Anime art.
2. Anime art that is not over the top and is OK.

This game falls under the #2 category.

The absolutely fucking stupid older Wizardy level up system this uses is by far the biggest problem with the game.

Not the Art.

 

[ben_reck]

Me, I've played my share of Wizardry 1 and 5, and see no point in revisiting them.

It's been a few decades for me but I guess that's the not point. I think it's a question of appetite. There are certain dishes I will always eat (veal parm/sushi/Old Sichuan chicken). I don't tire of them; I don't require innovation or fusion. I want what I want like an apple or buttered bread or my wife on a Tuesday afternoon.

I want my barebones party vs dungeon crpg. Can't stand DragonAge or ElderScrolls.

Of course, I tend not to read the same stories or even play the same board games unless they offer some measure of variety.

There might be some cultural issues regarding tradition/ritual at play here as well.

I guess I'm a bit of a nippophile, too.

 

[Lady_Error]

I think that the art in this game - especially the enemies - is excellent. The character system is also very good - since it is almost a carbon copy of Wizardry.

While the level up system is not the best, I think the biggest problem with this game is the almost complete lack of anything to do besides fighting. Puzzles? Meaningful NPC interaction? I'm not even asking for C&C, though that would be even better.

 

[ben_reck]

Multiple air seeds increase the duration of the air pocket to a possible max of 16 minutes (1+15).

The mood/atmosphere/ambience is also excellent -- as is the music.

 

[ben_reck]

from a certain angle and in a certain light, one might label the Skunk Girls as being just a shade or two Anime. Their posture and expression says one thing but given that they're asking for it, that wouldn't be it.

And what do they do during combat? They put themselves to sleep, inviting multiple forms of _____ . That's novel.

 

[Shannow]

DRM-free or bust

Just bought it on sale on GoG. So it's available DRM free.